Street Fighter V Xbox One release jealousy with PS4 exclusive

By Alan Ng - Dec 5, 2014

We have some breaking news to bring you now, as it looks like Sony’s surprise at the PlayStation Experience or Game Awards has been rumbled. Believe us or not, but Street Fighter V has just been revealed as a PS4 console exclusive.

In other words, a Street Fighter 5 Xbox One release date may not be happening if you can imagine that. We’ve just seen a leaked trailer and featured at the very end of the trailer is PS4 and PC only – no mention of any Xbox platforms whatsoever.

If true, that is a monumental announcement and a massive coup for Sony. At the same time, there is going to be uproar from Xbox 360 and Xbox One owners once this is confirmed as fact later this week.

street-fighter-5-not-on-xbox-one

We did raise an eyebrow when we heard that Capcom’s Yoshinori Ono would be attending PlayStation Experience in Las Vegas, and now we know why.

We’ve included the Street Figher V leaked trailer below, but you better watch it quick as it is bound to be removed as soon as Capcom finds out.

Just take that in for a second, Street Fighter V as a console exclusive on the PS4. How did Sony manage to pull it off? Xbox One owners, give us your reaction to this.

Follow us on Facebook, Twitter or Google Plus.

Also See: Street Fighter 5 Revenge meter, Ultra, EX Combo analysis

street-fighter-v-ps4-exclusive

  • Gilbert Nicks

    Well even if its timed or permanent… I feel cap on hurt the brand when they released how many versions of 4??? Timed or not ill have to wait to see if they pull the same crap they did with 4 and mvc3…. now is this a smart move by Sony sure… Should xb ppl be allowed to grip. Yes.. Why. Cause soo many ps4 ppl were butt hurt over tomb raider.(was that ever confirmed as timed?). But yea.. Smart move on cutting out at least 20% of your sales but sony I’m sure made up for that loss… Am I upset as a xb1 owner… Nope… is my response due to ki… Hell no… I just saw this shift coming… Most 2d fighters have left Xbox to become Sony only titles… Is this going to make me buy a ps4… Probably not… Will I ever buy one… Sure I’m a big collector of consoles… But for a while now I just never liked sonys attitude in the game industry to the point I never bought a PS on release… And before someone screams MS fb. I didnt get a Xbox till after 360 came out… And didnt get a 360 till after cod mw came out… i really hope Sony picks up the pace on exclusive titles and finds a few that will make my console purchase worth my while… But here is the cold hard facts… Unless you are hard core into indie…. Ps4 has very few exclusives vs wiiu and xb1…. And sadly both console are only getting more… Sony needs to pick up the pace again.. And before someone talks about the current sales lead…. Just because you got out the gate with a good lead doesn’t promise you the finish… There is at least 7+ years on the xb1 and ps4. Lots of time for it to shift… And with Sony as a whole bleeding out of money. They can’t afford to slip… Fingers crossed they don’t go under… I may dislike PS but still need the healthy competition. All 3 need each other… have a great holiday everyone and hope you all enjoyed the vgas

  • Aiberius

    X1 player, I hate this idea with a passion due to the fact that most FG player are on Xbox. I don’t hate Sony as I care less for the PS4, but it’s a very dumb move for capcom doing this. Then again, capcom mostly care for their crowd in Japan. Fighting games are much better on Xbox for the netplay and always have been. “Oh but you guys have Killer Instinct as a exclusive” yea because it’s a Rare brand (some will deny this but it is). We got KI for X1, PS4 has Xrd, Skullgirls, P4A and Injustice(mehh). We’re both getting DOA and MKX in 2015 and we both have………..Divekick…….yea.We BARELY have Fighting games now. Either way it bad move for Capcom doing this when we already had the fightsticks ready first on X1 as PS4 is literally caught up with them for those games. But oh well, most likely a timed exclusive anyway.

    • John Doe

      Fighter games have allways sold better on PlayStation. PlayStation is home to the most fighter tournament players. The dualshock controllers have allways been more favored for fighter games. FACTS not opinions.

      You said, “most FG players are on Xbox”

      Haha, You’re so mad about this, it has made you delusional XD

      • The Glorious PC Master Race

        Which is why most tournament players like PRBalrog have been calling for the scene to switch to PC right?

        LOL you are one deluded shill, Derp.

  • TJ SupaHype Rogers

    oooh.. Dag… kinda wanted to play this… but guess I will miss this one… ill work it out on Mortal Kombat instead.

    • John Doe

      Or you could buy a PS4 like most intelligent people do, instead of being a Microsoft or Nintendo slave.

      • The Glorious PC Master Race

        Intelligent people buy a gaming PC instead of a Failurestation 4, shill.

        PC will get the ultimate version of Street Fighter V. PoS4 will get some silky smooth 30FPS 900P version.

        • Josh101

          You STILL haven’t changed your name? I’m very surprised. No one gives a sh** about your PC. They NEVER will. Especially the DRM filled, no used games policies inherent in PC gaming. You will never learn.

        • The Glorious PC Master Race

          Enjoying your silky smooth 30FPS Uncharted downgrade, shill?

        • Josh101

          Hell yes I’m enjoying sharing games as well. Borrowing them, buying them used. Even trading them. :) I’m also enjoying Shareplaying my games as well where I don’t even have to leave the couch 😀 You still enjoy getting shoddy ass ports of crappy 3rd party games? ^_^

        • The Glorious PC Master Race

          The ports will always be better and I am sharing my steam games with friends.

          Stay salty, console peasant. Get your defense of 900P ready as well because the Failurestation is heading for that target quickly.

        • Josh101

          Oh man, that’s going to be really tough on my psyche. Stop kidding yourself, PC gets nothing but shoddy ports that don’t work as intended for months. You also can only by digital unlock keys and never own your games. I do, fu*k off with the fine print. It has never stopped me from selling, trading, borrowing or bartering. You enjoy being a dumba*s. Your life must be completely miserable. Once again, no one will EVER care about your PC other than yourself. This is a fact. You will NEVER convert someone to buy a PC on a console thread. You are a true dumbfu*k. A waist of oxygen and welfare checks.

        • The Glorious PC Master Race

          Stay mad, console shill. You will never, ever get past 30FPS :^)

        • Josh101

          Really? Killzone Shadowfall says hello. That’s just one example. Proof enough that you are a idiot. Which is beside the larger point. No one will EVER care about you. No one cares that you can purchase parts, read instructions and follow them. I’ve said this plenty of times to you, but you are to thick-headed for it to sink in. You are pathetic…

  • LOL. Not a miss for me. Got too many great games to catch up on as it is on Xbox. Now if it was fallout 4 I would have cried.

    • John Doe

      So many great games? Hahaha….. yeah… suuuuure rofl

      • All it takes is a walk through the gaming section to see that. By the way. You seem like an idiot to laugh at the truth.

  • Charles – The Great and Powerf

    Did the PS Bore get less boring? I don’t think so.

  • coip

    Doesn’t matter. Killer Instinct is better, is already out, and is an Xbox One exclusive.

    • NgTurbo

      Killer Instinct or Street Fighter.. now there’s a debate we haven’t seen solved! I love them both.. this is a bold move by Capcom indeed.

      • Bramstons

        I don’t care about fighting games and have both consoles anyway but it seems very odd when Microsoft do this there is media outrage and how money hatting etc is so bad
        BUT as we see in all the media when Sony do this EXACT same thing they say NOTHING, so they are a bunch of Hypocrites.

        But this also now puts MS in a good position as this has verified that it’s actually all fine and dandy to do so I have no doubt MS will now go for a very big title and I fully support it now.

    • John Doe

      Xbox One has no exclusives. 2015 is looking like another dry year for Xbox One

      • coip

        You’re drunk. The Xbox One had more AAA exclusives than PS4 in 2013, had more in 2014, and is slated to have more in 2015 too. It’s a rout. Sony is not even close.

        • Josh101

          Money-hatted AAA exclusives is more like it. 95% of Microsofts exclusive lineup is paid for. At least Sony and Nintendo would have enough 1st party games to fill the void if 3rd party disappeared. Would NOT be the same for Microsoft. Get your head outta ur ass heh.

        • coip

          You clearly don’t understand how game development works. All of Sony’s and Nintendo’s exclusives are “paid for” as well. The developers making those games are not volunteers. That Nintendo and Sony are decades behind organizational theory and aren’t aware that decentralization has usurped vertical integration as the most economical organizational strategy is not praiseworthy. It’s laughable.

