Elio Motors attempts to alleviate scam fears

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Elio Motors has come under fire of late with claims of its 3-wheel car being a scam, and we can understand why people would think that. Elio is doing its best to convince us that it is the real deal and have set out to alleviate those scam fears. The 3-wheeler has been dogged by setbacks, which means the company has had to push back its production and release, although this is a normal thing when starting a new project.

Why people think it is a scam – With Elio Motors being a startup this tends to raise the red flag and come to the conclusion that it is a scam; no matter what news comes out of the company it has been treated with skepticism. The thought of a three-wheeler that is light, great on milage and far cheaper than its competition would be hard to be believed, as well as the fact that deposits are being taken for a vehicle with no release date.

The thing is, people have been burned before by such claims, the Dale and Preston Tucker scams just two examples. Some of you also believe that Elio is taking far too long to get its three-wheeler into production, but you have to remember that getting everything in place does take time, but once all the pieces are in place, then production will follow quickly.

As a way for Elio to convince you and I that it is the real deal the company has decided to feature a number of news articles from some of the big players in journalism, such as the Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, ABC News, Forbes and many more. Looking over these articles briefly there seems to be no mention of a scam, and if it were, then surely these publications would ask that Elio remove them for the website?

Get up close with Elio – The Elio car could be coming to a town near you because the company is currently on the road and taking the car to you, and so you might get the chance to see what the car looks like for real. You will not only see the vehicle, but also ask some of those burning questions you want answered. Find out dates, times and locations here.

Do you think this is a scam, or the real deal?

Also See: Elio Motors canceled appearance reprises production fears

Elio Motors attempts to alleviate scam fears

 
  • Brust

    I placed a $500 non-refundable deposit knowing this could very well be a scam. The concept excites me so much that I had to roll the dice. I want to say that I helped get this company off the ground; if only in a very small way. If it doesn’t pan out; I will be selling my free Elio t-shirt for $500.00.

    • Klawrence357

      Not once have I ever thought it to be a scam. I have a $100 all in reservation. I would like to go higher, but that is not in the cards for me at this time. My biggest concern is that something were to happen, say they do not get the grant, and production never starts.

      • Brust

        Exactly, there are so many pieces to put into place before production can begin and I see funding being the biggest concern. If the federal loan doesn’t go through or if investors get cold feet; the whole concept could collapse. I am placing the odds of us seeing our money again at maybe 10%. So, it was a roll of the dice but I would take the chance again if given the opportunity. I respect Elio’s vision and want to be a part of it.

        • Michael L. Hoenig

          The Board of Directors includes individual members who could sit down, pull out a pen, and write a check today.

          And the project would be fully funded.

          The “investors” know what they’re doing…they are, after all, the Board of Directors.

        • Brust

          I understand. On the flip side; they could also back out and invest their fortunes elsewhere at a moment’s notice.

        • AZ

          yep so true. I went all in a year ago, ($1k) and now doubt very seriously this will ever make it to production..I don’t think it’s a scam, but Paul Elio is in over his head. They have been around since 2008 and have only raised 1/4 of the money they need. At this rate, it will be many, many years before production. If the Elio is so great, why are they having such a hard time raising money? As you pointed so many on the board could fully fund the project.
          I laugh when people say-see they lined up suppliers. It’s such a non issue. You lined up businesses to purchase parts from? That’s like Ford, Honda announcing who will supply the paint for their cars. Who cares. Pep Boys, ooohhh. Get some mules out there. Verify your claims……………I regret telling people about Elio. I sure hope they did not put money down based on my recommendation.

        • kenny_ray_58

          sorry about your loss ($). Great concept, but a scamming clown running it — it will never happen. There is no way they can deliver it for what the Japanese are selling a scooter!

      • Cathy Curtis

        It has been stated that should the financing not go through for some reason, the principals involved in this project have enough capital between them to self-finance the startup.
        Elio Motors will happen.

        • Brust

          I like that optimism, Kathy and I hope you are right!

        • Klawrence357

          I have also been wondering if there would be the possibility of GM or Ford, etc. wanting to collaborate with Elio to release this car. Even if Elio were to become a division of another company, the Elio three wheeler would be a fairly high volume product.

        • Brust

          Ford sells $40k F-150′s as fast as they can spit them out the door. They want no part of a $7k car.

        • AZ

          Why? Audi bought Ducati and ONE successful car line contributes more to Audi’s bottom line more then ALL of Ducati. I’m sure the same can be said of BMW (with BMW motorcycles). Being associated with a low end brand is not beneficial. Jaguar and Land Rover do not brag about being owned by low end manufacture Tata.

        • kenny_ray_58

          GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, et al Really don’t care about this, and even if they did, they would price it to actually make money on it! Currently, Elio’s numbers are completely out of whack! Profit is too low, and the sales projections are WAY WAY WAY too high!

        • AZ

          They haven’t stepped up so far. Latest delay (in supposed production) due to lack of funding. They could have funded it, and no more delays.

      • kenny_ray_58

        Hey, I got a bridge I’d like to sell you!

        • Turk .

          Kenny do you work for the oil company or the big three?

        • kenny_ray_58

          not hardly — I’m an aerospace engineer — car companies don’t pay like aerospace. I’ve got no dog in the hunt here — I’m just giving my opinion based on what I know about cars, manufacturing and engineering. Don’t get me wrong — I REALLY like the concept, although I prefer Gordon Murray’s T-25, which will seat three and get 74 mpg. It’s much more mature, and doesn’t’ require the numbers Elio is suggesting that they need to make money. As Brust posted — even he knew it could well be a scam, and in fact if it’s not an intentional scam, then it just lets on how naive Elio is.

        • RIMSPOKE

          I PREFER GORDON MURRAY’s McLAREN F-1 BUT THAT ISN’T
          AN ECONOMY CAR & NOT SOMETHING I WOULD DRIVE TO WORK .

        • kenny_ray_58

          The guy is a genius but I’m more of a T-25 guy.

        • 66shelby

          gosh you are annoying

  • Darrell Batchelor

    I reserved with a $100.00 non refundable deposit. I really like the concept of the car and believe that it will happen. The only thing I’m not quite sure of is the final price and the 84 MPG quoted, but I hope for the best.

    • jjthejetplane

      I am quite skeptical of that myself.

      • Darrell Batchelor

        I think they should have under promised and perhaps over delivered. Even at 60 mpg and a $7800 price tag, it’s still a game changer and would sell. Profit is not a dirty word and if you want your company to last, it must be financially viable. Money will be needed to pay back loans.

        • old1

          Seems you detractors want the price HIGHER? Could you work for the competition?

        • Darrell Batchelor

          I am an “All in” reservation holder, not a detractor. A company that
          does not make a profit usually ceases to exist in a very short time.
          (unless you are General Motors and can beg to the Government) No one
          wants this car to succeed as much as I do and I was willing to put my
          money where my mouth (and comments) are. Are you “All in”?

    • Michael L. Hoenig

      Currently at 81.4 MPG — When the current engine comes out of IAV’s final assembly line, and gets mounted in the prototype vehicle, the mileage tweaking will begin.

      And $7300 — still working weekly with their Partners to meet the $6800 goal.

      With all their Partners working *together* on one single product, the Elio, they’ll get all that done by Sept 2015, as currently scheduled.

      • AZ

        You mean after this latest delay? How many delays is that now?

  • Babba Ganush

    This is not a scam, the company has applied for a government grant. So IF it were it would be one of the most well orchestrated ones in history. With all that said, I am as well hoping that the 84mpg, and low costs holds up, along with the production date.

