Updated: Microsoft Surface Pro 2 months on

By Peter Chubb - Apr 6, 2013

It’s been almost 2 months since the release of the Microsoft Surface Pro, and if you thought sales of the RT were a disappointment, then the sales figures for the Pro last month would not have been very welcome. Just last month we learned that total sales of both Surface devices were around 1.5 million, although this is around 50 percent more than analysts had predicted.

Microsoft should not get complacent about those sales figures because we don’t expect sales of the Surface Pro 2 months on to be any better than last months pattern. The reason we say this is because the figure above included the RT, and that model was released back in October.

When you look at it like that sales have been dreary for the Surface, and this shows that consumers and business users are not automatically buying Microsoft products anymore because they now have a far greater choice. It’s no secret that Microsoft is having a hard time competing with Android and iOS devices, but you have to admire them for sticking at it.

So what’s wrong with the Surface Pro? The hybrid device has various shortcomings, but the biggest issue has to be Windows 8. This operating system has not been well received since its release, but there is light at the end of the tunnel, as Microsoft is working on an update, although this is still way down the line.

We’re not saying the Surface Pro is a bad device, as there are several great things about it, but there is a growing concern that the tablet or whatever you wish to call it is overpriced, irrelevant and rather useless. However, it’s clear that not all of you agree with this, because those who have purchased one will tell you that the Surface Pro is an amazing machine, but was not released at the right time. So where do you stand?

Update: Even though sales seem a little slow, we have to remember that there have been several stock shortages for those trying to get their hands on the Surface Pro, which would have affected sales figures. We also need to take into consideration that availability have been limited to certain countries, but all that will change when the Pro goes on sale in UK, France, Germany, New Zealand and Australia in the second quarter. That’s not all, the Pro has already gone on sale in China, so we should see those numbers increase at a dramatic rate.

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  • IAM

    The shortcoming is certainly not Windows 8 as it works great on a touch device. The reason I and probably many people are waiting is for the short battery life.

  • Eric

    Useless lol. Windows 8 runs great on the surface. I cant Run any of my work software on any other OS than windows but to you its useless ( go surf the web some more). I have 4 computer all windows 8 and iam getting a touch screen as one of my 8 monitor work setup.

  • paula

    Yeah Im one of those who love Surface and will stick to it no matter what. I love to use both mouse and stylus while I’m working, I love to use just the screen keyboard as well as the cover keyboard. I don’t mind at all the price, since I don’t need a laptop anymore.

    But what I love the most is to have an option besides St Jobs and his army of sheeps.

    Maybe I’m old but I believe that all the “App” fever is just a generational thing that will pass and die before it reaches a decade.

  • Windows 8 is a great operating system, I have been using it on my PC and also on my surface RT. I cant wait until the surface pro comes out in the UK. It will make my work at customers sites so much easer.

  • JasonEnzoD

    The only advantage offered by the Surface Pro is its size. They’ve managed to cram a PC into a tablet form. So what? Its just made it fragile and traded off a number of other things, and for what? Size (and weight) aren’t that much different to a laptop. And you still need a bag to carry it in.

    Using it with a keyboard on your knee, for example when on the sofa or on train, is a dangerous balancing act. Holding it with one hand is like 5 minutes maximum.

    Yes it is a niche product – aimed that the Microsoft fan niche.

    • WP7Mango

      Let me ask you some questions…

      Suppose Apple made a hybrid device running MacBook internals with a detachable touch-screen (like the Surface Pro, or Lenovo Helix). Would you buy one?

      Why do people buy keyboards for their iPads? Is it to make the iPad more of a productivity device? If so, then what is wrong with applying the same logic to the hardware internals and creating a full productivity tablet such as the Surface Pro?