        • Josh101

          No I understand fully. I understand that Sony and Nintendo have their own studios to make games for them. Those same studios would still pump out quality exclusives if 3rd party AAA publishers abandoned them. Sony and to a lesser extent Nintendo have an abundance of 1st party IP and the studios to make them. Microsoft does not. They rely fully on 3rd party publishers to fill their exclusive lineups. Of course Sony “pays for” their studios, that was an idiotic statement. Your last sentence is quite problematic, considering that EVERY company is out to make money, that’s the common goal. Microsoft is “ahead” of Sony in milking their customers for sure. I won’t argue that. Also, Microsoft has “usurped vertical integration” as well, with the recent acquisition of Minecraft for example. Also Skype and Azure. I could really go on. So that’s a null point. One I believed made in a vein attempt to use big words in a sentence. But I digress.. Sony, with partners, have revolutionized many tech standards we have today. But that’s another discussion altogether. Not something Microsoft can actually say, since they have a monopolistic strangle on many ventures they money-hatted.

        • coip

          Microsoft also has an abundance of IP. In fact, their IP cover a much broader array of genres than Sony’s or Nintendo’s. Microsoft also has just as many vertically integrated, 1st-party studios as them. And then Microsoft crushes them in 2nd-party development, where they (smartly, to you organizational theorists out there) outsource others to work on their IP. Then, they also publish IP from major third-party studios so as to complement their 1st- and 2nd- party lineups with even more exclusives.

          Yes, I will kindly explain it to you. Decentralization has usurped vertical organization because it leads to greater efficiency, increased flexibility, and lower costs. So, Microsoft can do more while spending less and not be bogged down with overhead. It’s one of the reasons why Sony posts annual losses in the billions of dollars while Microsoft’s annual revenue approaches 90 billion.

        • Josh101

          “Microsoft also has an abundance of IP. In fact, their IP cover a much broader array of genres than Sony’s or Nintendo’s.”
          Heh, that is a definite fabrication. Sony has a MUCH wider range of titles than Microsoft does. That’s a fact. Please would you be so kind to name them? Not the ones they money-hatted from 3rd party developers. They are pathetic. They don’t care about making games, it’s a pet project to Microsoft. You think Rare wanted to make Kinect games? No, they didn’t.

          Microsoft posts profits of billions because they milk their customers. On Xbox360 for example, charging to use EVERYTHING including the web browser with XboxLive Gold being needed. If that’s how American companies want to do it, I’m more than happy to go with a Japanese company who doesn’t. One who is behind the times and offers online for free while the competition charges for it. The PS3 and Vita are still free to play online. Also, giving games with the subscription across 3 separate systems every month I’m sure is VERY costly. Also Sony does have many other departments. Sony puts out great movies and is a heavy hand in hardware.

          Microsoft does nothing but buy up tech instead of creating it. THAT’S what is laughable. I don’t see Microsoft creating new formats like DVD and Bluray. I don’t see Microsoft making great movies. Linux is better than Windows. The only reason why Windows is on the majority of computers by default, is due to the monopoly Microsoft created. Pffft. This is not to mention all of the anti-consumer shi* that MS has pulled over DECADES.

        • coip

          Microsoft Studios has a much broader swath of games. Sony only excels at one thing: 3D Action/Adventure games. Microsoft is better at just about everything else.

          Here is my take on their IPs by genre (note, some instance of [no entry] may be incorrect, in which case, please feel free to reply back with whatever IP Sony owns that falls in that genre):
          Fighting: Killer Instinct vs. (no entry)
          Racing: Forza Motorsport + Forza Horizon + Project Gotham > Gran Turismo + DriveClub
          FPS: Halo + Perfect Dark > Killzone
          3rd-Person Shooter: Gears of War + Crackdown > (no entry)
          Motion-controlled: Kinect (Kinect Sports, Kinect Party, Xbox Fitness, etc.) > PS camera
          RTS: Halo Wars + Rise of Nations + Age of Empires > (no entry)
          Creation games: Minecraft + Project Spark > LBP
          Simulation: Zoo Tycoon + Kinectimals + Viva Pinata + Black & White > (no entry)
          Platformers: Max: The Curse of Brotherhood + +Ori and the Blind Forest + Kalimba + Banjo-Kazooie > (no entry)
          Card: Scrolls > (no entry)
          RPG: Fable + Blue Dragon > (no entry)
          3D Action Adventure: (no entry) < infamous + Uncharted + God of War + The Last of Us.

          As I see it, Microsoft Studios trounces Sony in all genres but one–one in which Sony excels. That said, Microsoft has done a decent job of trying to fill that gap with 2nd-party games like Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, and Rise of the Tomb Raider, so given that they have adequate alternatives in that genre plus superior alternatives in most other genres, I see Microsoft Studios as significantly stronger and more versatile than Sony's 1st-Party offerings.

          The rest of your post was biased nonsense, so misinformed that I won't even bother with it. Microsoft innovates more in a year than what Sony innovates in a decade.

        • Josh101

          You’ve got to be kidding me. So you ignore over half of Sony’s offerings. Not to mention you included money-hatted exclusives in your post. Which is the point I’m making. Sony 1st party games off the top of my head: Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone, Little big planet, Disgaea, Demons souls, Toukiden, Freedom Wars, God of war, Gran Turismo, Mag, MLB The Show, Motorstorm, Sly Cooper, Ratchet n Clank, Socom, SingStar, The Last of us, Twisted Metal Warhawk, Yakuza, Wipeout, Jak n Daxter, Playstation All Stars. One’s you can Google, The Unfinished Swan, PixelJunk 4am/Eden/Racers, Puppeteer, Wonderbook, Sports Champions, Warrior’s Lair, White Knight Chronicles and more. Sony has more JRPG’s than every console manufacturer combined, save for PC indie’s. Just because you prefer Microsoft exclusives doesn’t make them better. Also doesn’t mean that Sony’s 1st party games don’t exist. A simple Google search would have told you this..Sony has a swath of games that are above and beyond what Microsoft has. Including ALL of the money-hatted games..

        • coip

          I include IP that Microsoft owns. That’s all that matters. Sony doesn’t own all of those IP that you listed. Try again. Only include IP they own, and then fit them into the list of genres that I laid out (or any other genres you want. You’ll see that Microsoft Studios has a much broader array of IP, covering more genres, whereas Sony is myopically focused on 3D Action/Adventure games.

          Only ignoramuses use Google.

        • Josh101

          No its not all that matters. MS moneyhatted just about EVERY exclusive you named which is pathetic. Sony grows their own franchises. I don’t need to categorize and Sony does own all the IP I named except Yakuza and Disgaea. Sony has over 130 owned seriesgames. I didn’t even mention Driveclub, Bloodborne, The Order 1886, Deep Down, Planetside 2, Everquest and a ton more. You should troll harder. Xbox is MS pet project they throw money at. PlayStation is run by gamers. Xbox is run by suits.

        • coip

          Sony purchased all of their first-party development teams too, so your insistence that Microsoft “moneyhatted” their IP (as if matters how they acquire it, the point is that they own it) and Sony didn’t is pure nonsense.

          You shouldn’t mention DriveClub. It’s still broken after two months and is a disgrace to gaming.

          Again, insert those Sony-owned IP into the ‘genre chart’ and reaffirm that Microsoft’s IP is stronger than Sony’s IP in more genres than it isn’t.

          I’m an ignoramus? An ignoramus is someone who claims that “Xbox is run by suits” and then naively praises Sony as if it also isn’t a giant corporation (one that is bleeding money instead of raking it in, so maybe it’s run by monkeys instead of ‘suits’, but that’s a different issue).

          No, you suggested Google because you don’t know any better. Ignorance is a dangerous flaw.

        • Josh101

          “Again, insert those Sony-owned IP into the ‘genre chart’ and reaffirm that Microsoft’s IP is stronger than Sony’s IP in more genres than it isn’t.”

          PLATFORMING/CREATION: Sony: (ModNation Racers, Sound Shapes, Little big planet, The Tomorrow Children, Sly Cooper, Tearaway, Ratchet n Clank, Jak and Daxter, Murasaki baby, Knack and Escape Plan)….. Microsoft: (Kalimba, Banjo-Kazooie, Ori and the Blind Forest, Max:COTB and Minecraft, Project Spark.)

          ACTION ADVENTURE: (The Last Guardian, Uncharted, Infamous, Gravity Rush. Microsoft: None.)

          3RD PERSON SHOOTER/HORROR Sony (The Last of Us, Unit 13, Socom, The Getaway.) Microsoft: (Gears of wars.)

          FPS: Sony: (Killzone, Resistance.) Microsoft: (Halo and Perfect Dark.)

          HACK N SLASH: Sony: (God of War.) Microsoft: (None.)

          ACTIONRPG/RPG: Sony: (Deep Down, Bloodborne, Freedom Wars, Soul Sacrifice, Demons Souls, The Legend of Dragoon, The Legend of Legaia and MANY MORE.) Microsoft: (Fable and Blue Dragon.)