    • http://www.aaronsenvironmental.com MacAaron

      Solyndra wasn’t a scam either, by those criteria..

      • kenny_ray_58

        LOL, and how! 1/2 a trillion! scamming the government is nothing new!

    • Michael L. Hoenig

      They’ve applied for a loan…

      Not a grant.

    • kenny_ray_58

      as though scamming the gub-ment is a new thing? They’ve applied for a loan as MacArron said — I could do that! None of the numbers add up, and the G-men will spot that in a heartbeat! They won’t get the government money, and they will use that as an excuse to back off and keep people’s money!

  • Kent Beuchert

    I have to laugh at the sheer and utter ignorance of anyone claiming scam. I note that the arguments aren’t really arguments at all – no evidence, no rationale, just loudmouthed claims from ignorant folk unable to even characterize the state of Elio’s company. To enumerate: the company has 28,000 (mostly $1000) reservations from customers, has taken delivery of the engine they paid IAV to design for them, lined up dozens of suppliers, all of whom meet weekly with Elio to thrash things out ; they have successfully leased the old Hummer GM assembly plant in Shreveport and begun to make it ready for production, and the other day submitted an application to the Feds for a loan of $185 million to finance initial startup production. Reportedly, the loan application is being viewed favorably. Their final design details have acheived results very close to their targetted fuel economy and purchase price, and will get closer in the months ahead. There is, in my opinion, having followed closely this company’s efforts for the past year, almost zero chances that the car will not get built, or that it will diverge in any significant way from its promised price and performance characteristics. At this point most of the car’s design has been effectively frozen and almost all of the options have been decided upon and enumerated by the company, although exact pricing has not yet been achieved. An agreement with Pep Boys to provide warranty and maintenancce work has been in place for months now, and the sales locations have been chosen for the major marketting areas. All of the parts suppliers for this company are very well established and respected players in the automotive game – every one of them provides OEM parts and services for the major automakers around the world. These veteran companies are actively assisting Elio in parts selections, design, etc according to their respective expertise. Their remarks indicate that they are convinced the Elio is not only a go,but a significant automotive advancement. These are the folks to listen to when it comes to Elio Motors credibility- not some anonymous blogger whose ignorance of the Elio situation is patently obvious. The sheer stupidity of the skeptics has been rather astounding – some have claimed the Elio will fail because “Americans have never favored three-wheeled vehices,” which ignores the obvious fact that almost never have Americans been given the chance to buy a three-wheeler, nor the fact that the previous three wheeled designs ( the recent Aptera, for example) are enormously different in their pricing and practically everthing else (entirely diffferent drivetrain technology). The Elio is a very intelligently designed vehicle that fills an enormous niche in the automoive market – half the price of the cheapest four wheeled vehicle for sale in this country, with the ability to cut in half the fuel costs of that cheapest vehicle. This car will extend the new car market to that segment of buyers who could never before afford a new car and reduce their operating expenses enormously compared to the used cars they now drive.This car will, in my humble opinion, be the most significant vehicle produced since the Model T Ford.

    • ralphe birkett

      Kent,
      That is the most effective rebuttal against the
      scam issue I’ve ever read. I wished I’d said that.
      Please post that to FB if you haven’t already done so. There are a lot of people that need to be educated. THANK’S AGAIN!
      Ralphe #2821

      • kenny_ray_58

        don’t encourage anyone to send these guys money — see my rebuttal above. There is a lengthy discussion on the smart car website about this. We are small car enthusiasts and like the concept a whole lot; however, Elio’s numbers simply don’t add up. The price is too low, the profit too small, and the projected sales WAY too high! It just simply doesn’t add up!

        • JFalcon

          Are you a professor in mathematics?

        • kenny_ray_58

          One need not have a degree in mathematics to see this one coming, but if you must know, I only lack on class for a minor in math. I’m an engineer by profession.

        • Former_US_citizen

          At General Motors?

        • RIMSPOKE

          STILL , YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE OR YOU WILL GET NOWHERE .

        • kenny_ray_58

          No doubt. And now doubt there a a niche market for this type of vehicle; however, the way to start isn’t by borrowing 100s of millions of dollars of taxpayer with a horrible business plan! For the money they are talking ($6800) you might could do a kit car with a 250 cc salvage motorcycle engine.

        • RIMSPOKE

          MOST BUSINESSES BORROW MONEY TO GET STARTED .
          IF NOT FROM INVESTORS OR BANKS , THEN THE GOVERNMENT .

          THE AMOUNT IS AN ECONOMY OF SCALE . I TOO WOULD PREFER THAT THEY START OUT SMALLER AND BUILT PRODUCTION OVER TIME .

          PORSCHE STARTED IN AN OLD SAWMILL WITH ROOM TO BUILD ONLY A FEW CARS AT A TIME . THEY GOT BIGGER .

          YOUR “100s OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ” IS AN EXAGGERATION .
          THEY WENT TO THE DEPT OF ENERGY AND REQUESTED $185 MIL .

          DOESN’T MAKE IT RIGHT I WOULD RATHER SEE PRIVATE INVESTMENT
          & I AM DOING MY PART BY RESERVING TWO OF THEM .

        • kenny_ray_58

          $185 million is certainly not chump change, and I still believe if it’s a good idea and a good investment, you don’t need government money, no? there is capital out there, but they didn’t get their money being stupid with it. If there isn’t a business case, and it appears that Elio doesn’t have a good business plan, they simply won’t invest! BTW, I’m not nit picking and complaining — I’m trying to prevent people, who evidently don’t know any better, from getting ripped off.

        • AZ

          Your comparing Paul Elio to Ferdinand Porsche? Seriously? Look at what he accomplished before he started Porsche. He accomplished more, more accolades, etc., etc. Compare Paul Elio to Ferdinand Porsche? No, no, no.

        • RIMSPOKE

          I AM COMPARING THE START OF ONE CAR COMPANY TO ANOTHER .

          YOU REALLY ARE QUITE THE ARGUER .

        • AZ

          No, not really tired of ignorant posts about Paul Elio, comparing him to Porsche, Henry Ford, etc.. He’s not even Malcom Bricklin. Comparing Elio to someone that had more accomplishments, more accolades, knowledge about the product he was about to develop does not make sense, and does not merit such a comparison. Secondly the Elio is not a car. So why compare Elio to titans of the AUTOMOTIVE industry?

        • AZ

          Paul Elio has stated they need $200m to get vehicle into production. So $100′s of millions is not an exaggeration. (loan request $185m plus what they supposedly raised $55m).

        • AZ

          and what you completely fail to understand is that kenny_ray_58 wants people to be aware of the types of problems associated Paul Elio, and Elio Motors. I myself want people to know to this as well. If I can prevent one person from losing money putting a deposit down on this thing it’s worth posting. You, people like you ignore the financials, because you want this so bad you ignore the facts. Just because I’m going to lose money, doesn’t mean I want others to lose money. But you’ll be happy if others lose money with you? People that can’t afford it, but also want it to happen so badly they will listen to you and ignore the red flags.

          Roman “My advice is to forget about a reservation, and if the Elios start rolling out of the factory, wait until possible recalls to be resolved before committing to a purchase.”

        • kenny_ray_58

          as you pointed out Porsche started out small and then got big — that’s the way people do it, and not starting big with government money! And it’s not nitpicking to point out glaring flaws in their plan!

    • Michael L. Hoenig

      Quoted in toto and shared!

    • Smitty

      I agree! Just to clarify though, it’s not 28k reservations at mostly the $1000 level. The $1k all-ins is somewhere between 6k and 7k of that 28k.

