Elio Motors canceled appearance reprises production fears

By Peter Chubb - Sep 27, 2014

Earlier this month Elio Motors canceled an appearance at Dallas Texas State Fair, which left people bemused as to the last minute decision. We have since heard from many concerned fans that those Elio Motors car scam fears still may have some truth to it.

Elio maintains that things are still on track, and production of its three-wheel car will begin next year thanks to great support from the public. They already have the former GM manufacturing facility to build the cars, although last we heard they were still short on funds to actually start production.

Elio Motors canceled appearance

Having said that, Elio Motors, Inc., did say they are working closely with manufacturing partner, Comau, in a bid to sell leftover manufacturing equipment it does not need in the hope of generating more money to help start production of its three-wheeler sooner.

Some people have actually said that while they wish it is not a scam, those who put money down on a vehicle that has yet to go into production was just asking for trouble. We did find it funny what one Product-reviews reader said, “I may wind up having a very expensive T- shirt in my closet.” However, he did say that even though it was a risk putting money down, the thought of owning the vehicle makes him happy.

We still reserve judgement, but will say that getting a game changer off the ground is not easy and takes investment, and if people are willing to bet $1,000 on it in order to get $1,500, then good luck to them.

These scam fears came up last month and generated a huge amount of interest, so much so that we received a huge amount of comments, so have a read through them.

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Also See: Elio Motors production edges closer

Elio Motors canceled appearance reprises production fears

  • cheif pokalotatwat

    it is a scam

  • Kent Beuchert

    You’d think a journalists would , you know, pick up the phone and call Elio Motors and ask them why they cancelled a showing. But NOOOOO…., let’s instead start a rumor that the cancellation isn’t what it seems, but is instead a sign (????Huh) that the company will not start producing the car. Now, the fact that in the past Elio has cancelled showings, and the fact that they have not cancelled any of the other two dozen scheduled showings apparently doesn’t mean anything. When skeptics and headline-hunting journalists can’t come up with arguments any better than this, and display their extreme laziness at not moving a muscle t get some basic facts, they’ve reached bottom, I’m afraid.

    • AZ

      No different, than you saying this is a done deal. Only need some minor tweaks is the most ridiculous statement made here. You cite journalist being lazy and you cite popular sayings from the 1800’s (selling like hot cakes) tin foil hate reference dates back to 1927. Talk about lazy, how about doing some research and cite a more current/relevant saying (like in the last 50 years).

      • actovegin1armstrong

        AZ, all someone has to do is some simple mathematics. There is no way that the car Elio describes can sell for $6,800 without at least $4,000 per car in subsidies.

  • Josh McNattin

    The reservation deposits they have taken are chump change compared to the investments they’ve made, the prototypes are proof enough of what they’ve spent thus far. I’ve sat in one and I’ve seen them drive, they’re very solidly built pieces of machinery with lots of custom parts (the shell, the interior pieces, the suspension) that required significant engineering research and development. This is not a scam. It’s true, I do have my concerns about whether they can make it to production or sustain it profitably, but I’m confident this isn’t a con job, not by any stretch of the imagination. All I care about is if they get through that first run and I get my model. But if they don’t, I made my $100 deposit considering it to be like a Kickstarter project, with no guarantees. That’s why I decided to not put down the $1000 for the larger discount and earlier place in line for one.

  • kkkk

    one word: aptera

  • sackarocks

    what are u talking about i picked mine up yesterday…great ride, only the engine is not ready yet so i have mine drawn by two unicorns

    • scungilli

      i read where its powered by cow farts

      • teabagger

        gas going to 2 dol a gal im gonna break out my 68 pontiac 400 4bbl and enlarge my carbon footprint…….yippee

  • Josef Roesler

    Peter Chubb needs to go back to his factory work day job and take some night classes on grammar and writing. This article reads like a 3rd grader wrote it. I’m not even going to entertain his “car scam fears” that he hasn’t even bothered to document.

    • actovegin1armstrong

      An ad hominem attack will miraculously make your car appear.

      • Josef Roesler

        But your fanboy catchphrase won’t.

        • actovegin1armstrong

          Right “fanboy”, read about actovegin. I called that doper out in 1987 when he was just “that triathlete doper kid” just starting cycling.
          Another misguided attack on your part.