          BRAWLER: Sony: (Playstation All Stars Battle Royale.) Microsoft: (None) (They haven’t purchased enough mascots to release one. :)

          RACING/DEATHRACER: Sony: (Motorstorm, Wipeout, Jet Moto, Gran Turismo, Driveclub and Twisted Metal.) Microsoft: (Forza, PGR and Forza Horizons.)

          SIMULATION: Sony (Invizimals, Eye Pet, PlayRoom.)

          SPORTS: Sony: (MLB: The Show.) Microsoft: (None.)

          Educational/StoryTelling: Sony (Wonderbook: Book of spells, Puppeteer.)
          Microsoft: (None.)

          MMO: Sony: (Everquest, Planetside 2, Mag.) Microsoft: (None.)

          I could go on, but I choose not to. I’m not going make my point any clearer to an idiot. That’s all from the top of my head. I’d like to point out that ALL of those games were created in-house either by SCE or co-developed.

          “Sony purchased all of their first-party development teams too, so your insistence that Microsoft “moneyhatted” their IP (as if matters how they acquire it, the point is that they own it) and Sony didn’t is pure nonsense.”

          Apparently you don’t get it. Microsoft simply buys most franchises that are popular. Sony has had most of their 1st party studios for over 20 years. Most of their developers are shuffled into new teams and have been with Sony their entire career. Microsoft simply buys what’s popular, they do NOT make their own games because they lack creative skill and imagination. You are saying “Microsoft is better because they own Minecraft.” Which they didn’t create. They didn’t foster the talent and make that game. They are going to profit off the success of yet ANOTHER game that they bought out. Pathetic. You are pathetic.

          “You shouldn’t mention DriveClub. It’s still broken after two months and is a disgrace to gaming.”

          Apparently you haven’t played Driveclub or own it, because it’s been working fine for the past month. They released all of the weather effects in a patch released just the other day. It’s magnificent. There are videos you can watch. It absolutely crushes Forza as well as horizons. Battlefield 4 had MANY MORE issues for over 6 months. Driveclub is a blip in comparison.

          “I’m an ignoramus? An ignoramus is someone who claims that “Xbox is run by suits”

          No a ignoramus is you incarnate. Defending a company like Microsoft who buys up talent instead of fostering their own. They aren’t run by suits? Um, no used games DRM, always online, charging for everything including the web-browser for nearly a decade, always connected always on Kinect with known involvement in the PRISM scandal, #dealwithit and a whole swath of anti-consumer tactics. They didn’t change face until they saw pre-order numbers and panicked. What has Sony done? Rootkit scandal, OtherOs removal and was hacked in 2011. They also, with partners, created and standardized generations of consumer electronics. They don’t simply buy tech, they are creators.

        • coip

          Many of the games you listed as being owned by Sony are not owned by Sony, nor were they listed in the right genre. Try again. And if you do, make it correct. I don’t have time to waste on kids who don’t know how to curate lists.

        • Josh101

          Yes they are owned by Sony and are in accurate lists. Name which games aren’t owned by Sony. The ones I listed were all owned by Sony.

        • coip

          No, they’re not all owned by Sony. The list is rife with IP owned by non-Sony entities. Stop wasting my time, boasting how you’ve done your research, and fact checked, and then trying to pass off numerous franchises that Sony doesn’t own as Sony’s IP. Here are a few I tallied up in 13 seconds before stopping out of the boredom that is rifling through your mistakes: Ridge Racer, Ni no Kuni, Valkyria Chronicles, Hyperdimension Neptunia, Tales of Xillia, etc.

          If you want to have a debate, present accurate facts. If you want to tell lies, go buy a parakeet and stop wasting my time.

        • Josh101

          No those were basically all of the ones that aren’t Sony owned. Those were published by Sony apparently so were exclusives. You can look up Sony computer entertainment owned IP and the same for Microsoft and it is obvious which has more IP. Most of my list was accurate. Which you ran from the larger point as well. Microsoft pathetically moneyhats all of their exclusives, they have little in-house 1st party IP, actually to think of it they haven’t made hardly any of their own IP, again pathetic. They buy what’s popular instead of making their own franchises. There is like a 5% error in my post. I could see if I named like 50% that is non-sony owned. Tht is not the case.

        • coip

          “But we both know that my list is accurate. I fact checked EVERY IP that I named off and they are ALL Sony owned IP. I even fact checked the Microsoft IPs to search for more exclusives to add to the list.”

          Remember when you said that? It’s a lie, it’s dishonest, and it’s a waste of my time. It doesn’t matter what percentage of your list is accurate. What matters is that it’s not accurate. Not only did you include numerous IP that aren’t owned by Sony, you also omitted numerous IP owned by Microsoft. You then dishonestly spun off niche genres to make Sony’s portfolio appear broader, and you collapsed other genres to hide their deficiencies. I don’t debate with dishonest folk, and the way you’ve tried to spin things and downright lie about things, is evidence you are not worth my time.

          There is nothing “pathetic” about purchasing IP, buying studios, funding development of an exclusive and allowing the developer to retain their own IP rights, etc. That’s good business practice, backed up by decades of organizational theory. If you want to think that Sony is somehow “morally superior” (no such thing in business) because they moneyhatted their IP, bought out their studios, etc. a few years before Microsoft did (never mind that Sony has been in the game a lot longer and should have done those things sooner), then you’re just a hopeless fanboy. Take the blinders off. While Microsoft works with developers and funds their games while letting them retain IP rights, Sony has long been strongarming other developers into signing over their IP.

          Your next egregious flaw is that you value quantity over quantity. Just because Sony has 4 IP in a genre you fabricated and Microsoft only has 2, does not mean that “Sony wins”. If Microsoft’s IP are better, then Microsoft wins. And they do, more often than they don’t, in more genres. It’s a rout.

        • Josh101

          Bullspit. Sony wins in racers, 3rd person adventure, action rpg, hac n slash, rpgs, mmos, sports, 3rd person shooters andplace in genres that Microsoft doesn’t evenhave a competing game. I collapsed them because Microsoft doesn’t have anything to compete with Twisted metal jet moto and motorstorm. I could create a subcategory, but it would only show Sony being more diverse. I could separate creation and platforming, Sony would still win. Just because there was a small margin of error doesn’t change the overall fact Sony wins in more categories, by far. Yes, Microsoft successfully bought their way into console gaming and buys their way to exclusivity. Sony co-develops alt of their games while Microsoft buys franchises like Tomb Raider because they are too lazy to do the grunt work. Sony funds alot games as well. They get the rights to games like Sound Shapes by funding development and co-developing, then giving it to their customers for one price to Vita PS4 and PS3 through crossbuy. Something Microsoft does not do.

          Hell yes I am a Sony fanboy. Crossbuy is one out of many good reasons. PS+ across 3 systems is another. Sony didn’t lock everything behind a paywall ala xboxlive for nearly a decade. Sony didn’t try to destroy our right to the first sale doctrine like Microsoft. They didn’t try to force a always connected camera with their console like Microsoft who was caught red-handed feeding Skype calls through the PRISM debacle. Sony spends alot of their money creating consumer electronics like dvd and bluray tech, with partners. Making movies. Making cameras. Releasing music from a variety of artists. While supporting over 10 development teams and fostering small indie developers like Futurlab. While Microsoft lets other studios be creative and waves a wad of cash to buy exclusivity. There is no defending them, but here you are. You are pathetic. Sony destroys Microsoft in absolutely every imaginable way except financial reports. Because Sony creates while Microsoft buys other peoples creations and milks their success. Don Mattrick sends his condolences.

        • coip

          Sony wins in racers? No, not even close. Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon are the best racing games on the market. You’re lost.

          Sony wins in creation/platforming? No. Minecraft alone trumps everything Sony has. Throw in Project Spark and it’s a rout.

          “Sony co-develops alt of their games while Microsoft buys franchises”

          Do I really need to point out the ironic cluelessness of this comment being posted on an article where Sony bought Street Fighter V exclusivity? Really? Let me explain reality to you: Sony is a corporation, not an artist in a bunkhouse. Everything they own is because they bought it. When they bought it is irrelevant. They bought it. The things those bought things create after they’re bought, they’re still bought.

          “Sony wins in more categories.”
          Nope. They win in 3rd-person action and adventure games and RPGs. That’s it. Microsoft has better FPS, better racing, better fighting, better RTS, better creation, better simulation, better platformer, better puzzle games, better sports games, better party games, and better motion-controlled games.