    • AZ

      People believed the Yugo would be a success too………….Because it was cheap, and people that could never before be able to afford a new vehicle. blah blah blah..I have the heard the same arguments before, perfect timing, financial sense, was that what they used in the Messerschmidt ads? You know the 3 wheeler Elio is copying.

      • Chip

        The Yugo had four wheels versus three wheels. The complexity of not having to be a ‘car’ is huge. I’d never heard of this company before this article but if you know it’s rated as a motorcycle, $6,800 might seem extremely competitive but it’s a start-up.

        • AZ

          Complexity? 5mph law knocked down, abs not required, airbags not required, passenger side mirror not required, side impact protection not required. Complexity? Not when it came out. Now yes. Not when Yugo came out……..If you’ve never heard of this company, look up when it was formed, how many delays depositors have endured.. Look up how many start ups fail.

        • RIMSPOKE

          AZ , HAVE YOU READ THE SPECS ? .
          THE ELIO WILL HAVE 3 AIR BAGS , CRUMPLE ZONES , SIDE PROTECTION AND A RIGHT SIDE MIRROR EVEN IF IT ISN’T “REQUIRED ” .

        • AZ

          Yes. What are you talking about? You clearly did not understand the post. The Yugo was not required to have airbags, no longer needed 5mph bumpers, side mirror, etc. So the Yugo was not “complex” like Chip stated. It was inexpensive transportation.

        • AZ

          FOR WORST RESULTS , BLAME YOUR MISTAKES ON OTHERS ………..pot calling kettle black.

      • RIMSPOKE

        THE MESSERSCHMITT WAS IN PRODUCTION FOR 11 YEARS AND ONE OF THE
        MORE SUCCESSFUL MICROCARS . THEY ARE WORTH BIG BUCKS TODAY !

        EUROPE WAS MOVING UP SCALE BY THE EARLY 60′s AND MESSERSCHMITT FAILED TO DEVELOP NEW PRODUCTS . IT ENDED THIS WEEK IN 1964 WHEN THEY HAD A FACTORY FIRE .

        THEY WERE NOT VERY SUCCESSFUL HERE IN THE STATES BECAUSE THEIR
        TOP SPEED COULD NOT KEEP UP WITH HIGHWAY TRAFFIC & THEY WERE NOT SUITED FOR A LONG DISTANCE COMMUTE .

        THEN THERE IS THE EFFICIENCY ISSUE . IN 1960 , GAS WAS 32¢ A GALLON
        AND AMERICANS LIKED BIG ENGINES WITH HUGE HORSEPOWER .

        85mpg WAS NOT REALLY A SELLING POINT AT THE TIME .

        MY POINT HERE IS THAT THE ELIO WILL BE FAST ENOUGH FOR THE HIGHWAY
        AND BE CAPABLE OF DRIVING ACROSS THE COUNTRY .
        PEOPLE DID NOT CARE FOR THIS KIND OF EFFICIENCY A HALF CENTURY AGO BUT THEY SURELY WILL IN THIS DAY .

        I DON’T SEE HOW HE CAN DO IT FOR THE PRICE . I DO EXPECT FOR THE PRICE TO CREEP UP OR PERHAPS GET REALLY HAMMERED ON OPTIONS PRICES BUT I STILL PUT IN RESERVATIONS ON TWO OF THEM .

        • AZ

          But gas was more expensive in Europe, the economy was not as good in Europe. The roads in Europe are suited for vehicles like the Messerschmidt, and yet it did not sell in huge #’s. Even though the need was great in Europe. Paul Elio originally anticipated annual sales of 450k a year. Overnight(?) he decides sales will be about 250k. The longer it takes to get to market, the less relevant it becomes. If this was so great the Chinese would have copied it, and it would be on the market now. As I have posted, I put down $1k all in (April 2013). More delays, more special edition tshirt sales, and no closer to production.

    • kenny_ray_58

      seriously? They are projecting sales numbers better than the Chevy Cruise in order to make money. NOT going to happen — it’s utterly delusional! Do you honestly think they are going to make this in the USA, with American parts, for less than the Japanese can deliver a mid-sized scooter? Elio has also said if they don’t get millions of dollars in government loans (which they couldn’t possibly pay back) they won’t go into production. Your money is gone. I’ve also been following them closely and I say only divine intervention will net you a vehicle!

      • oldmagicman666

        Just GO AWAY ray!

        • kenny_ray_58

          LOL – that’s all you got? You should be more concerned about all of the people that are getting ripped off!

  • jjthejetplane

    100% scam free. I am really rooting for the guy to succeed. People are skeptical because there have been so many scams out there where people have gotten burned.

    • kenny_ray_58

      root all you want, the business plan is completely delusional — have you actually looked at how many cars this guys says they need to sell to make money? They’s be outselling the Chevy Cruise! Not going to happen!

      • Another guy

        They’ve already “sold” 30,000 the first year once they get producing… not a bad start.

        • kenny_ray_58

          These are people who bought t-shirts! Sure there are a few that have been swindled out of more… even if all 30K are a go, which they are not, Elios is saying they need to outsell the Chevy Cruise to make a peofit! Do you honestly think that will hapen? There is no way!

        • RIMSPOKE

          Jo BORRAS , IS THAT YOU ?

        • kenny_ray_58

          No, kennyrayandersen from the microcar website.

        • RIMSPOKE

          GREAT . THEN YOU SHOULD THINK OF IT AS A MESSERSCHMITT
          TIGER THAT YOU CAN AFFORD .

          I AM BUILDING A MESSERSCHMITT TG FROM “KIT” PIECES AS YOU HAVE SUGGESTED BUT NOT WITH A 250cc BIKE ENGINE .

          MY POWERPLANT IS A HONDA 600 COUPE ENGINE .
          IT IS BUILT ON A 1959 KR-200 TUB WITH ANDY CARTER FIBERGLASS PANELS FOR THE LID , NOSE , TAIL & ALL 4 FENDERS .

          LOTS OF WORK BUT ABOUT THE SAME PRICE
          AS AN ELIO . IT’LL EVEN HAVE A KR-201 TOP !

          MY ELIO WILL BE FOR THE WORK COMMUTE .
          THE TIGER WILL BE FOR FUN .
          IF IT WORKS OUT WELL ENOUGH , I MAY SELL MY KR-175 .

        • kenny_ray_58

          sounds like a great project. I just don’t see the Elio happening — WAY too many red flags. If it comes out then fine, but I wouldn’t put any money on it!

        • AZ

          No. A reservation is not a sale. There are fully refundable deposits, and non refundable deposits. And neither you or I have the breakdown of refundable/nonrefundable deposits and at what level. You should read the gripes on the forums about Elio design changes, so much so that it could prevent sales. If, and IF is the operative word here, Elio makes it to production, ALL the features Elio promised must be delivered, or he will certainly have class action lawsuits against him. Right now I paid $1k for a t-shirt, and the production date keeps getting pushed back, and I can admit as a nonrefundable all in $1k depositor, this Elio thing has a very small chance of happening. What will happen? Another special/limited edition Elio t-shirt sale!

        • Josef Roesler

          Didn’t read your contract very well, did you?

  • GEC

    Convinced with a $1,000.00 reservation!

    • Brust

      I hope you’re right. Let’s go ahead and work on our Elio wave if we see each other on the road. Or, will we be too busy avoiding certain death from a texting driver in a larger car? Bad joke.

  • Michael L. Hoenig

    It’s the real deal.