        • Josef Roesler

          The only misguided attack here had the word hominem in it.

        • actovegin1armstrong

          hominem is latin for “to the person”. You are attacking the person, me and the author, but the point is the car.
          You have to resort to ad hominem attacks because all the evidence is pointing against you. An ad hominem attack is usually the last bastion of hope for an insecure person. I really wish that the Elio could make it, but simple mathematics shows that it will not survive without a couple of hundred million, (minimum to get started) in subsidies. Why do you attack me and the author? Calling me a Lance Armstrong fan when I am well known for going to great lengths to expose the sociopath for the fraud he has always been is not only a misguided attack, but what does it have to do with the Elio? I understand what hominem means, but you certainly did not understand actovegin before you made your laughable attack on me.

        • Josef Roesler

          Actually, I was criticizing the sh|tty writing and the cr@ppy article. Since the article is all full of grammatical errors and has no facts, it is an accurate criticism and not ad hominem. Being written by a person with a 3rd grade education explains why there are no facts in the article, it is an opinion piece sadly disguised as news. Your phrase is the last bastion of someone who is defending baseless lies and has no real facts, generally fanboys. If you could have disputed my claim that there are no facts in the article, you would have done that instead of resorting to your “ad hominem” accusation. It’s a phrase internet trolls and fanboys throw around when they have no argument. So maybe you’re not a fanboy. Troll fits as well.

          Your babbling after the word “Why” needs not be addressed since nobody knows where that came from. But it certainly explains your mindset. This would be where people normally would ask you if you’ve forgotten your meds, at which point, you again make “ad hominem” accusations. In case you can’t follow what I mean by that, nothing in the next quote actually happened. I will quote it for you in case you want to do some creative editing. See, we’ve cracked your pattern now, so I’ve just saved us the trouble.

          You wrote, “Why do you attack me and the author? Calling me a Lance Armstrong fan when I am well known for going to great lengths to expose the sociopath for the fraud he has always been is not only a misguided attack, but what does it have to do with the Elio? I understand what hominem means, but you certainly did not understand actovegin before you made your laughable attack on me.”

        • actovegin1armstrong

          ” See, we’ve cracked your pattern now, so I’ve just saved us the trouble”
          Is it appropriate to count you and the voices in your head as “we’ve” and “us”?
          All fun aside Josef, I have been very excited about the Elio, I am sad that it is not going to happen. If by some miracle it does, look for me, mine shall be road cone orange with a bumper sticker that says, “I troll when I am disappointed.” I mean you no ill will, we both want the same thing, and to quote the great H. L. Mencken, “You are probably right.”

        • Josef Roesler

          By we, I mean you and me. The voices are speaking to you, read your Lance Armstrong rant…

          Other than financing, you can’t point to any other reason it won’t happen. A cancelled appearance certainly doesn’t suggest that. No other startup in history has ever accomplished all the things Elio has in anticipation of a new vehicle, including changing at least 45 state laws.

        • actovegin1armstrong

          “Other than financing, you can’t point to any other reason it won’t happen.”
          Other than financing? What else does one need? A cancelled appearance is not important, I will certainly agree with you on that point. It is also certainly a bit of a ride down a slippery slope to state that it is symptomatic of absolutely anything else, but Josef, the financing is everything. I would gladly pay $13,600 for the Elio as described. I wish that the price point had not been set in stone before the evil specter of reality reared its ugly head.

        • Josef Roesler

          Or maybe Elio knows what he’s talking about…he didn’t become a millionaire from not knowing what he’s talking about.

        • Kenneth Clark

          “…he didn’t become a millionaire from not knowing what he’s talking about.”

          All of the Liberal Progressive Democrats in Washington DC did.

        • AZ

          Why not change the law at the federal level? Oh, because it would need to meet different standards.

        • LanceRooke

          Or because federal laws aren’t the prime issue. For example, there are no federal helmet laws. These types of laws are state level. Not federal.

        • AZ

          No facts in article? So Elio is not working with manufacture partner Camau selling leftover equipment? Good to know, according to you that is not a fact.

        • Josef Roesler

          Funny that’s all you keyed in on. Sure, there’s that one thing. It’s also named Elio, there, that makes 2. But when an article is filled with so much wrong I.formation. and personal speculation that the entire thing is a work of fiction, you’re still happy knowing there are 2 facts in it?