          “While Microsoft lets other studios be creative and waves a wad of cash to buy exclusivity. There is no defending them, but here you are”

          I understand that no everyone has a PhD in Organizatinal Theory, but let me clue you in on something: Microsoft’s business strategies are the accepted route among business scholars to day. This is why Microsoft pulls in $90 billion in revenue every year and Sony loses billions. Now there is something there is no defending, but here you are.

        • Josh101

          “Sony wins in racers? No, not even close. Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon are the best racing games on the market. You’re lost.”

          No, you don’t get to change the goal posts. It is YOUR subjective opinion that Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon are better. You said that Microsoft had a more diverse line-up. I’ve already proven that to be false. ESPECIALLY in the car and racing genre. Wipeout/Gran Turismo/Driveclub/Twisted Metal >

          “Sony wins in creation/platforming? No. Minecraft alone trumps everything Sony has. Throw in Project Spark and it’s a rout.”

          No, again we were speaking of the diversity that Sony has compared to Microsoft. Microsoft still loses. Again, your subjective opinion on Minecraft being better is again, subjective. Microsoft still purchased something when it was popular, ala Minecraft. Sony is more diverse and has already won that argument.

          “Let me explain reality to you: Sony is a corporation, not an artist in a bunkhouse. Everything they own is because they bought it. When they bought it is irrelevant. They bought it. The things those bought things create after they’re bought, they’re still bought.”

          When Sony purchased Naughty Dog, they weren’t the Naughty Dog as we know them today. Sony fostered them into what they are. Corrine Yu is the newest member of this team. Sony grew and diversified that talent. They don’t simply purchase what is popular at the time, it MADE them popular.. So, yes, it does matter when they bought it. Sony is a artist bunkhouse. Music artists send THEIR demo’s to Sony. Movies, games and music are pitched to Sony. Sony offers to buy their company, while they are SMALL. Not while they are proven successful. Sony gives small unknown games like Sound Shapes, the chance to be made and helps develop them. While Microsoft buys what is already popular.

          “Microsoft Studios is also a lot more developer-friendly, as they publish third-party games by fully funding development but while allowing the developers to retain IP rights”

          Is that why Microsoft made it damn-near impossible for Indie developers to self-publish on their system? While Sony has been allowing it. They have also been courting developers for YEARS. Need I point out the irony considering that Sony is co-developing Street Fighter 5 while fully funding development and allowing them to keep their IP? Microsoft is not more developer-friendly. There are plenty of articles on how Microsoft is “Turning it around.” Not to mention Microsoft doesn’t allow cross-platform play because they want 3rd party developers to use their Azure network. That’s one of the reasons SF5 is going to be exclusive to PC and PS4.

          “Their organizational strategy is more efficient and flexible. Sony’s is outdated. This is why Microsoft pulls in $90 billion in revenue every year and Sony loses billions. Now there is something there is no defending, but here you are.”
          No that is not the reason they are raking in $90 billion a year. It’s because they are milking all of their customers. They locked EVERYTHING behind the paywall on Xbox360, INCLUDING THE F*N WEB BROWSER. For nearly a decade. While Sony locked NOTHING behind a paywall. Sony also POURS money into R&D for consumer electronics. They helped create almost every format that is standard today. They poured billions into the creation of Blu-ray. They pour money into making movies and music. They are pouring tons of money into Project Morpheus VR. They are pouring money into creating PS NOW and spent 100’s of millions of the Gaikai network. Which are running of servers THEY created with PS3 components. They spend money allowing PS+ across 3 separate systems. I’ve gotten over $3,000 worth of games over the past 3 years with the PS+ subscription. Microsoft buys their way in. Sony CREATES. That’s why they don’t post profits. They spend all their money creating consumer technology and entertainment. While Microsoft simply buys what’s popular.
          Though, here you are. Defending Microsoft’s completely anti-competitive nature. While completely gleaning over the fact that Microsoft tried pushing a always online box that had a camera attached that HAD to be plugged in with known involvement in the PRISM scandal.

        • coip

          “No, you don’t get to change the goal posts.”

          I didn’t change the goal posts. Microsoft has a more broader array of IP that covers more genres. Just because you lumped together a bunch of racing like games into the racing game genre doesn’t mean jack squat because 1. that has nothing to do with diversity (that’s the opposite of diversity, actually), and 2. quality trumps quantity, every time. Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon are better than all of Sony’s crappy racing games combined. Minecraft and Project Spark are better than all of Sony’s crappy creation games combined. Halo and Perfect Dark are better than all of Sony’s crappy FPS games combined. I could go on, but you wouldn’t get the point anyway.

          “No, again we were speaking of the diversity that Sony has compared to Microsoft.”

          We were speaking of diversity across genres, not within genres. Having 8 middling IP crammed into a genre you fabricated vs. 2 (much, much better) IP in that same genre? The victor is the latter.

          “Nope, all subjective and Sony is more diverse in every one of those categories.”

          Again, you don’t understand what we’re talking about. Diversity involves variety (i.e. across genres, not within genres). Furthermore, really? Sony is more “diverse in every one of those categories”? Reall? Show me all of Sony’s RTS IP that stack up against Halo Wars, Age of Empires, Age of Mythology, Rise of Nations, Rise of Legends, etc. I can’t wait to see you try to lie your way out of this logic trap. You spew out so many blatant canards that by the time we finish this you’ll somehow be convinced that Sony invented the video game industry.

          “Sony fostered them into what they are”
          Oh for the love of god, can you be any more obseqious? You think Sony (a corporation) “grew” the talent at Naughty Dog? Can’t wait to read the rest of your fawning hagiography.

          “Is that why Microsoft amde it damn-near impossible for indi develoeprs to self-publish?”
          The naivete in you is strong. Microsfot invented indie self-publishing with XBLIG.

          “Sony is co-developing Street Figther 5 while fully funding development”
          As does Microsoft Studios with all the games it publishes. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

          “…Microsoft tried pushing…PRISM scandal”
          Fantastic! You’ve done it! You’ve jumped the shark and unabashedly admitted that you’re a moronic conspiracy theorist. What a joke. You should probably take the blinders off and direct your conspiracy theories towards Sony, who has been egregiously hacked more often than a sack at recess on a junior high school playground in the 90s.

        • Josh101

          You have seriously got to be kidding me. Dude, you are worthless. Also a extreme idiot.

          ” I didn’t change the goal posts. Microsoft has a more broader array of IP that covers more genres. Just because you lumped together a bunch of racing like games into the racing game genre doesn’t mean jack squat because 1. that has nothing to do with diversity (that’s the opposite of diversity, actually), and 2. quality trumps quantity, every time.”

          Ok, let me spell this out for you. I will do what you are proposing with racing
          alone.

          RACING: Sony: (Driveclub, Gran Turismo.) Microsoft: (PGR, Forza and Forza Horizons.)

          FUTURISTIC RACING: Sony: (Wipeout, Jet Moto) Microsoft: (None)

          DESTRUCTION RACER: Sony: (Motorstorm, Twisted Metal.) Microsoft:
          (None.)

          Sony is obviously more diverse. THAT’S WHY I LUMPED THEM TOGETHER. Idiot. Proves my point.

          “Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon are better than all of Sony’s crappy” *snip

          All YOUR subjective opinion.

          “Show me all of Sony’s RTS IP that stack up against Halo Wars, Age of Empires, Age of Mythology, Rise of Nations, Rise of Legends, etc. I can’t wait to see you try to lie your way out of this logic trap”

          So you found one genre where Microsoft has a lead, as far as I know. Again purchased by Microsoft to call their own, not created. Bravo. I won’t bother looking into it, because I have done enough. They are still trumped in every genre that matters. Including racing, 3rd person shooters, platforming, creation, action adventure and just about every other genre. With games they didn’t money-hat.

          “The naivete in you is strong. Microsfot invented indie self-publishing with XBLIG”

          Yeah, no, they didn’t invent a thing. Indie’s have been releasing on PC without publishers for decades… Microsoft was extremely draconian with their policies as well. Even now with their clause stating a game cannot be released on another system before Xbox> Most indie developers cannot do so. Which is why they are going to Playstation in droves.

          “Fantastic! You’ve done it! You’ve jumped the shark and unabashedly admitted that you’re a moronic conspiracy theorist. What a joke.”

          Yeah, Edward Snowden is wanted for treason and moved to another country, because he made it all up eh? You are the joke. That fully explains that as soon as Microsoft bought Skype and put it on their Azure network, they started feeding the NSA Skype calls? It’s all been proven, it’s online. The Internet is a wonderful thing. :)

          Though, you keep gleaning past the majority of my points because you know I’m right. Sony creates while Microsoft purchases franchises after they are proven to be popular.
          You don’t get to skip this entire paragraph either.