  • Alan Glasco

    I am all in for 1 grand. I love the idea that I will be able to drive to work and back for over 1 year on 1 tank of gas. (I live 1 mile from work so that’s 2 miles round trip 5 days a week) #4740 Oklahoma

    • Neil Herbert

      Use a bike you lazy turd

      • Alan Glasco

        I am unable to use a bike & 2 to 3 times your age. So stick it up your own A$$.

    • kenny_ray_58

      Sorry Alan I really do like the concept and have several small cars myself including a vintage FIAT 500 and an original Gen one smart fortwo; however, none of this guys numbers make ANY sense. The projected sell number is WAY too high and the profit is just too low. Additionally Elio is dependent on getting Millions from the government in order to get to production. They will NEVER give them the money, the business plan is just completely off. Good luck getting anything out of them, and I really mean that!

      • Another guy

        How much money will Elio make selling carbon credits? If the Govt. allows them, they could clear about $300M a year in them. Using products mostly off the shelf, no dealers to get “their share”, only 1200 pounds of raw materials, it’s entirely possible for them to hit their $6,800 price point.

        • kenny_ray_58

          That’s a business model? Holy crap! We as a civilization are doomed!

        • AZ

          Not going to happen. Change the law for a company that has not done anything. Have you been asleep for the last 6 years? Congress changing the law for Elio? Why. Stay asleep and keep dreaming.

        • RIMSPOKE

          THEY ACTUALLY HAVE CHANGED HELMET & ENDORSEMENT LAWS IN A DOZEN STATES . MICHIGAN EVEN CREATED A NEW CLASS OF VEHICLE CALLED “AUTOCYCLE” TO FACILITATE THE LEGISLATION .

          SCAM ARTISTS ONLY GO TO COURT AFTER THEY ARE CAUGHT .
          ELIO HAS SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN VARIOUS COURTS TO FACILITATE THE LEGALITY OF THEIR PRODUCT .

          PERSONALLY I LIKE THE AUTOCYCLE DESIGNATION . I HAVE BEEN DRIVING 3 WHEELED CARS REGISTERED AS MOTORCYCLES FOR 30 YEARS AND NEVER REALLY COULD EXPLAIN IF IT WAS A CAR OR A BIKE .

        • AZ

          States do not decide carbon credits, the federal government does. Congress has done nothing now for 6 years.
          Individual states changing laws about autocycle really means nothing. It’s like them dropping helmet laws in the name of “freedom.” Now these helmetless riders have to take out a bigger insurance premium(at least in Michigan they do)……….so these states that waived the helmet law for autocycle’s, are they going to make these owners take out a bigger insurance policy?

        • RIMSPOKE

          YOU ARE DRIFTING OFF INTO PARANOIA . THAT IS RIDICULOUS .
          WHO IS TALKING ABOUT CARBON CREDITS ?
          FOR THE RECORD , I DON’T THINK FRACKING LAWS APPLY EITHER .

          THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE GONE TO VARIOUS STATES TO MODIFY THE LAWS TO ACCOMMODATE ELIO OWNER SHIP MEANS THEY ARE IMPROVING THEIR MARKET . THAT ISN’T NOTHING .

          MUCH OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR AN ENCLOSED 3 WHEEL VEHICLE . IT ISN’T JUST ABOUT HELMET LAWS , IT IS ALSO ABOUT MOTORCYCLE ENDORSEMENT ON DRIVER’s LICENCES .
          DESPITE YOUR FEARS , THIS WILL NOT CHANGE THE LAWS FOR TWO WHEELED MOTORCYCLES

          MY APOLOGIES IF YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY GIVES YOU A BREAK FOR WEARING A HELMET WHEN YOU DRIVE YOUR CAR .
          I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT ON A POLICY .

          PERHAPS YOU NEED TO LOBBY THE STATES FOR HELMETS IN CARS
          AND SEATBELT REQUIREMENTS ON MOTORCYCLES .
          THAT IS ONE GOOD WAY YOU CAN FIGHT THE ELIO & BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME .

          HOWEVER , THE ELIO ISN’T CLASSIFIED AS A CAR AND WILL HAVE SEATBELTS . YOU WOULD WIND UP WITH 300 MILLION PEOPLE WHO DON’T OWN AN ELIO HATING YOU .

        • AZ

          “Anotherguy” brought up carbon credits. Talk about paranoia. Look at the I responded to, and my response. You are delusional. You do not read entire post, or have no comprehension of what is posted.
          Improving the market? It does nothing to bring the vehicle closer to production. Looking to the future if it is made? 6 years after company formed, still not one in production.

        • RIMSPOKE

          I WAS NOT RESPONDING TO “ANOTHER GUY” . I WAS RESPONDING TO YOU .
          IF YOU WISH TO RESPOND TO “ANOTHER GUY” THEN FOR BEST RESULTS YOU SHOULD TRY RESPONDING TO THE RIGHT PERSON .
          FOR WORST RESULTS BLAME YOUR MISTAKES ON OTHERS .

          YOU REALLY SHOULDN’T CRITICIZE COMPREHENSION WHILE YOU ARE
          WRITING THINGS LIKE : “Look at the I responded to, and my response.”

          PLEASE TRY TO STAY ON THE ROAD WHEN YOU DRIVE .
          I DON’T THINK I HAVE ENCOUNTERED AN AUTOMOTIVE TROLL BEFORE .
          PERHAPS YOU SHOULD STICK TO POLITICS .

        • AZ

          oh I forgot 1 word (post) it would not change your inability to stay on topic.
          A state does not have the right to change the classification of a vehicle. The states waiving the rights of not wearing a helmet inside in an Elio, does not mean insurance company’s have to recognize vehicle as an autocycle or whatever else you dream up. In the eyes of the Feds, it’s a motorcycle. An insurance company will recognize the Feds classification. You may legally drive an Elio without having to have to wear a helmet. But in so doing, you may have to take out additional policy and if you have a passenger not wearing a helmet, they will have to have additional policy too. It’s classified as a motorcycle.
          Does someone driving a convertible with the top down have to wear a helmet? No. It’s a car. An Elio, enclosed or not It is classified as a motorcycle. Can you comprehend that? Honda Goldwing has airbags just like the Elio (classified by Feds as a motorcycle), how’s the insurance on that? Can you comprehend the Elio only exists because it is classified as a motorcycle. A motorcycle. That’s what the feds say it is, just because you can’t figure out what to call your 3 wheeler, others have, and they classify it as a motorcycle. They do that to avoid the latest automotive requirements.

        • RIMSPOKE

          IF THE FEDS CALL IT A MOTORCYCLE , THE STATES CAN DEAL WITH THAT HOWEVER THEY LIKE . 10th AMENDMENT .

          HOW ABOUT KEEPING IT SIMPLE .
          ARE YOU REALLY THAT DESPERATE FOR AN ARGUMENT ?

          BY THE WAY , JUST BECAUSE THE FEDS CALL IT A BIKE DOES NOT MEAN THE STATES HAVE TO . THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE FREEWAY .

          WHILE MOST STATES WENT WITH THE FED’s MOTORCYCLE RECOMMENDATION , A DOZEN STATES DID NOT .
          HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA FOR EXAMPLE , THEY WERE TITLED AS CARS .

          I THINK THAT WON’T BE THE CASE WITH THE ELIO . THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE “AUTOCYCLE” CATEGORY AS A MOTORCYCLE DOES NOT SEEM TO GARNER THE CONTROVERSY THAT IS DID 30 YEARS AGO .

          NORTH CAROLINA IS A HELMET STATE BUT THERE IS AN EXCEPTION
          FOR 3 WHEEL MOTORCYCLEs WITH A BUCKET AS OPPOSED TO A SADDLE STYLE SEAT AND SEAT BELTS .