        • AZ

          oh, so it’s only ok for you to key in on misinformation? Oh, so that’s how it works.

        • Josef Roesler

          Oh, yes, of course, shouldn’t we all complain if he wrote something factual?

        • AZ

          Oh so when you said no facts. That was not factual. You didn’t say not entirely factual (anything else that would imply some facts). You said no facts.
          So when Elio issues a press release and several media outlets run the same release, you complain about that too? After all, it is a press release disguised as news.

        • Josef Roesler

          OK, it was mostly not factual. There, no what will you find to argue about?

  • Kent Beuchert

    I have to laugh at the brainless conspiracy theories – these have to be, far and away the most illogical and nutty products of yellow journalism I’ve seen in quite some time – not since the JFK assassination conspiracy folks were pushing their illogical theories. Anyone with half a brain
    who has been following this story knows what’s going on and laughs at the stupid skeptics
    who grab onto something as insignificant and meaningless as a cancelled promo date to
    construct a phantom story of sinister goings on. If anyone of these loonies simply took a gander
    at the obstacles that have been overcome and all that’s been achieved (the car is FINISHED, only minor tweaks remain), the build site has been ACQUIRED and is being populated and unneeded equipment put up for sale, the govt loan has been requested and almost certainly will be granted.
    The engine has been designed and is being tested as we speak. The corporate board has been filled, with former Chrysler Motor CEOs, amongst other notable folks.
    In looking at the state of the company I can say with authority that the car will be built and will sell like hotcakes. The chances of this not happeneing are ZERO. Anyone who doubts the obvious reality of Elio otors needs to find a tinfoil hat with a propeller on top. And journalists gullible enough to swallow (or entertain) braindead skeptical theories should get into another line of work and quit pushing irresponsible, utterly inane nonsense. This is embarrassingly incompetent journalism.

    • Yang

      Oh FFS, did you have to go into a long winded anti-conspiracy rant to make your point? I’m sure the Elio will come to fruition. Why does everyone have to inject their political talking points. Conspiracies do happen, but this it looks like this is not one of them. Maybe we can remove them from all penal codes so you can sleep at night.

    • AZ

      “The car is FINISHED” talk about needing to wear a tinfoil hat. No it’s not, otherwise their would be mules/prototypes (25 of them) running around. Crash testing, mpg ratings confirmed verified? Nothing verified.
      Putting a board of directors doesn’t mean success. Ask Bob Lutz about Exide. The only thing more ridiculous is the wack jobs that say it’s a done deal and compare Elio to Henry Ford. Henry Ford did not have 100 plus years of manufacturing, automotive, motorcycle experience to look back on as a guide. Henry Ford actually invented something.
      Lets see they lack funding. Delays due to lack of funding (Paul Elio interview), delays due to the success of automakers (Elio town hall meeting), so Elio can’t get parts.
      Paul Elio is playing the game well. Classified as motorcycle, so no federal crash standards. So feds don’t have to crash test it or verify mpg. Gets some states to waive helmet law. Why not get the feds to classify it as a car or some other vehicle? Doesn’t want to be held accountable to existing or new standards. Smart, however gullible people will believe anything Paul Elio says about safety and mpg with nothing being proven. So after delays, promises of being built, they decide to apply for a federal loan. Why not apply in JANUARY 2013? Or any other time in 2013? Naw, just delay, delay, delay. Make claims about a vehicle without ever testing it. EMPHASIS on CLAIM, with small disclaimer being “anticipated.”
      Yeah right this is a done deal. What year? At the rate Elio is raising money, to get to $200m it will take another 39 months. (based on fund raising to date from January 2013). Nothings a done deal.

      • LanceRooke

        Henry Ford invented something? What did he invent? The car? No. The internal combustion gas engine? No. The assembly line? NO! So what did Henry Ford invent? Paul Elio can be compared to Henry Ford in that they both modified transportation devices that already existed and went to great lengths to make their improved products available and affordable for everyone. Of course, while you’re right that it’s not a done deal until it’s a done deal, it’s certainly a safe bet. The fund raising isn’t going to be slowing down. It will be speeding up. Paul Elio’s vision is clearly gaining momentum.