          “No that is not the reason they are raking in $90 billion a year. It’s because they are milking all of their customers. They locked EVERYTHING behind the paywall on Xbox360, INCLUDING THE F*N WEB BROWSER. While also targeting ad’s to the Xbox360 and XboxOne paid for subscriptions. Which are PLASTERED all over 360’s dashboard. For nearly a decade. While Sony locked NOTHING behind a paywall and does not blast it’s customers with targeted ad’s. There’s a clause in Microsofts XboxOne T.O.S. that states they will specifically target ad’s at you and you HAVE to accept it. Sony also POURS money into R&D for consumer electronics. They helped create almost every format that is standard today. They poured billions into the creation of Blu-ray. They pour money into making movies and music. They are pouring tons of money into Project Morpheus VR. They are pouring money into creating PS NOW and spent 100’s of millions of the Gaikai network. Which are running of servers THEY created with PS3 components. They spend money allowing PS+ across 3 separate systems. I’ve gotten over $3,000 worth of games over the past 3 years with the PS+ subscription. Microsoft buys their way in. Sony CREATES. That’s why they don’t post profits. They spend all their money creating consumer technology and entertainment. While Microsoft simply buys what’s popular and claims it as their own.”

          But you did, because you know it’s true. You are pathetic.

        • coip

          “Sony is obviously more diverse. THAT’S WHY I LUMPED THEM TOGETHER. Idiot.”
          Again, you are clueless. Diversity refers to variety across genres, not within them. Spinning off niche games into their own genres just to fluff of Sony’s weak points is dishonest. Forza is better than anything Sony has. Look at global reviews. Having 1000 pebbles does not beat having 1 gold ingot.
          The rest of you post is rambling nonsense fueled by blind bias and uninformed by empirical theory. I don’t have time to waste on uneducated peons continually re-explaining it. Go take grad course or three.

        • Josh101

          Sony has variety across genres. They have more different racers. They many rpgs. They have many mmo’s, a genre Microsoft isn’t even placed. More creation games, etc. I have already pointed this out. That is variety. across genres, which you said ‘quality over quantity.’ You are soo far reaching it is unbelievable. Also, no, you did not cover half of what I said. Seriously, go F yourself. You just have no retort and are trying your hardest to defend a despicable company. If Microsoft wasn’t planning on feeding our video feed through Kinect, why did the camera HAVE to be connected at all times? It went from “The system will not function without it,” to being no issue months later. It was said they wouldn’t use Kinect to target ads and we were “conspiracy theorists” for thinking so. That’s exactly what the T.O.S. says they will do. Which you have to accept. Yea, you’re thick-headed and naive.

        • coip

          Sony does have variety across genres, just not as much as Microsoft. But it is the quality of those games where Sony’s strengths become myopic. Only in 3D action-adventure games, and arguably RPGs, are Sony’s offerings better than Microsoft. In nearly every other genre, Microsoft’s killer IP is better than any IP Sony has.
          Halo, Gears of War, Forza, Minecraft, Age of Empires, Killer Instinct, Kinect Sports, Xbox Fitness, and the like. Those are all the cream of the crop in their respective genres and no Sony alternative touches them. Are you seriously going to continue to try to argue that a game like Killzone is better than Halo?
          Ah, the conspiracy theorist returns. You are so naïve that it’s almost depressing. Right, the Kinect–a stationary camera in a single room that could easily be covered up and which never had to be networked–is there to spy on you. Sure, bud. You might want to toss that cell phone you carry around in the trash and rip out the camera and microphone from whatever computing device you’re using to write this nonsense, lest you be an even bigger hypocrite.

        • Josh101

          “In nearly every other genre, Microsoft’s killer IP is better than any IP Sony has.”

          Your, subjective, opinion. I’ve already proven that Sony has more variety across more genres and places in genre’s Microsoft doesn’t even have a competing entry. So no, you don’t get to try and change points again. Variety across genre’s. Which Sony has more games in more genres and more games in genre’s that Microsoft doesn’t. It’s all above. YOUR subjective opinion on which games you like more is irrelevant. You do not represent the majority. Oh yeah, I’d like to point out that MineCraft is on the PS4 and PS Vita. Not actually exclusive either, even though they spent 2 billion to acquire the game.

          “Ah, the conspiracy theorist returns. You are so naïve that it’s almost depressing. Right, the Kinect–a stationary camera in a single room that could easily be covered up and which never had to be networked–is there to spy on you. Sure, bud. You might want to toss that cell phone you carry around in the trash and rip out the camera and microphone from whatever computing device you’re using to write this nonsense, lest you be an even bigger hypocrite.”

          Ok, you are actually serious. In the XboxOne’s Terms of Service, it explicitly TELLS YOU THEY ARE GOING TO USE THE KINECT TO GATHER VIDEO INFORMATION TO TARGET ADS. When they said they wouldn’t and we were all wearing tinfoil hats and were conspiracy nuts. It’s already been proven. Oh, I have a phone, it’s from Wal-mart, pre-paid, with NO name or personal information attached to it. No contract either. Refill cards are paid with cash :) Oh, I’m not dumb enough to have a camera and microphone attached to my computer. Ever heard of “Ratting?” Yeah, no thank you.

          “Are you seriously going to continue to try to argue that a game like Killzone is better than Halo?”

          To me? Yes. I am mixed with black and white. The Killzone series is a story that tells of a race-war. The most recent in the series finally touched base on “half-breeds” and their attempt at curtailing a war between the two main races of the series. It touched base with me and is a very interesting story. Let me guess, you are one nationality and could not see the bigger underlying point of the series? It’s ok, you don’t have to be culturally competent, not everyone is. I happened to see the story they were telling.

          You are what’s wrong with the world. I seriously hope you don’t reproduce and continue your ignorance through generations. I am completely disgusted there is a person like you walking this planet. You seem the type of person that would…You know what forget it, you are waste of human intelligence, oxygen and bandwith.

        • coip

          ” I’ve already proven that Sony has more variety across more genres and places in genre’s Microsoft doesn’t even have a competing entry.”
          No, you haven’t. You’ve lied, tweaked genres to try to support your lies, omitted IP, tried to argue quantity over quality, then spit in the face of the entire gaming world by trying to argue nonsense like “Killzone is better than Halo”. If you truly think that, you’re beyond hope. Your fanboyism of an evil company like Sony who has, repeatedly, failed to protect its customers’ data, is worse than Stockholm Syndrome, all capped off by your narcissistic, jingoistic and offensive, assumption-based diatribe.
          Microsoft is the better company than Sony (check the coffers), care more about customer safety (hello ‘hacking’ history), are better at videogame innovation, and have a stronger lineup of IP than Sony despite having been in the game longer. But, hey, you keep playing Killzone with your blinders on thinking that it could even be qualified to clean Halo’s shoes while I go re-live all of the Halo masterpieces in one convenient package.

        • Josh101

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No. It’s all above. There were a few games that were published by Sony that weren’t owned, that’s it. Sony was hacked once and lost their customers data, in 2011. They offered Fraud protection to their customers. Target lost oall of their customers personal information within the last 6 months and said “oops!!.” That’s it. Sony less innovative than Microsoft? Buying up exclusivity on games they didn’t create isn’t innovation, dumb*ss.. Microsoft cares more about customer safety? While giving information to the government. Yeah, you are fuc*ing dumb. But go ahead and keep ignoring all of the points being made.

          ” I’ve already proven that Sony has more variety across more genres and places in genre’s Microsoft doesn’t even have a competing entry.”
          No, you haven’t. You’ve lied, tweaked genres to try to support your lies,”

          Ok, what genre is Twisted Metal, Motorstorm, Wipeout and Jetmoto fall in? A category that Microsoft doesn’t even place in. Point made, you’re dumb. Everquest and Planetside 2, what genre are they in? Microsoft has a competing game in that genre? Minecraft isn’t exclusive, so they don’t even place in quality creation exclusives. You lose. Another genre Sony walks away with.

        • coip

          Sony was hacked once? Oh boy. Maybe you should check the headlines. They’re kind of dealing with a massive hack right now.

        • Josh101

          None of our personal information was stolen in this hack, doesn’t concern me. Until it does, not my issue. The real interesting thing, you ignored 98% of the post because it is true. You are a idiot and you know it :) Dumbf*ck.

        • coip

          Your hypocrisy is astounding. Your personal information wasn’t stolen so you pretend it’s okay? A lot of people’s personal information was stolen. It’s an egregious violation and is indefensible. I now know Sylvester Stallone’s SSN because of Sony’s lax security. That’s absurd. Go see a psychiatrist about your Stockholm Syndrome.
          I “ignored 98% of [your] post” because I didn’t read it. I stopped as soon as saw the first fallacy and addressed it directly, as I’ve learned from your previous rambling, unstructured, inconsistent and digressive replies that you don’t have the intellectual capacity or writing skills to handled arguments with multiple threads. So, I’ve simplified it for you by addressing one fallacy per reply in hopes that your reading comprehension skills may hold up when dealing with a smaller word count. We’ll see.