          CAN YOU COMPREHEND THAT ? AN EXCEPTION !
          I HAVE BEEN DRIVING BIKE PLATED FREEWAYs & MESSERSCHMITTs
          IN THE RALEIGH AREA FOR 30 YEARS & I HAVE NEVER EVEN OWNED A HELMET .
          ( MY FREEWAYS WERE ORIGINALLY SOLD OTHER STATES & CAME WITH BIKE TITLES )

          MOST STATES DON’T REQUIRE HELMETS ANYWAY .
          YOU ARE FREE TO WEAR ONE AROUND THE HOUSE .
          BASED ON YOUR COMPREHENSION SKILLS , IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED ONE IN THE SHOWER .

        • AZ

          Wow, you must need to wear goggles as not to poke your eyes out when using a fork. You do realize you started nit picking right? Not just my posts either………….Yes I can definitely tell you have never owned a helmet. LOL!!!

        • RIMSPOKE

          SORRY AZ , I AM DONE TALKING TO A TREE .

          COULD HAVE BEEN A NICE DISCUSSION . NOT YOUR WAY APPARENTLY .

        • AZ

          Really? You start off by YELLING. You know all caps is YELLING. You tell me to wear a helmet around the house, and when I return the favor your offended? lmfao!!!

        • RIMSPOKE

          WHO SAYS I AM YELLING , THE CAPS COPS ?
          DO YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET OR
          DO YOU JUST INSIST THAT PEOPLE TO DO THINGS YOUR WAY ?

          HAVE YOU EVER OWNED A VEHICLE THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED
          AN AUTOCYCLE ? I HAVE OWNED EIGHT OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS
          AND STILL HAVE FIVE OF THEM .

          PERHAPS YOU SHOULD GET SOME REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE ON THE SUBJECT BEFORE YOU WRITE BACK .

        • AZ

          Caps, it’s common knowledge. You notice, how, of all the respondents, you are the only one doing it? So you are right and everyone else is wrong?
          Autocycle, call it whatever it want, call it a magic carpet, who cares. It’s what the fed’s call it that matters. They decide minimum safety measures, emissions, etc. What do you think the insurance companies will do? What do they recognize? Well lets see, it’s classified as a motorcycle (feds) but it has seatbelts. I guess you have never dealt with an insurance company.

        • RIMSPOKE

          I AM NOT THE ONE TELLING YOU HOW TO WRITE .

          GO BACK & READ THE 10th AMENDMENT . IT WILL HELP YOU THINK .

        • kenny_ray_58

          I’ve know Rimspoke from a couple other forums — he simply refuses to type in anything but caps. Perhaps he drives slow in the left lane as well? I don’t know, but I don’t think he means anything by it. He actually has a popint — he in TC, the Elio would also be registered as a car, not a motorcycle. The reason they want to register is as a motorcycle is so they can avoid the safety stuff and testing associated with i, despite the fact that they say they are going for a 5-star safety rating. Of course they won’t get it, because it wont get tested — not to worry because it will never get produced!

        • Josef Roesler

          No states dropped their helmet laws. They modified their helmet laws to exempt autocycles. Nobody’s insurance will be affected.

      • grumpyoldman

        the United states only bails out giant companies that employ too many people to fail. They don’t look out for the little guy. We are sheep just waiting to be slaughtered by the rich who can’t get rich off of this guy. GM and Chrysler took the bailout money which would have easily been 7 times what he needs to launch his new company. It’s a money thing. He can’t grease the dirty politicians hands. Dirty, dirty filthy stinking rich people who don’t give a crap about the poor and down trodden.

        • kenny_ray_58

          LOL. The government shouldn’t have bailed out the big 3 (they would have been bought by someone and would still be making cars), and the government has no business giving this scam artist taxpayer’s money. The government isn’t a whole lot more corrupt than the people that put them there.

      • Josef Roesler

        Anyone who actually liked the concept wouldn’t have spent half a day badmouthing it with no evidence.

        • kenny_ray_58

          it’s not the concept, it’s the execution, and who is running it. Although as stated I think the Gordon Murray T-25 is more practical, gets virtually the same MPG, seats 3, and was specifically designed to be produced in small numbers at low cost.

  • Larry Waters

    I’m all in with $1000. I went in with my eyes open. I don’t believe it’s a scam at all BUT like any new startup of this type, there is the risk of car never making it to production. Investing in a startup is speculative. If you can’t afford the risk, don’t take it just like any other investment. I’m betting on Elio and look forward to taking delivery sometime next year.

    • kenny_ray_58

      It’s a scam — sorry about your $1000 bucks!

      • Former_US_citizen

        Better investment than $1000 on lottery tickets.

        • kenny_ray_58

          With a lotto you at least stand a chance of getting something other than a t-shirt!

        • kenny_ray_58

          With lottery tickets you’d actually have a small chance of getting something!

  • Gary Dunn

    At $6800 and 84mpg it sounded to good to be true, which made me skeptical. After reading and clicking on every link, video, blog seeing the complexity work that went into the website, reading the portfolio on the Board members, checking out each supplier website I new it wasn’t a scam. It is a business adventure, somebody with a great idea attempting to make something a reality from an idea. I’m all in for the $1000 and will have an Elio probably around October 2015.

    • kenny_ray_58

      you will never see your car. Do you really think they can build this in America, with mostly American parts, for less than the Japanese are selling a mid-sized motorcycle? LOL

      • nicky

        i would love to see this happen but if you do the math it doesn’t work. find out how much money they need and divide that by the amount of profit from each vehicle. i figure about $1000. it will take take 8 to 10 years with a production rate of 200000 each year before they see thier first buck. i hope paul is in this for the fun.

        • Josef Roesler

          He’s already a millionaire, so maybe he is.

  • Joey Howard

    I’m 16 and I am all in at $100, I believe I’m one of the only teenagers who have reserved one :)

    • kenny_ray_58

      too bad your parents couldn’t help you with the math — your money is gone! Oh well, consider that a pretty inexpensive lesson!

      • JFalcon

        I’m “all in” too, but I took the $1000 route with a 50% cash-back when the vehicle is delivered. I have faith this venture would take off and make my commute extremely inexpensive. It’s actually the first time I purchased any vehicle ‘new’ for which I could afford. Perhaps my money is gone now, but the final delivery remains to be seen.

      • RIMSPOKE

        IF EVERYONE THOUGH LIKE YOU , NO COMPANY COULD EVER GET OFF THE GROUND . THAT IS WHERE SELF FULFILLING PROPHESIES COME FROM .

        MAYBE JOEY DID BOW HIS DOUGH BUT IF NO ONE INVESTED ,

        THERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO INVEST IN .

        I WOULD RATHER TAKE A CHANCE ON THIS THAN LOTTERY TICKETS .

        I HAVE A $1000 RESERVATION AND ANOTHER $100 ONE .

        I DON’T NEED TWO CARS BUT IF THEY DO MAKE IT TO THE STREETS , THE FIRST 2 YEARS PRODUCTION WILL BE SOLD OUT IMMEDIATELY .

        I CAN THEN SELL MY SECOND PLACE IN LINE TO SOMEONE LIKE YOU WHO

        DOES NOT WANT TO WAIT .

        IF THINGS DON’T PAN OUT , IT WON’T BE MY FAULT & IT IS MONEY I AM WILLING TO RISK .

        • kenny_ray_58

          Hey rimspoke! If there really were a product like Elio is suggesting made by someone trustworthy then I ciuld see giving them some money. This guy has a dodgy history an an awful business plan so unfortunately it won’t go anywhere. I like the concept though I prefer something more like Gordon Murray’s T-25. Later, kennyrayandersen

      • SuckstobeU

        So is throwing your money into the stock market but more people will get burned doing that. Let the kid invest in what he wants. If you don’t believe in capitalism, you’re in the wrong country dude.