        • AZ

          Henry Ford invented the moving assembly line. He also fought and won, that no one owns the patent of an automobile (look up George Selden). Fund raising speeding up? Consecutive t-shirt sales. Elio hardly a game changer. Yes delays are gaining momentum!
          First Elio was going to build 450k annually and needed $500m, buy a plant. No we’re going to lease plant, sales of 250k a year. We’re going to buy off the shelf parts. Except for engines, we’ll build our own. But in a recent article Paul Elio admitted he approached manufactures for engines, so why not be honest about approaching engine dilemma in the first place? Be honest and say we approached them, and decided it would be in our best interest to build our own engine, instead, being vague about that subject. He could have licensed the right to build existing engines saving engine development costs. Negotiating a (license)deal to build engines should be no different than negotiating any other deal for Elio.
          So Paul Elio makes a concept 2015 Messerschmitt and we’re supposed to be impressed? If this concept were so great, China would have copied it by now.

        • LanceRooke

          1. No arguments on the significance of Henry Ford’s achievements, but Ford did not “invent” the moving assembly line. It was not originally his idea. He merely adopted it. That’s well documented. 2. The Messerschmitt car is similar to the Elio. That’s true. It has the same wheel configuration. Big deal. Do you think that cars didn’t exist prior to Henry Ford? Ford improved on cars and brought them to the masses. This is what Elio is doing with the trike. 3. If Elio succeeds, his car will certainly be a game changer. It will change everything from how we consume fuel to how the auto-industry operates. 4. The Chinese don’t copy things until they’re commercially successful. Elio is brand new. Not even in production yet. Give it a few years. 5. As to the rest of your complaints, you are just splitting hairs. It’s to be expected though. Anytime something great comes along, there will be naysayers to talk trash.

        • AZ

          I see you didn’t look up George Selden. When did I say cars did not exist prior to Henry Ford? When did I say that. Messerschmitt has same wheel configuration. Messerschmitt similar in concept to Elio? Messerschmitt 1st, Elio similar in concept to Messerschmitt. Big deal. How about seating configuration? Concept of cheap, economical, vehicle Messerschmitt around over 50 years now, so if it was so great Chinese would have copied it by now. Talk trash, it’s funny how people want to believe in the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and Santa Claus and someone comes out and says, you know they don’t exist, and that’s trash talk. It’s not a scam, but Paul Elio is in over his head. He’s NEVER built a vehicle and he’s making claims he cannot P-R-O-V-E, a vehicle does not exist to prove ANY of his claims. Not safety, not mpg. Splitting hairs? Nothing but delays, word games by Elio since at least when I went all in April 2013. Oh no we can’t tell people how many people have put in reservations. After many requests, Elio still claimed proprietary information. BS. Than, changed their mind with no mention of proprietary information. Thought it was a big secret, competitors would use it to their advantage. That’s why I doubt those reservations numbers are real. It’s all a game with Elio. So I’m not going to pump up a company, influence others just because I don’t want to be the only one that loses money. Splitting hairs would be complaining about the $700 delivery charge, equal to 10 + % of the vehicle value. Compare that to a car, a car’s delivery charge is no where near 10% of it’s value. Their’s your hair splitting.

        • LanceRooke

          Listen, I really hate having to repeat myself in a discussion, but obviously I will have to in this case. The Chinese only copy things that are commercially successful. Messerschmitt was not a lasting commercial success. It didn’t catch on. There are several reasons as to why. Initially it sold well until the German economy improved. Then Germany became less pressed for answers on fuel economy. At this point, I don’t think we’re going to become less interested in fuel economy anytime soon, not to mention that nobody even considered the whole “green” concept back then in terms of carbon emissions. What we have now is the perfect conditions for the Elio to become a permanent commercial success. Or perhaps you think that fuel is going to get cheap again and that people will stop worrying about carbon emissions? If so, I disagree. Then you have to consider that the marketing was different. The Messerschmitt didn’t become the product that everybody wanted. The fact is, people want the Elio. Even you, a harsh critic, want the product. That’s successful marketing in action. Marketing will make or break the commercial success of any product. MP3 players existed before Apple’s iPod. But were they truly commercially successful? NO. Elio’s marketing is working. And no, I’m not feigning enthusiasm out of a fear of losing money. The money isn’t that big of a deal for me. Sure, it would be a shame to lose it, but I made the reservation because I want the company to succeed. Helping this come to fruition and seeing it take place is worth the risk to me. You talk about the lack of proof of Elio’s claims, but seriously, do you really need some extra proof that you’d use less gas in the Elio? Don’t you use less gas in a motorcycle? Didn’t the Messerschmitt use less gas? There’s virtually no way that this won’t be highly economical. Even if Elio misses his mark by 20 MPG highway, it’s still worth it. As to the rest of your complaints, including the silly comparison about shipping charges, you are absolutely splitting hairs.