        • Josh101

          I can’t handle multiple threads of conversation, when I quote your replies and answer them specifically? Dude you are still reaching. Every company is vulnerable to being hacked. Many companies this year have been hacked including: JP Morgan, Google, Apple, Ebay, Yahoo Mail, Target, AT&T, Goodwill Industries International and Neiman Marcus as well as many others.
          http://www.heritage .org/ research/reports/2014/10/cyber-attacks-on-us-companies-in-2014
          Sony has lax security even though they have held this personal information for years and JUST now had it hacked? It’s not like Sony’s security was that of a library where you walk in and have access to their computers. But not as “lax” as you put forth. Hell it took hackers years to crack the PS3 and their PSN network. NO company is invincible to hacks. None. That is a fact. One as large as Sony has an extremely large target on it’s back. Tons of nude celeb pictures were hacked and released to the public just recently. They can only do soo much and were doing as much as they could and prevented any Sony Pictures loss until now.

          Now that is covered. You still have a ton of points to address. I’m not going to repeat them. I’m going to post them again.

          You said Forza is better than Sony’s offerings, which include Gran Turismo, right? Funny, they don’t bring “Professional Forza players” into Nascar. They do so for “Professional Gran Turismo” players. :)

          ” I’ve already proven that Sony has more variety across more genres and places in genre’s Microsoft doesn’t even have a competing entry.”
          No, you haven’t. You’ve lied, tweaked genres to try to support your lies,”

          Ok, what genre does Twisted Metal, Motorstorm, Wipeout and Jetmoto fall in? A category that Microsoft doesn’t even place in. Point made, you’re dumb. Everquest and Planetside 2, what genre are they in? Microsoft has a competing game in that genre? Minecraft isn’t exclusive, so they don’t even place in quality creation exclusives. You lose. Another genre Sony walks away with.

          In the XboxOne’s Terms of Service, it explicitly TELLS YOU THEY ARE GOING TO USE THE KINECT TO GATHER VIDEO INFORMATION TO TARGET ADS. When they said they wouldn’t and we were all wearing tinfoil hats and were conspiracy nuts. It’s already been proven.”

          What’s that? You skipped this part. :)

        • coip

          “I can’t handle multiple threads of conversation, when I quote your replies and answer them specifically?”

          No, clearly you cannot. Quoting something and then immediately following it with a digressive reply isn’t ‘following the conversation’. The rest of your all-over-the-board nonsensical reply is evidence of that.

          There you go again trying to defend Sony for being egregiously hacked, again. You work harder to cover up their transgressions than a mother would. It’s pretty pathetic how blind you are to how stupid you sound.

          “You said Forza is better than Sony’s offerings, which include Gran Turismo, right? Funny, they don’t bring “Professional Forza players” into Nascar. They do so for “Professional Gran Turismo” players.”
          This is your iron evidence that Gran Turismo is better than Forza? Dear god, I’m arguing with a child. First of all, professional racecar drivers have long been a part of Forza, both in its creation and afterwards as practice simulation. Second of all, NASCAR is a joke on the global racing scene, and cherry-picking some completely irrelevant fact as evidence of a games’ quality is pretty stupid. It’s nearly unanimous among industry experts that Forza is the best racing franchise on the market.
          Okay, what do you want me to shoot down next?

        • Josh101

          “There you go again trying to defend Sony for being egregiously hacked, again. You work harder to cover up their transgressions than a mother would. It’s pretty pathetic how blind you are to how stupid you sound.”

          Cover up Sony’s transgressions? Hmm, the quote from a cyber security expert doesn’t even compute for you? It was not an act of negligence. I think you aren’t even reading as you mentioned. You are just spewing as many insults to try and hide from the fact that it’s true. There have been plenty of companies hacked, this year alone, as evidenced by the link I provided. I’m posting facts that you told me to look up. Don’t get mad because they aren’t in your favor. :)

          According to Even Mendia, a cyber security expert: “This attack is unprecedented in nature. The malware was undetectable by industry standard antivirus software and was damaging and unique enough to cause the FBI to release a flash alert to warn other organizations of this critical threat.”

          The malware was undetectable by INDUSTRY STANDARD ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE……

          “AlienVault also told Lucian Constantin, “From the samples we obtained, we can say the attackers knew the internal network from Sony since the malware samples contain hardcoded names of servers inside Sony’s network and even credentials—usernames and passwords—that the malware uses to connect to systems inside the network.” Initial reports of the Sony hack included claims that GOP hackers had insider help; it’s unknown if that is how the attackers knew Sony’s internal network.”

          “It’s nearly unanimous among industry experts that Forza is the best racing franchise on the market.”

          Who are these “industry experts?” Failed “journalists” and “bloggers” working for Kotaku and IGN? Yeaaaa. Sure….

          “cherry-picking some completely irrelevant fact as evidence of a games’ quality is pretty stupid.”

          Apparently Nascar officials believe Gran Turismo’s physics are quality enough to train Nascar drivers, otherwise they wouldn’t induct pro-GT players into NASCAR. It’s completely relevant.

          “Okay, what do you want me to shoot down next?”

          You are getting destroyed in EVERY single argument that you are trying to bring up while changing goal posts. I want you to stop running away from these points:

          ” I’ve already proven that Sony has more variety across more genres and places in genre’s Microsoft doesn’t even have a competing entry.”
          No, you haven’t. You’ve lied, tweaked genres to try to support your lies,”

          Ok, what genre does Twisted Metal, Motorstorm, Wipeout and Jetmoto fall in? A category that Microsoft doesn’t even place in. Point made, you’re dumb. Everquest and Planetside 2, what genre are they in? Microsoft has a competing game in that genre? Minecraft isn’t exclusive, so they don’t even place in quality creation exclusives. You lose. Another genre Sony walks away with.

          In the XboxOne’s Terms of Service, it explicitly TELLS YOU THEY ARE GOING TO USE THE KINECT TO GATHER VIDEO INFORMATION TO TARGET ADS. When they said they wouldn’t and we were all wearing tinfoil hats and were conspiracy nuts. It’s already been proven.”

          What’s that? You skipped this part. :)

          ” are better at videogame innovation, and have a stronger lineup of IP than
          Sony despite having been in the game longer”

          Buying up established franchises is NOT innovation you idiot. Stonger lineup of IP is YOUR subjective opinion. I’ve repeated this many times now.

        • coip

          Cherry picking one random “cyber security expert” is meaningless. Furthermore, it doesn’t matter how “unprecedented” a cyber attack is: it’s always the target’s fault for being vulnerable. Sony needs better security. They’ve gotten hacked many times. It’s time to stop throwing them a bone.
          Next?

        • Josh101

          You said I can’t handle more than one thread of conversation, but again, for the second time, you’ve replied to only one part of a multi-layered post. There are still ton of points you just don’t want any part of. Apparently facts scare you. You just can’t accept that you have been destroyed and it’s WONDEROUS over here. I’m loving it. The hypocrisy is delicious. Hmm, you are dumbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb. Idiot…..

          Yeah, this is the one time trying to sound intelligent, didn’t work. Jingoistic?? Um, I’m American you idiot. What part of me not trusting Microsoft (rightfully so) or the American government makes me jingoistic? I like other people outside of our country, obviously. Idiot….

          “Cherry picking one random “cyber security expert” is meaningless.

          Please, point us to another cyber expert that has reviewed this incident and has given their expert opinion. Again, don’t get pissed off because you told me to look this up and what is said doesn’t say what you want it to. Idiot….

          Furthermore, it doesn’t matter how “unprecedented” a cyber attack is: it’s always the target’s fault for being vulnerable.”

          This sounds exactly like: “She shouldn’t have worn provacative clothes, or she wouldn’t have been raped!!” Idiot….

          The malware was undetectable by INDUSTRY STANDARD ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE……

          Undetectable….By Industry standard antivirus…Un-de-tect-able…Say it with me now, undetectable. Idiot….

        • coip

          “You said I can’t handle more than one thread of conversation, but again, for the second time, you’ve replied to only one part of a multi-layered post. ”
          For the 3rd time, because you cannot handle multifaceted arguments, I told you that I will only address the first fallacy I encounter. After that, I don’t even read whatever you wrote.

        • Josh101

          Well it’s apparent that I can handle multi-threaded convo’s. It’s been on show for plenty of posts now. You just ignore my points because I am right and you are wrong. :) It’s delightfully entertaining. You have been owned completely in this comment section and trying to use words you don’t understand didn’t help you one bit. 😀 It probably works alot for you doesn’t it? Tell me, how does that make you feel? :) I only did what you told me to do. Look up the Sony hack, it just didn’t say what you wanted it to. Don’t be mad. Stop being a lil B*tch and own the fact that you have been thoroughly trounced. Repeatedly.