        • kenny_ray_58

          Don’t confuse buying a $100 t-shirt from Elio with an investment. I’ve been buy stocks and mutual funds for years and am way, way ahead.

        • Josef Roesler

          TROLL ALERT – kenny_ray_58

        • kenny_ray_58

          not trolling — just trying to save some folks from losing their cash! Think of it more like a public service!

      • RIMSPOKE

        THE FIRST RULE OF INVESTMENT IS DONT INVEST MORE MONEY THAN YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE .
        JOEY CAN PROBABLY AFFORD TO LOSE 100 BUCKS & HE MAY WELL GET HIS CAR WHEN THE TIME COMES .
        IF HE DOES , HE WILL GET AN ADDITIONAL 50 BUCKS OFF THE PRICE OF THE CAR .

      • LanceRooke

        Stop trolling

        • kenny_ray_58

          you, on the other hand, should send them your money now! Be sure to give them $1000 dollars! I mean if you have ‘faith’ it’s not a scam — put your money where your mouth is!

        • LanceRooke

          Not only did I send them 1000 dollars, but I’m all-in. Top tier. Looking forward to driving my Elio.

    • old1

      Joey, don’t listen to these heartless fools! Hang in there, by the time you get 18 you will have a great chick magnet!

      • Ted

        Too bad the chick sits behind you!

        • Josef Roesler

          Why is that too bad?

  • Pilgrim1620

    The reference to the Tucker being a scam shows that Chubb didn’t do his homework. The stock fraud trial showed that the accusations were baseless. Speculation at the time said that the Big Three automakers and Michigan senator Homer S. Ferguson also had a role in the Tucker Corporation’s demise.
    If the Feds can throw money away on electrics they can certainly provide Elio with help. We haven’t seen the impact of road taxes, the true purchase price (without government help) nor the impact on our diminishing electric power generation.

  • kenny_ray_58

    There are enough red flags that only the true believer would think that this thing stands a snowballs chance in hell of surviving. The profit margin is WAY too low, the numbers projected to sell are completely delusional. I mean does ANYONE think this will outsell the Chevy Cruise? LOL give me a break! The whole thing is hinging on whether Elio can get the government to dump in millions of OUR money. Only a moron would send this guy a dime!

    • old1

      Never thought of myself as a moron! Paul’s got my $1,000!

      • kenny_ray_58

        You might want to reevaluate. Although that’s a bit harsh — I’d use the word gullible or naive…

      • Ted

        Mine, too.

  • Roman

    It will take a while for Elio to get the necessary additional funding, whether private or federal, and I don’t see much hope for a start to production in 2015. While I do agree that the starting price will end up higher than the advertised $6,800, it’s not so difficult to see why a healthy profit margin can be had in a vehicle like this at a low price point. There are other motorcycles with more power and more tech at the same price point. However, assembly in the US will not be helping Elio increase profit margin.

    That being said, 30,000 reservations in such a short time for a vehicle with no definitive launch date and no established brand is a healthy sign that says “If they build it, they will come.” A vastly underestimated comparative advantage of the Elio is that it has no competition in its segment, period. It is in large part competing with used, aging cars that many will be itching to swap for an Elio. 35% of U.S. residents make less than $25,000 / year, less taxes, and most of them would like a commuter car that doesn’t cost them a year of income. Another highly overlooked advantage is that the Elio has already enticed highly populous countries like India and China (concrete reservation requests and inquiries). It also has exceptional potential for city rental fleets all over the world. For these reasons, it’s not hard to imagine the Elio catching up to the Chevy Cruze in nominal unit sales if it pans out, as Chevy has been selling only about 220,000 Cruzes per year since the 2010 inception.

    My advice is to forget about a reservation, and if the Elios start rolling out of the factory, wait until possible recalls to be resolved before committing to a purchase.

  • JFalcon

    @kenny_ray_58:disqus The proof is in the Pudding. An idea isn’t going to take off if people don’t invest in it. Discouraging investors in a good idea is something people do when they don’t want to see something come to fruition. You claim that people have thrown their hard-earned money away, but you don’t explain why. Citing past failures won’t stop something from becoming a success. I for one believe in this investment. A low price-point vehicle for short commutes with its proposed gas mileage (I imagine the numbers will be lower on average) is an awesome first-time owner commuter vehicle which is not directly a “motorcycle” will sweep the market once it becomes popular.

    However, I agree there is going to be a lot of skepticism about anything “game changing”, did I just throw $1000 away, maybe, or maybe I got $1500 off purchasing a brand new vehicle. It’s a gamble that I hope will pay off –either you’ll be eating crow or I’ll be eating humble pie. Cheers!

    • kenny_ray_58

      sorry if you missed some of the other posts. The problem is that at the pricing structure that he is pushing it simply can’t be built in America, and the margins per vehicle are so low that he won’t be able to make any profit. He simply won’t be able to produce it cheaper than the Japanese can deliver a mid-sized scooter! His stated sales numbers are completely delusional. It is an interesting concept, but it will never be more than a niche vehicle.

  • kickformoney

    Still waiting for my T.25 and T.27, and those were announced *years* earlier, by Gordon.Freakin’.Murray, at that. Things like this take time.

    • kenny_ray_58

      T-25 was designed to sell the technology, not to go into production. I have heard that the have sold some tech so lets hope someone will do somethng with it. It would have a much better chance at sucess than this one and it’s actually proven tech verses this pipe dream.

  • Scooter Rider Big Jibbs

    I was a believer at first…but after a few weeks I do not believe this will take off.

    I do think this is an incredible idea and it would sell if it would make it to the market and even if some of the specs were different than the current ones. One of them being the mpg. It would sell if it was lower as long as that price stays near what it is.

    The thing I see as being a major roadblock is the engine. It doesn’t exist so far.
    I own a Linhjai 300cc scooter. They get near 80mpg and go 70-75mph depending on what you weigh.
    Elio is trying to invent the engine they are talking about and ‘inventions’ sop up incredible amounts of money. Now look into 3 wheeled scooters and none of them go very fast and none of them get anywhere near 80 mph or mpg. You need a huge engine to go 80mph on a 3 wheeled scooter. You’re gonna be spending $7,000 to get a scooter that goes anywhere near the mph the Elio is supposed to and this isn’t counting the body paneling etc.

    This is going to be a huge problem for Elio.
    They will be trying to invent an engine….that gets mileage…from an engine that isn’t on any 3 wheeled vehicles yet….gets performance that nobody has yet been able to achieve….and do it cheaper than anybody has done it yet…..

    The hallmark of ‘new’ anything always always always = $$$$$ expensive.

    The only way Elio will be able to do this is if they get a major investor: the Government, another company or private funding.

    And it is going to take another 5 years if anything does come rolling off any assembly lines.

    Remember the prototypes that people are driving around in right now do not possess the engine they are going to use…so it is missing they key element that’ll be driving the entire vehicle and I think that’s for a reason….there isn’t a powerful enough engine existing to make this thing move for the price they want it to.

    Research the scooter market….they can’t sell the things for low enough prices to get rid of them and it toppled the American market so far (although I believe they are going to be a major presence in the future).

    • Darian Difrancesco

      To all of you who say no engine could do this. The Geo Metro has about the same engine they intend to use, and it gets 50 mpg, and weighs twice as much, and is twice as wide. Gee what if the Elio only gets 70 mpg on the highway.