        • AZ

          I think gas prices will go cheaper. Huh, what do you know they ARE going cheaper. I didn’t say they WOULDN’T use less gas, (You are just like Elio playing word games). But PROOF of what HE (PAUL ELIO) claims 84mpg, “Don’t you use less gas in a motorcycle?” not from the motorcycle riders I have talked too, I got better mpg in my car, than they did, and I showed them my logbook. The 5 star crash rating DOES need to be proven. If you want to take the word the of person that has never built a vehicle, about the safety of a vehicle without ever being proven, by all means, jeopardize your safety. Wow your brilliant, I clearly state shipping charge expense would be splitting hairs, and you stated my “comparison” as “absolutely splitting hairs”……………..ahhh duhhh I acknowledged it, get it? (No you didn’t, that’s why you repeated it). Toyota states the 2016 Prius will top 60mpg. I can believe that, they actually build cars. As far as not being concerned about carbon emissions, well has that not been addressed along with the new mpg standards? HHMMMM. I wanted the product a year ago, now disgusted with the delays, word games, line of bs from Elio. I can admit the truth.

        • LanceRooke

          Gas prices fluctuate, but they will not go down significantly any time soon. If you think otherwise, you are dreaming. If you think that cars use less gas than motorcycles, you are living in a different universe where the laws of physics don’t apply. Your point about the five star crash rating is noted, but I believe that Elio can make it happen. His points about safety are quite good. The thing about the shipping is not the only splitting hairs you’re doing. Virtually your entire complaint is one giant act of splitting hairs. From the time you made your reservation Elio has continued to make progress. I don’t think you have a good reason to be dissatisfied. It will be produced. Instead of panicking and making a stink, you ought to calm down and wait patiently. What Elio is doing takes time. So again, relax and wait.

        • AZ

          No, my Jetta TDI and my Spark got better mpg than the BMW and Harley riders I spoke too. As far as oil prices going down, what do you consider significant? Paying $4 a gallon to less than $3 (what has been suggested already) is significant to me, isn’t that a 25% drop? That’s not significant?
          Panicking? They have not raised the funds to go into production. Never made any mention of asking for federal funds, they had investors in place. All they do is have “special” tshirt sales on a regular basis. Elio clearly stated this last delay was due to funding. So it’s delayed 2 years from the time I was originally told. Progress? Elio and the volunteers all made financing, engine, plant EVERYTHING sound like a done deal. And yes I knew this was a gamble, but all the bs he’s laying out there now. I don’t believe him because NOTHING has been verified, and you believe,(5star rating) because you think that Elio can make it happen based on his word, (and nothing else). I’ve been down this road before (Persu). We have all these people working on the project.

        • LanceRooke

          Yeah, your opinion on motorcycle MPG is laughably wrong. Anyway, you can run around frantic and hysterical if it makes you happy. As for me, I’ll wait patiently. Even if it takes them two or even three more years to get the car produced, it will be 170% return on my original investment. Better than any bank and most stocks. So I’m not sweating the setbacks. You can tear all your hair out in the meantime if you prefer. It’s no skin off my nose. And when the car is finally ready, I don’t know about you but I’ll be happily driving my Elio around town.

        • AZ

          Really so I can’t take people who actually ride a motorcycle at their word? They don’t know what they are talking about, but you do? Sure. They work on their motorcycle but can’t figure out their mpg?…………If it takes another 2 or 3 years it will be irrelevant. And those people with refundable deposits will be asking for their money back. If it doesn’t come out, I don’t care, no skin off my nose. I’m not going to pump Elio up, persuading people to put down a deposit they cannot afford to lose. But I guess you’re part of the pyramid and have to pump Elio up.