      • JasonEnzoD

        No. For me a tablet will never replace a desktop for office use, or the laptop as a mobile device, because they are more powerful and more comfortable to use. If my laptop weighs 0.3 kg extra and is 0.5 cm thicker, so what? I don’t mind that extra weight and size. If anything it means it’s more robust. You can do everything with a laptop, and more, that you can with a tablet, for a lot less money. The batteries on my laptop last all day, plus I carry a spare, fullt charged battery. That means I NEVER have to worry about finding a socket to charge it. My alptop is more powerful, and has a good keyboard, has plenty of ports, and is REPAIRABLE!

        For me the appeal of the tablet is its simplicity, both in clean design and functionality. I don’t want or need a keyboard on my tablet. I like the clean, simple tablet feel. That’s why I like Apple. Bot the design and the iOS is simpe. I don’t have to worry about files, viruses, backup. I work as an IT manager in a Windows environment, so perhaps you can understand why having a simple device like a mini-iPad just for casual use is appealing to me. Plus the apps store for the iPad is very rich filled with many quality apps. What does Metro offer? The only Metro apps worth using are the calendar, mail, skydrive, news and weather. They are little more than widgets found on the start screen for quick access.

        • WP7Mango

          You didn’t answer my second question. Why do people buy keyboards for their iPads?

          What does Metro offer? It offers the same walled garden approach to iOS, but it offers greater flexibility and capability. For example, you can view two Metro apps on the screen at the same time in “Snap” view. So I can be following a chat session whilst reading the news at the same time. This is just one example of how the simplicity of Metro gives similar benefits to iOS, but with a better experience in Windows 8 Metro. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a lot of improvements needed in Metro, but it’s still a better tablet experience than iOS. Whilst I certainly appreciate the appeal of the iPad to you, it’s simply too restrictive for me even for casual use as a consumption device.

        • JasonEnzoD

          I did answer your second question in a roundabout way. I said I don’t like keyboards with tablets, including the iPad. I would never want to use one. Btw I use a mini-iPad that fits in my pocket. I prefer voice recognition technologies.

          I totally disagree with you that Metro is better than iOS, because the apps for Metro are terrible. The problem is apps aren’t needed for the Surface Pro, so the only reason for people to develop them is for the Phone. Let’s face it, the RT is dead…

        • WP7Mango

          OK, here are some examples of how Metro is better than iOS –

          1. Multi-user support. I can have people sharing my tablet and everyone gets their own account with their own apps installed, their own contacts, etc etc.

          2. Running two apps on the screen at the same time, side by side (one in “snap” mode).

          3. Live Tiles

          4. Deep-link shortcuts – these are live tiles which link to a subsection of an app, which makes it much more efficient for organising your workflow. Saves having to open the app and then navigate to that subsection.

          5. Support for millions of existing USB and wireless devices.

          6. Support for expandable storage, either with SD cards or USB sticks.

          7. Better touch-screen keyboard options.

          8. Support for WACOM digitisers – this is superior to any capacitive pen. The difference is very clear when using Metro apps such as Fresh Paint, because the WACOM stylus is pressure sensitive making the painting experience much better.

          There are many other advantages, but I can’t be bothered to list them all.

          If Metro apps are terrible (and I agree that many are), that’s down to the developer and not Metro itself. There are some excellent Metro apps available.

        • JasonEnzoD


        • Most of these reasons are exactly why the only tablet I have not given away a month after owning it is my pro. I adore my pro! I literally threw my 128gb ipad in thw trash after using my pro for a week!

        • Clearly haven’t used any Metro apps, LOL.

        • BigMoneyJayDawg

          Metro is so “horrible” that Apple tried to mimic it a bit with the look of ios7. Metro live tiles blow away Android widgets that are buggy, clumsy memory and batter hogs. The app limitations are more due to to Microsoft being late to the table, they will catch up in time. Even Wozniak made a comment that “…it’s as if Steve Jobs was reincarnated at Microsoft” in praising Windows 8

    • You have clearly NEVER used a Surface Pro. I used one DAILY, and everything you’ve said here is patently *wrong*. First, there’s nothing “fragile” about the Surface Pro other than the glass, which–news flash–is fragile on anything that’s made of it. Try dropping your iPad glass-first on the concrete, or your Nexus, or Galaxy Tab. Go ahead–I’ll wait–let’s see what happens.