        • coip

          “Well it’s apparent that I can handle multi-threaded convo’s. It’s been on show for plenty of posts now”
          Something has definitely been on show for plenty of posts now but it hasn’t been your capability to handle complex debates. Simply regurgitating a lot of unstructured digressions does not constitute “handling”; it merely reinforces that you need to simplify things your life because you are drowning in your own logic traps.

        • Josh101

          “you are drowning in your own logic traps.”

          Speaking of logic traps…

          “Furthermore, it doesn’t matter how “unprecedented” a cyber attack is: it’s always the target’s fault for being vulnerable.”

          This sounds exactly like: “She shouldn’t have worn provacative clothes, or she wouldn’t have been raped!!” Idiot….

          Weeeeeeeee!!! This is fun 😀
          I’m still laughing about this, it’s hysterical. :)

          Yeah, this is the one time trying to sound intelligent, didn’t work. Jingoistic??
          Um, I’m American you idiot. What part of me not trusting Microsoft (rightfully so) or the American government makes me jingoistic? I like other people outside of our country, obviously. Idiot….

          ” I’ve already proven that Sony has more variety across more genres and places in genre’s Microsoft doesn’t even have a competing entry.”
          No, you haven’t. You’ve lied, tweaked genres to try to support your lies,”

          Ok, what genre does Twisted Metal, Motorstorm, Wipeout and Jetmoto fall in? A category that Microsoft doesn’t even place in. Point made, you’re dumb. Everquest and Planetside 2, what genre are they in? Microsoft has a competing game in that genre? Minecraft isn’t exclusive, so they don’t even place in quality creation exclusives. You lose. Another genre Sony walks away with.

          ” are better at videogame innovation, and have a stronger lineup of IP than
          Sony despite having been in the game longer”

          Buying up established franchises is NOT innovation you idiot. Stonger lineup of IP is YOUR subjective opinion. I’ve repeated this many times now.

        • coip

          “This sounds exactly like: “She shouldn’t have worn provacative clothes, or she wouldn’t have been raped!!””
          That’s called a false analogy. It’s also offensive and naïve.
          Next?

        • Josh101

          No, you idiot. It’s called victim blaming. Which you clearly are doing: “it’s always the target’s fault for being vulnerable.”-Victim blaming. Are you really that confused that you didn’t see that?

        • coip

          No, it’s called false analogy. Hacking into a poorly secured computer network and being able to harvest sensitive information has nothing to do with sexual assault. You’re trying to spin things so that blame shifts to the hackers and therefore Sony is relieved of Culpability. That’s nonsense and counter to sociological theory. Any company that holds sensitive information has a legal and moral right to protect that information from bad people. Sony failed at doing that. It’s inexcusable.

        • Josh101

          No matter how many times you ignore this fact, it’s not going away.
          According to Even Mendia, a cyber security expert: “This attack is unprecedented in nature. The malware was UNDETECTABLE by INDUSTRY STANDARD ANTIVIRUS software and was damaging and unique enough to cause the FBI to release a flash alert to warn other organizations of this critical threat.”

          You lost all credibility when you used “Trustworthy agency” and “government” in the same sentence. You’ve lost. Get over it. It’s victim blaming. Sociological theory is just that, a theory.

        • One quote by one “expert” who didn’t even have access to Sony’s network to investigate how unprecedented the attack was does not constitute a fact.
          Sociological theory is based on centuries of empirically tested evidence.
          My argument was that the U.S. government is more trustworthy than a group of black hat hackers. This is clearly the case, as the sensitive information the government got access to via the legal subpoenaing of Microsoft and other tech companies remains secure and unadvertised whereas the information filched by the Sony hackers is plastered all over the Internet: IP violations, social security numbers, salary information, private correspondence, etc. You’re going to argue the contrary? Really? You can’t win this argument. Following the law is far less bad than getting egregiously hacked and losing the private information of thousands of employees and customers.

        • Josh101

          No, it is wellknown that Microsoft created a backdoor named “NSAKEY.”. You can look it up or perhaps use the link I provided. Sony being hacked does not compare to GIVING information away. You can ignore what the article YOU told me to look up said all you want. Doesn’t change facts. Sony didn’t willfully give up information. Microsoft did, point blank period. You’re done. You have lost, shut the f*ck up. Willfully ignorant f*ck.

        • Yeah, no. Sony’s negligence led to private data leaking all over the Internet. Microsoft giving information they’re legally obligated to give to one, secure organization (the government) is called following the law. Sony, getting hacked again is egregious.

        • Josh101

          Microsoft was not legally obligated to create backdoors specifically for the NSA and giving our oersonal information away. Sony was hacked and according to experts, not you, it was undetectable by industry standard antivirus. Those are the facts, ignore them all you want.

        • Josh101

          Another thing.

          “You should probably take the blinders off and direct your conspiracy theories towards Sony, who has been egregiously hacked more often than a sack at recess on a junior high school playground in the 90s.”

          How does Sony getting hacked equal to Microsoft giving away our private information to the NSA, willingly? It doesn’t….You’re dumb…You don’t have immediate control over being hacked, but you have control on giving away personal information away.

        • coip

          Stop spreading misinformation. Microsoft isn’t “giving away our private information to the NSA, willingly” you nincompoop. They’re required by law to do so. If you want to get mad, get mad at the U.S. government for subpoenaing it. If you had actually followed the news, you’d see that Microsoft has been vehemently fighting against the government’s information requests.
          Being forced, by law, to provide information? No culpability there. Being hacked–repeatedly–and losing customers’ private information out of your own negligence? Unconscionable. Get a clue, man.

        • Josh101

          You are a idiot if you actually believe what they are spoon feeding you on the news….Wow….

        • coip

          It’s all verifiable by international court records. What else you got, Mr. Misinformed Conspiracy Theorist? Take off the tin-foil hat before you answer this time.

        • Josh101

          Hmm, yeah, that completely explains that after Skype was acquired by Microsoft it just so happens the videos start being given to the government. You do know that media corporations OWN the news outlets right? Start there, you have a long road of realization to discover.

        • coip

          You’re spinning around in circles you’re so dizzy. I’ve already explained that to you. Microsoft was required by law to do that. Go read some court briefings and get educated, as you’re severely misinformed despite me spoon feeding it to you.

        • Josh101

          So, Skype, that use to be peer to peer. Gets bought by Microsoft and put on their servers, then they feed the NSA their video calls. Nothing strange about that!!!! You are naive and completely oblivious to your idiocy.

        • coip

          Either you’re an idiot and cannot understand what I’m telling you even though I told you 5 times now, or you’re the worst troll ever: Microsoft (and every other company that operates under U.S. jurisdiction) is required, BY LAW, to turn over information when required by subpoena. Are you really that obtuse that you still cannot comprehend how the U.S. legal system works? Go take a junior high school civics class.

        • Josh101

          Apparently you don’t get, Microsoft has been colluding with the goverment for decades. The largest American software companythat has a monopoly on OS’s in the world has of course been under the thumb. Of course they will hide behind “subpoena’s.” Like it matters to Microsoft saying they have no control. Pffft, you are an extremely naive and ignorant person… No wonder our rights are being trampled on lmao. WOW I can’t believe I had to spell that out. HAHAHAHAH oh man, too good. What operating system has the U.S. govenment been using for over 20 years? Hmm, I wonder….

        • coip

          You are simple embarrassing yourself at this point with this conspiracy theory talk. Go to a search engine and type in “Microsoft” under the news section right now. You will find a plethora of evidence of Microsoft fighting these subpoenas in court. Now go do a search for “Sony” under the news section right now. You will find a plethora of leaked documents, endangering employees, distributors, and the like, from what is only the most recent, of many, successful hacks against Sony.

        • Josh101

          Interesting, under the search for “Microsoft fights subpoena,” the most recent article from USA Today states specifically what I’m saying. Thanks for helping me prove my point!!!

          http://www. usatoday .com/ story/tech/2014/12/15/microsoft-doj-subpoenas-emails-ireland-snowden/20440159/#

          “But experts said the case is also part of an effort by U.S. tech companies to regain customers’ trust after documents leaked by Edward Snowden revealed how easily they caved in to government requests for information.”-quote

          Hmm, so experts agree with me. Thanks again!!!!!!!! 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

        • coip

          You’re fishing for anything now. It’s pretty sad. For the 40th time, Microsoft (and other tech companies) had to provide information to the government, by law. Criticizing a company for obeying the law is as stupid as getting mad at a cherry for being red. Be angry at the government and be glad that Microsoft is vehemently fighting them in court–much more so than Sony is working to make a secure network.