        • LanceRooke

          If you believe that motorcycles tend to use more gas than cars, you are a buffoon. It’s not surprising that your friends are buffoons as well. It’s an incontrovertible fact that cars, which are heavier and wider, use more gas. The only possible exception might be gas electric hybrid cars which are not economically viable or 100% electric cars which are not widely available. As to your misguided opinion about whether or not the Elio will be produced, you can cram it. Time will tell who’s right and who’s wrong. As to whether or not there’s some risk involved, I’d suggest that anyone who wants an Elio but isn’t prepared to take the risk simply put in a refundable “want-in” reservation. I’m not “pumping” anything up. You are smearing Elio. And that is not acceptable. You doubt the company and that’s ok. But it’s nobody’s problem but your own.

        • AZ

          Hit a nerve? Obviously you don’t know how to drive for mpg. Ignorant. Here’s a term you should look up. Hypermiling. Smearing Elio? He clearly stated last delay was due to funding. So restating Paul’s comments is smearing? lol

        • LanceRooke

          Hypermiling is irrelevant. A very quick Google search will lead you to the fact that motorcycles use less gas than cars. That’s, again, an incontrovertible fact. Arguing against this fact is an argument against logic, reason, and physics.

        • AZ

          You are a joke. Irrelevant? You have people getting better mpg in their cars than motorcycle riders and it’s irrelevant? That was your whole argument, and you are too big of a coward to go on ecomodder and be proven wrong. I guess for you ignorance is bliss

        • LanceRooke

          It is irrelevant because you can hypermile with a motorcycle and use even less gas. Hypermiling is not an argument against making cars more fuel efficient and economical. It just isn’t. Sorry, but you are losing so badly that you’re grasping at straws.

        • AZ

          Wow you really are ignorant/buffoon/stupid. Remember what I said? Too complicated for you? Memory going? I said I got better mpg than the BMW and Harley riders I talked too. Get it now? Do you understand what that means? Comprehend what I just said?

        • LanceRooke

          You did an excellent job of creating a long winded ad homonym attack, but your irrelevant comments are not helping your argument. You’ve lost this debate. In discussions about economical cars, hypermiling is always brought up when the naysayer gets desperate.

        • LanceRooke

          And you can repeat the lie about how your car gets better MPG than your buddies motorcycles all you want but it will never be true. A quick Google search will show you that your assessment has been debunked.

        • AZ

          The only liar is you……………………keep pumping op the Bank of Elio, let people have their money tied up so Elio can make interest for the next ( ) years. Never said anything about helmet laws, now did I? No you are a liar. I said feds consider Elio a motorcycle. That’s it.
          There are museums with one off’s that never made production, even though they were good vehicles.
          Paul Elio compares himself to Henry Ford? He opens himself up to comparisons of all the other failed start up’s in the field. Compares reservation to actual sales of luxury brands. Also opens himself up to criticism. Compares himself to Henry Ford, based on price? Put America on wheels? America has never been off wheels since it was put on wheels. Comparison to Henry based on “affordable” entry level transportation? Well there have been MILLIONS of entry level cars sold in USA since the T and were just as affordable.
          Tata, Geely, Mahidra all looked at the entry level market (car, small pickup), and still waiting. They have something Elio does not have: money, backing, engineering, years of experience. Heard many different theories, safety, emissions, market smaller than expected for entry level vehicles. Volkswagen looked at 3 wheelers years ago, decided against it.
          You and your circle jerk of friends want to keep pumping this up without asking any questions, go right ahead. This last delay was due to funding. NOT a delay due to getting it right. Not a delay due to a need to reengineer things. So, questions to ask, if he is not looking for any more investors, why would they not come up with the money? Why would they willingly delay product? Sooner they get it out, sooner they get money back. What are the contingencies if 5 star crash test rating is not met? Do they have money to reengineer vehicle? How about mpg? Not meeting the 84mpg hwy rating, any changes now to get last couple mpg, unlikey to be cheap or inexpensive to correct. Of course one supporter of Elio on another site, suggested make change, and tack on new added cost to shipping charge. This supporter said it would an additional $500………..but shipping cost was already “splitting hairs” at $700, so what’s a $1200.00 shipping charge? The longer it takes, the less relevant it becomes (new mpg laws kick in), it’s not all about price. Parents will not put their kids in Elio if it’s not safe. All 3 musts have to be met to remotely have a chance at success if it ever comes out. I guess that’s hair splitting too, expecting Elio to put out what they claim, and when they claim for that matter.