      • Jon Good

        They just announced they are not using the Geo engine anymore. Do you know how hard it is to create a new engine??

        • kenny_ray_58

          not just hard — really expensive, that is if it is going to be modern, efficient, and meet emissions!

    • Josef Roesler

      Wow, you’ve been following this a few weeks and you know it’s not going to happen. Well, I guess that’s it then.

    • RIMSPOKE

      SCOOTER SCHMOOTER APPLES & ORANGES .

      THIS IS ALL ABOUT AERODYNAMICS . SCOOTERS & MOTORCYCLES HAVE AWFUL AREODYNAMICS .

      MY MESSERSCHMITT KR-200 GETS 80+ mpg & CARRIES TWO PEOPLE AT 60mph .
      IT WAS DESIGNED BY AN AIRCRAFT COMPANY AND HAD GREAT AERODYMANICS
      FOR 60 YEARS AGO .

      THE ENGINE IS A 2 STROKE SINGLE FROM THE STONE AGE COMPLETE WITH AIR
      COOLING , NO TIMING ADVANCE AND A CARBURETOR .

      IF THE KR COULD DO ALL OF THAT BACK IN THE 50′s , WHAT DO YOU THINK WE CAN DO TODAY WITH MODERN AERODYNAMICS , FUEL INJECTION AND COMPUTER
      ENGINE MANAGEMENT ?

      THE EFFICIENCY GOALS ARE QUITE ACHIEVABLE & REASONABLE .
      SORRY YOU ARE STUCK ON A SCOOTER , YOU SHOULD BE ROOTING FOR THESE GUYS !

      BY THE WAY , THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TEST RUNNING THE PROTOTYPE ENGINE NEXT MONTH AND HAVE 25 MORE PROTOTYPES BUILT WITH THAT ENGINE
      RUNNING AROUND THE COUNTRY EARLY NEXT YEAR .

  • old1

    Kenny ray – who’s paying you to post here? Just like obama you keep popping up spewing lies. WHY?
    What’s in it for you? If you think this is a bad idea just go way. You wont be missed.

    • Dwight Fisher

      Troll alert!!! Obama has nothing to do with this. Take the hate elsewhere.

      • oldmagicman666

        Everybody hates Obama! Figure of speech! You behind Kenny ray?

      • RIMSPOKE

        I DON’T THINK HE IS FAR OFF THE MARK .
        THE ELIO DOES SEEM TO HAVE ACTUAL HATERS THAT POST MISINFORMATION .

        I AM GUESSING THAT THE ELIO POSES A THREAT TO THEIR WORLD VIEW
        BY IT’s VERY EXISTENCE .

        THINK ABOUT IT . THE GREEN GLOBAL TREE HUGGERS PUSH LOW CARBON /ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES . THESE EITHER DON’T WORK VERY WELL , ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN MOST PEOPLE CAN AFFORD OR MORE LIKELY BOTH !

        ( THE VW 1L GETS 240 mpg BUT COSTS $145,000 ! )

        THE ELIO CAN TURN THAT THINKING ON IT’s HEAD BECAUSE IT CAN PUT
        HIGH MILEAGE IN THE HANDS OF ALMOST ANYONE & DO IT WITHOUT
        A HYBRID OR ELECTRIC DRIVETRAIN .

  • All in

    I may wind up having a very expensive T- shirt in my closet but just the thought of a vehicle at half the price of anything today makes me want to believe. Even if it only gets 50mpg and costs $8000.00 I’d be happy. I’m all in at $1000.00. In the mean time my 11 year old Chevy cavalier will have to do. Cars to me have always been a means to get from point A to point B with as little out of pocket cost as possible. Cheep price, good mileage, as few bells and whistles as possible. That’s what I’m looking for and Paul Elio says he can deliver.

    • Lee Burdette

      I think I got scammed.Try to log in . using my password with no luck .try to resit password, still wait for them to respond . nothing in two days. they are saying that they don’t have my name on file . they have my payment placed 8/19/14 order#1000027182. still waiting for the T-shirt.

      • Josef Roesler

        Idiot. Try doing some research before you complain about Elio.

        • kenny_ray_58

          a little sensitive? How much are you going to lose?

        • Josef Roesler

          Not sensitive at all, troll. The fool’s making accusations and he hasn’t even bothered to research how the process works. Now f@ck off, troll.

        • kenny_ray_58

          I’m sorry you have a little dique and and even smaller brain. if your don’t stop your are going to pop a blood vessel in that pin head of yours! oh well at least we won’t have to put up with your nonsense anymore!

      • RIMSPOKE

        I CAN LOG ON & GOT MY TEE SHIRTS PRETTY QUICKLY ( YES PLURAL )
        THEY HAVE REPLIED TO THE QUESTIONS I HAVE SENT THEM , NO PROBLEM .

    • ron

      I feel kind of stupid paying $100 for my t-shirt. At $1000? Holy crap. I’m guessing if you drive an 11 year old Cavelier your probably had better things to spend that money on.

    • LanceRooke

      I’m all-in at 1000 bucks too. It’s going to be my work commute vehicle. I can hardly wait to drive it. It’s very exciting! I’m getting tired of all the naysayers and Buzz Killingtons on here. The Elio is the best idea I’ve seen in a long time. The biggest complaint that I’ve heard so far is that it’s not available yet. That’s a pretty good sign as far as I’m concerned.

  • toejam

    hope its not a scam, but no way would I put money down on a vehicle not in production

  • peacefulpete

    An earlier poster correctly explained the problem….physics. The biggest red flag are the specific promises of mileage and performance when they don’t even have a engine yet. FACT: There is no current engine capable of producing the horsepower and mileage promised. That is, unless exotic and expensive technologies are employed, like hybrid or hydrogen fuel cells. I have researched the matter thoroughly using software designed for just such a project. A poster mentioned the short lived 3 wheeled HMV Freeeway got real world 80+mpg but had a limit of 60mph with the wind and took a minute to get there. It also was a 300lb fiberglass box with no crash protection and used a rubber cvt belt drive that lasted 500 miles. The promotion Elio vehicle uses an old Suzuki 3 cylinder drivetrain (from a Geo Metro) that gets around 48mpg and if really pounded might get 0-60 times in the 13′s. They are unlikely (read never) be able to achieve 84mpg that using a simple internal combustion engine. Yes, it is a scam.

    • RIMSPOKE

      PETE ,

      HAVING OWNED TWO FREEWAYS I FEEL SOMEWHAT QUALIFIED TO CORRECT YOU .
      THE FREEWAY HAS A VERY STRONG STEEL SPACE FRAME UNDER THE FIBERGLASS .
      THE CAR WEIGHS OVER 700 POUNDS . THE BELT CAN LAST 2-3000 MILES IN A PROPERLY SET UP COMET CLUTCH SYSTEM . I HAVE EVEN HEARD HIGHER .
      NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL GREAT BUT WAY BETTER THAN YOUR CLAIMED 500 MILES .

      THE MOTOR IN THE FREEWAY WAS A RATHER HEAVY CAST IRON TECUMSEH . IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO GO IN AN INDUSTRIAL TILLER .
      IT IS CARBURATED WITH NO IGNITION ADVANCE & DESIGNED TO RUN AT CONSTANT SPEED . ( IT DOES NOT BELONG IN A CAR )

      THE FREEWAY WAS POORLY ENGINEERED ( NO ACKERMANN STEERING , WHAT WERE THEY THINKING ? ) AND IN MANY WAYS POORLY DESIGNED & POORLY BUILT . ( NO VENTALATION , EZ-GO GOLF CART BRAKES , WHAT WERE THEY THINKING ? ) I HAVE FLIP OUT WINDOWS & DISC BRAKES ON MINE NOW , YEA I FIXED IT !