        • Josh101

          Fishing? Really? You told me to go to a search engine and type in Microsoft I went a step further and typed in “Microsoft fights subpoena.” The FIRST ARTICLE agreed with me and what I am saying. No, you just can’t accept the truth. Simple as that.

          “much more so than Sony is working to make a secure network.”

          Pay attention, read carefully.

          “http://www. networkworld. com/article/2856258/microsoft-subnet/sony-hack-dubbed-unparalleled-crime-unprecedented-due-to-undetectable-malware.html

          According to Even Mendia, a cyber security expert: “This attack is unprecedented in nature. The malware was undetectable by industry standard antivirus software and was damaging and unique enough to cause the FBI to release a flash alert to warn other organizations of this critical threat.”

          “AlienVault also told Lucian Constantin, “From the samples we obtained, we can say the attackers knew the internal network from Sony since the malware samples contain hardcoded names of servers inside Sony’s network and even credentials—usernames and passwords—that the malware uses to connect to systems inside the network.” Initial reports of the Sony hack included claims that GOP hackers had insider help; it’s unknown if that is how the attackers knew Sony’s internal network.”

        • coip

          “FIRST ARTICLE agreed with me and what I am saying”
          No, it didn’t. You cherry picked one quote, misinterpreted it, and then bounced it around like it was some meaningful evidence of anything. It’s not. The fact is that Microsoft, with the support of dozens of other tech companies, is currently fighting for our privacy rights while Sony, at the same time, is losing private information on thousands of employees and customers. And you’re trying to criticize the former and absolve the latter. It’s pretty pathetic, actually.

          Next?

        • Josh101

          “But experts said the case is also part of an effort by U.S. tech companies to regain customers’ trust after documents leaked by Edward Snowden revealed how easily they caved in to government requests for information.”-quote

          That is terribly hard to misinterpret. It says experts said the case is part of an effort by tech companies, that means Microsoft as well, are trying to earn brownie points with the public. After being exposed for easily caving into government REQUESTS of information. Like building backdoors into their Microsoft platform without subpoena, so the governement could spy on people. It’s VERY clear what that quote means.
          Next? Oh Microsoft building backdoors into their OS, without subpoena would be a good start. But we both know you will just skip right past it like you have no ability to comprehend. :)

        • coip

          “That is terribly hard to misinterpret”
          Yet you managed to do it. Good job. The problem comes in the subjectivity of the comment and lack of empirical evidence to support it, especially considering the legal obligations these tech companies had to follow. Show me the statistically valid public opinion polls that support this journalist citing unnamed ‘experts’ offering opinions on public opinion. Next, show me why this even matters. A company eschewing the law is acting illegally. You’re rebuking Microsoft for not breaking the law instead of rebuking the law. You’re target is misguided.

        • Josh101

          No, I didn’t misinterpret it. I spelled it out word for word HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh wow, you are a piece of work kiddo. You can’t make me angry, so your “insults” are worthless. You only make yourself look more idiotic than you already have. Wasted key-strokes, when you could be addressing ALL of my points instead of trying to attack the “weakest” parts of my posts.

          “The problem comes in the subjectivity of the comment and lack of empirical evidence to support it, especially considering the legal obligations these tech companies had to follow.”

          There was no legal obligation for Microsoft to build backdoors into their Window’s OS….

          “You’re rebuking Microsoft for not breaking the law instead of rebuking the law. You’re target is misguided.”
          What law required Microsoft to collude with the government without subpoena or warrant? What law required Microsoft to try and force a always online always connected camera on their devices? What law requires Microsoft to use the Kinect to gather video information from their customers, willingly, to “target ads.” Sounds like a convenient strawman for when they are caught again, feeding the NSA video from their XboxOne and Kinect.

        • coip

          “you could be addressing ALL of my points instead of trying to attack the “weakest” parts of my posts.”

          I already told you that I take your fallacies in the order they appear. It’s not my fault they tend to come in the first few sentences. But as a bonus this time, I’ll give you two.

          “What law required Microsoft to collude with the government without subpoena or warrant?”
          Show me evidence that 1. they did this without customer consent, and that 2. it’s illegal.
          “What law required Microsoft to try and force a always online always connected camera on their devices?”
          Show me evidence of Microsfoft ever releasing an always-online, always connected camera on their devices.
          “What law requires Microsoft to use the Kinect to gather video information from their customers, willingly, to ‘target ads'”
          Show me the evidence that 1. they’re doing this without customer consent and that 2. it’s illegal.

          I’ll be waiting. Don’t screw it up this time.

        • Josh101

          Are you f*cking serious???? So your reply is effectively “It’s not illegal” for Microsoft to build back doors into their Windows OS so the government can have an easy way to spy on Window’s users….That Microsoft never released the planned always online always connected camera XboxOne with Kinect which was cancelled because of the consumer backlash. They still attempted to do so, but saw pre-order numbers and panicked. Then finally that Microsoft aren’t gathering video information without consent., when Microsoft said they wouldn’t and we were conspiracy nuts for thinking so. Ok, you are a complete idiot. I seriously hope you can’t reproduce, I honestly and truly hope you can’t. You are a real piece of sh*t and obtuse to boot. What a waste of human potential.

        • coip

          Your reply is to hold a grudge against Microsoft for things that never happened but then give Sony a free pass on things that actually did happen? And I’m the “complete idiot”? Nope. I’m honest. You’re a delusional hypocrite.

        • Josh101

          Microsoft built back doors into their Windows OS for the government. That happened. Microsoft is using the Kinect to gather video for “targeted ads.” That’s happening. Microsoft was trying to make their XboxOne always online with a camera attached to it, that would NOT function unless the camera was attached. Those are all things that happened…You literally just tried defending those acts and you are calling ME delusional?? FFS dude, are you schizofrenic? WOW, stay off the internet for a while. You are seriously retarded. You may need to seek some help, get a tutor, a life coach.

        • coip

          “Microsoft built back doors into their Windows OS for the government. That happened. ”
          For the umpteenth time, provide substantiated evidence that 1. that happened, 2. it was illegal, otherwise stop staying it.

        • Josh101

          You and anyone reading this can search the entire sentence you quoted me on… It happened. Here’s a lovely article that has a ton of cross-references. http:// techrights .org /2013/06/15/nsa-and-microsoft/ Your defense of “it’s not illegal,” is despicable. You must work for Microsoft. There is no other logical reason for your willful ignorance.

        • coip

          You apparently know nothing about computer programming. Every system has a back door. This is nothing new. Everything Microsoft gave to the government they were legally obligated to give away. What is illogical is chiding them for following the law while ignoring the company whose lax security has, yet again, resulted in massive data breaches. Your argument is: giving private information to a trusted agency (the government) = bad; letting private information leak out to bad people = good. Pretty dumb argument.

        • Josh101

          You have got to be kidding me……

          “Everything Microsoft gave to the government they were legally obligated to give away.”

          Microsoft was not legally obligated or provided a subpoena to create specific access doors for the NSA. No, they were not. Microsoft gave information away, Sony was hacked. Big difference.

          “What is illogical is chiding them for following the law while ignoring the company whose lax security has, yet again, resulted in massive data breaches.”

          According to Even Mendia, a cyber security expert: “This attack is unprecedented in nature. The malware was UNDETECTABLE by INDUSTRY STANDARD ANTIVIRUS software and was damaging and unique enough to cause the FBI to release a flash alert to warn other organizations of this critical threat.”

          “Your argument is: giving private information to a trusted agency (the government)”
          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Trusted by whom? you??HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

        • “Microsoft was not legally obligated or provided a subpoena to create specific access doors for the NSA.”
          The backdoors were not created for the NSA. Backdoors to all software programs have been in existence since the first software program was ever made.

        • Josh101

          I’m still waiting… But we both know that my list is accurate. I fact checked EVERY IP that I named off and they are ALL Sony owned IP. I even fact checked the Microsoft IPs to search for more exclusives to add to the list. You and Microsoft have lost. Sony wins. :)

        • Josh101

          Yeah….I thought so. Next time, do your research…

        • coip

          Speaking of doing research, I’m still waiting for you to fix your inaccurate list. Ask your local librarian to help, if you don’t know how, but don’t even think of wasting my time again with a list full of inaccurate information.

        • Josh101

          Hmm, what is wrong with my list? It is all accurate. That’s why it took you two days to answer right?

      • Bramstons

        I have seen so many of your stupid fanboy comments on many sites, you are a total idiot who talks utter trash, it makes me feel a bit embarrassed knowing that one of my consoles is the same console as yours.