      Not much different from a laptop, really? The Surface Pro is comparable to an Ultrabook. The average ultrabook weighs about 3 pounds. Surface Pro weighs 2 pounds. Needing a bag to carry it in is a problem? What portable computer do you *not* put in a bag or case of some kind? When I owned an iPad, guess what? It was in a case that made it probably triple the thickness of the device. Just about every iPad I see in the wild, is in a case.

      A “Dangerous balancing act” to use the Surface Pro with keyboard on your lap? No it isn’t, I do it all the time! I sit on the couch, on a chair–hell, I do it in the CAR while my fiancee is driving and guess what–I don’t have a problem. It works *fine*.

      Holding it one handed is 5 minutes maximum, is it? Then, do tell–how is it I manage to do it for hours while reading, holding it in–wait for it–the same position as I used to hold my iPad? How is it that my fiancee, a classically trained illustrator with a Fine Arts degree, can sit and paint beautiful, highly detailed pieces of art–which, by the way, she couldn’t do on the iPad because its stylus compatibility is awful and the software supporting pressure sensitivity is nonexistent because the hardware doesn’t have any. How? Because it’s not too heavy, not too fragile, and not too niche.

      What the Surface Pro IS and the iPad/Android tablets are NOT–is a real computer, capable of doing real work or simply sitting back and enjoying a video or an ebook.

  • Bryan Bruce

    I am a very big fan of Windows 8. I am Surface RT fits a need for me-

  • LAcyclist

    For those who are hungry for apps, I should also add…
    The Microsoft app store is indeed very anemic. But I have been running Android apps on my Surface Pro through Bluestack. It’s still beta but it works pretty well. All the apps that I have grown to love, Flipboard, Google Maps, etc. all run.

  • LAcyclist

    Before my Surface Pro, I had a 13″ MacBook (non-retina) and an iPad. I also have a Nexus Galaxy Android phone. When it comes to devices I am flexible. I have had the 128Gb Surface Pro since launch date. I thought I would hate Windows 8 because of all the bad reviews and I really did love OSX. After 2 months, the Surface is the only device I am carrying around now (and my Google phone). There are some compromises, particularly the fonts in non-Windows 8 programs could be really tiny. I set resolution to 1600×900 and 125% (or 150% if you want bigger) and that’s works most of the time. But I am beginning to appreciate some of the touch features on Windows 8. Windows 8 certainly wasn’t as horrific as the reviews suggested. I still like OSX, but the form factor of the Surface Pro combined with its versatility is a big plus.

  • I love my Surface Pro. It does everything beautifully, and is light and powerful as well. Long Battery Life, too. 5 stars.

  • How could the Surface Pro sell well, when they’re not selling them anywhere? Well, except some few places in the States and that’s it. Surface RT came here in Finland just a month ago and just like the RT, when the Pro gets sold here, it’s already old news.

  • so all the comments are positive for Surface Pro. The author of this blog post should accept that Surface Pro is great device that people like. I personally would like to see to be little cheaper.

    • JasonEnzoD

      The only people who like them are Microsoft fans who buy them or who intend to buy and they’re the ones who then write reviews because they are so engaged. Everyone else probably doesn’t even no they exist – and couldn’t care less.

      • WP7Mango

        Not really – the people who like them are the people who want a tablet form factor with laptop power and capability.

        For me personally, the iPad is useless (it’s a fine device, but no fit for purpose in terms of my requirements) because it’s not powerful enough and far too limited in terms of capabilities. The Surface Pro, or any other Windows 8 tablet, is perfect for my needs.

        It’s like having a MacBook Air 11″ and an iPad combined into a single device.