      THE COMPANY ITSELF WAS ALSO POORLY RUN & WAS MARKETED THROUGH MAGAZINE ADS (HE WAS TURNING CUSTOMERS AWAY UNTIL THEY DEVELOP A REVERSE GEAR , WHICH NEVER HAPPENED , WHAT WERE THEY THINKING ? )

      DESPITE ALL OF THESE SHORTCOMINGS , THE CONCEPT OF A HIGH MILEAGE , 3 WHEEL , BIKE PLATED COMUTER CAR WAS WHAT SOLD THE CAR .
      THEY DID MANAGE TO PRODUCE & SELL 700 OF THE LITTLE DARLINGS .
      BY THE WAY , THEY ARE A LOT OF FUN TO DRIVE AROUND .

      FROM WHAT I CAN SEE , THE ELIO IS A REVEVAL OF THE OLD FREEWAY CONCEPT
      BUT THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT THAT HMV DID WRONG .

      THE ELIO WEIGHS 500 POUNDS MORE THAN THE FREEWAY BUT WITH MODERN AERODYNAMICS , COMPUTER ENGINE MANAGEMENT & FUEL INJECTION THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THEIR GOAL OF 84mpg & POSSIBLY EXCEED IT .

      THE FACT THAT THE ENGINE IS UP FRONT WILL MAKE IT MORE STABLE THAN
      THE FREEWAY OR MESSERSCHMITT ( I HAVE SOME ‘SCHMITTS TOO )

      SO CALL ME A SUCKER . I WANT AN ELIO & I HAVE A $1000 RESERVATION .
      IT IS THE CAR I HAVE BEEN WAITING 25 YEARS FOR .

      I HAVE NOT INVESTED MORE MONEY THAN I CAN AFFORD TO LOSE .
      I AM DOING MY PART TO GET THE ELIO OFF THE DRAWING BOARD & ON THE ROAD .

      IF YOU KILL IT OFF BEFORE IT GETS STARTED , ALL YOU HAVE ACHIEVED IS A SELF FULFILLING PROPHECY

  • peacefulpete

    Mercedes looses $6000 per Smart Four/Two sold. And they sell for $13,000 average.

    • Josef Roesler

      Mercedes sells a $13,000 car? Where?

      • kenny_ray_58

        MB owns smart car, which makes the smart fortwo. Obviously you are really up on the whole microcar thing huh?

        • Josef Roesler

          Did I say I was, troll? I’m interested in Elios, not MB. Now f@ck off, troll.

        • kenny_ray_58

          are you drunk, or simple the biggest *sshat on the planet? either of those would explain your last post! p*ss off!

        • RIMSPOKE

          THE SMART CAR STARTED OUT AS A PROJECT OF THE SWATCH WATCH COMPANY .
          THEY EVENTUALLY REALIZED THAT THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS BUILDING CARS AND SOLD THE PROJECT TO M-B.

        • kenny_ray_58

          That’s a good point. I believe at the time they [Swatch/MB] were already into it over 4 billion Euros! It’s hard to put the blame all on Swatch since they were partnered up with MB from the start. Reality is that it takes a huge amount of money to bring a car to market. Elio is terminally short-funded, and there is no one to bail them out once they have burned through the investor’s money. The government gun-shy after the Solandra debacle will never lone they any money; so, according to their own statements they won’t go into production. It won’t be his ‘fault’ as he will blame it on the governments failure to loan him the money!

        • RIMSPOKE

          NOT ONLY ARE YOU A PROPHET OF DOOM , ONCE AGAIN ,
          YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT .

          SWATCH SOUGHT AN AUTOMOTIVE PARTNER ON THE SMART CAR PROJECT BUT IT WAS VW THAT THEY FIRST PARTNERED UP WITH ,
          IN 1991 NOT MERCEDES BENZ .

          TWO YEARS LATER VW GOT COLD FEET AND BACKED OUT OF THE DEAL . MERCEDES STEPPED IN IN 1993 .

          THE INITIAL INVESTMENT WAS 100 MILLION SWISS FRANKS , 1/2 OF WHICH CAME FROM MERCEDES .
          EUROS DIDN’T EVEN EXIST AT THE TIME MUCH LESS 4 BILLION OF THEM .

          NOTHING YOU HAVE SAID ABOUT THIS IS RIGHT .
          I DON’T FIND THAT TO BE VERY SURPRISING .

        • kenny_ray_58

          What I read was at the time swatch bailed the total investment to that point was 4 billion euro. That doesn’t sound particularly far fetched thought the source could be wrong. That doesn’t change the FACT that this scammer can’t producr a made-in-the-US scooter for less than the Japanese deliver a mid-sized scooter! I like the concept – love the freeway, but this will go the way of the Sparrow!

  • Richard Sauerzopf

    This car, I believe, will fundamentally change the market, because Elio has correctly identified a potentially huge and presently unmet demand, or niche. Until now, the all time number one genius in this area was Lee Iacoca. And Genius he was, as an executive at Ford and then Chrysler, again and again he proved that he had a fundamental understanding of the US Automobile market. He understood what people wanted before they themselves knew it, with the Mustang, the Pinto, which was a huge market success for Ford, even though the Runabout had some rather dramatic safety problems, and at Chrysler, he understood the need to keep the Omni/Horizon, and turn it into the cheapo workhorse that it became, as he went on to save the company with the Kcar and the Minivan. Whether you like any of these vehicles, you have got to admit that they all involved identifying and satisfying an enormous potential demand. This is what Elio has done. For many, it will be as the founder likes to say, the ‘and’ rather than the ‘other’ car, serving as it will as a second or even third personal commuter/errand car in a multicar family. For many others, however, it will the the only car they will own, and for many of those, it will be the only car that they want to own. This car has everything that the Smart car needed to succeed in the North American market, without any of the liabilities of its funky transmission which hardly anybody likes, and its high cost, which it shares with so many hybrids which seem more to be expressions of personal style than serious means to seriously reduce North America’s dependence on foreign petroleum and the trade deficits which come with it! If you want to consider the potential for this vehicle, forget about whether you, personally, like it its style or concept, and ask instead, where could it fit in today’s auto market. With younger drivers, students, and many seniors, it could be just the ticket, as it might also provide a nifty and cheap zip around town/commuter car. Add to that the fact that because it is technically a cycle, it can be driven in MOV lanes, which are so very coveted in so many of our nation’s major metropolitan regions with nasty commutes, such as Washington DC.

  • sweddysack

    id buy one when it goes into production, probally gonna cost bout 8500 and get 60 mpg highway.. i see starting off slow maybe 500 employees making 20000 a year. hope it works

  • wildcat fan

    Scam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! l tried to pay my deposit in person with a money order which is legal tender. Elios hinchman-salesman said they would only except gift cards/credit cards only online.No payments bymail .I believe they dont w ant a paper trail !!!!¡!!! I use to want one real bad !!!!! last year they said it would be in production by now. What a lie ! One lie after another. My money wasn’t good enough so now I feel like I won the lottery in stead of this pipe dream Elio/Vassolo are trying to sell us……………..maybe they will put a hot tub in it? SCAM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????pissed in Tucson!

    • wildcat fan

      I am a true wtb. Elio owner! But every thing I said in my 2 other post is true! I am not a jurnelest,or an English grammar teacher… I am a Viet Nam combat vet.

  • wildcat fan

    Talk Is CHEAP Ship or Get off the pot. I want one but only after they go in produtcion.