        • LanceRooke

          Your last rant was particularly irrelevant. But in the end, time will prove who’s right and who’s wrong.

        • AZ

          No, because you didn’t read what I wrote. I did not say motorcycle’s could not/never get better mpg. Btw go back and read what you wrote. I said I got better mpg than the riders I spoke too. Is it my fault they do not ride for mpg? Is it my fault they don’t hypermile?

        • LanceRooke

          Imagine the MPG you’ll get hypermiling an Elio. I’m crossing my fingers for next year’s production launch.

        • AZ

          And obviously you don’t know what people do, it’s not just technique in driving. But to someone like you aerodynamics is nothing. Right? You know it all, I’m embarrassed for you. You don’t have a clue what ecomodders do.

        • AZ

          I see hypermiling is too complicated for you to understand, that’s why it is irrelevant to someone like you.

        • AZ

          After looking up hypermiling, look up the site ecomodder and while there you can cram it. Tell them they are wrong, and don’t know what they are talking about. You will be the bafoon. You need to educate yourself about driving for mpg.

        • AZ

          Trash talk is Paul Elio comparing himself to Henry Ford. Henry Ford did not sell motorcycles. Paul Elio comparing reservations to sales of actual vehicles, albeit luxury makes. What an ego. Hey Paul why not compare reservations to sales of Lamborghini’s or ultra luxury carmakers like Rolls Royce and Bentley? Hey why not throw in Paggani and Konisegg sales for comparison too? Makes as much sense. No can’t compare it to economy car sales like Civic. Nah, would make too much sense. Ah, Elio is not a car, first you called it a trike, now it’s a car? No it is not. Elio has more in common with a Leon Bollee(3 wheels) than a Model T(4 wheels). Paul will tell you adding a 4th wheel will hurt aerodynamics and mpg. VW concept Nils still very low cd with 4 wheels. Elio is playing the game, it’s a motorcycle, fine, no problem with me, but it most certainly is not a car. Polaris slingshot-motorcycle, Ariel Atom, Deronda-Car. Paul Elio has done nothing**, and he compares himself to someone that has built and sold CARS?

          **Did Paul Elio: sell 15 million units of 1 car line?

          manufacture planes?

          persuade the belligerent governments to end war
          invent something? anything? (People that grill have Henry to thank.)
          So to compare himself without ever having sold/manufactured a single vehicle for public consumption is awfully premature and certainly trash talk.

          But people are gullible enough to believe any, and everything Paul Elio has to say about his motorcycle.

      • Actually, Elio applied way back in 2010 but was rejected.

        • AZ

          Wow, did not know that. Now it’s really making.

    • Anybody can put together fancy board members. None of Elio’s board have made significant investments. Check their SEC and Arizona filings. Former Chrysler CEO? Yeah, he was barely CEO for a year. Wonder why? Doesn’t matter, because it’s not the names behind a product that matters, but the product itself.

      Elio has told me the engine machining was delayed so no working engine yet, but if they get it done in time then that is all that matters. No engine = no Elio. No loan approval = likely no production. Yes there are critics, accept it and quit your whining. Have you ever thought that the critics secretly want this to succeed too??? Some things are just too good to be true, so without criticism to make you prove you are good, then nothing would get accomplished.
      My dime about it.

    • Richland

      Arthur, I’m motivated to announce the sad facts, but the GM plant you made reference to is populated by two security guards the vast majority of the time. There has been no removal of existing automated tooling devices that were left behind when GM closed, the main reason is there is no demand for outdated/ancient technology [by today’s standards], automated tooling machinery that serve very specific functions. Most of these devices are assembled in a logical sequence to facilitate the construction of 3-4 makes and models of GM vehicles. The company that has researched the application of this machinery for possible acquisition to incorporate at their aged production facilities are known locally as ‘bottom feeders’. So far, no one is seriously interested in purchasing this equipment. Caddo Parish has generously allowed Elio to attempt to find buyers for this outdated equipment as they [Caddo Parish] will not spend the money in an attempt to market this machinery, it’s not economically feasible. I’m aware of these facts as I live here in Shreveport; and I use to work part time as an electronic technician for GM at this facility during 1990-1999. Thanks for allowing me to make these statements.