      • Knuck

        I used to be an Apple fan and my first iphone was amazing, but I got frustrated about being tied down by apples rules so i switched to android which I now prefer.

        When tablets hit the market I liked the idea of them but again too restrictive. I get tired of spending hours and hours looking for decent office apps and always feeling disappointed.

        I will be buying a surface pro but I am not a MS fan. I am someone who has certain requirements. Android and Apple cannot meet these requirements but MS can with the pro.

        For me it is a logical decision, so no, MS fans are not the only people that are buying these.

        • JasonEnzoD

          It seems that people are getting it because it’s little and runs Word?

          Years ago I had a netbook with Ubuntu on it. If I still had it today I’d install the latest versions of LibreOffice and Zotero on it, because for creating and editing professional text documents (such as research papers) that software combo is brilliant, and if required, can save in docx format. Zotero is free and it’s by far the best citation system.

          I’d much prefer to see the netbook form make a comeback, but this time with all the latest powerful hardware (including touch). That’d be great – my ideal portable machine. Small, solid and robust.

  • “consumers and business users are not automatically buying Microsoft products ” In my home I have two pcs (one desktop powered by AMD) and one Asus UX31 Prime ultrabook, and a surface RT and I am in Portugal very far away from where you are dude! Then at my work, there are 4 ipads and those 4 persons also own 4 laptops to work, and also some pretty good Windows 7 powered laptops at home, they use the the ipad at work to…guess what…. play a farm game!!! 🙂 Lol come on!!! (serious talk ipad vs Windows 8 intel devices?) and all the rest of 60 persons in the department have only laptops and of course smarphones, and guess what?. What smartphones did the company choose for the workers? that’s right Nokia Lumia 700, 800, 900 and 920 powered with Windows 7.8 and Windows phone 8 OS.
    So, thinking of that and thinking of the millions of licences sold for the Windows 7 and Windows 8 that surpase by large the number of sold IOS and Android and Linux combined, I wonder “U” is the competition for Microsoft cause currently I don’t see it! Wait…maybe I have to use some Google Glasses? Lol, Chill out man, pundits trashing good products days are over, and you can check that out on the rest of the comments below. dahhh!

  • Von

    Love my Surface Pro….try running Photoshop, Illustrator,and CorelDraw X6 on an iPad won’t happen. The Surface is an adult tablet/computer to be productive on the road.

    • RRLadyTeacher

      You are so right Von…. This is not a toy. It has so much more going for it!

  • JasonEnzoD

    I don’t understand the advantage of using the Surface Pro over a laptop with touch screen – if you want a keyboard that is.

    • RRLadyTeacher

      Having a keyboard or not…. that is that advantage of the Surface Pro. When you are on the go, you have a touch screen that is very easy to use. But when you want to use Office, you have the convenience of the keyboard right in the cover. So, one machine with the best of BOTH worlds!!

      • JasonEnzoD

        The only advantage it has is it’s size – it’s smaller than a laptop. Everything is else is traded off for this. And yet, you still need to carry it around in something. If you normally don’t carry a bag, then you need a special bag for it. So now the advantage is that it’s slightly smaller than case than a laptop case. I suppose if you’re a lady you can pop it into your handbag.
        For myself, I work as a software developer and with graphics software, desktop pc with a mouse and a big screen is — and always will be — my preferred tool for this kind of work. A laptop serves me when out of office.
        A tablet will only ever be supplementary to my needs, and therefore, the iPad-mini, which fits into my coat pocket, fulfils this need just fine.

        • Joeschmoe

          I thought you said you were an IT manager from a few posts back?

          This all make sense now. Yes, a software developer has quite different requirement than a traveling salesperson or executive who is always on the road.

          If you really were an IT manager like you said in your previous post, you need to consider the need for all of your users, not just yourself. Does your CEO really want to be flying around with a powerful laptop AND an iPad mini in his/her pocket? Can your traveling users really accomplish what they need with nothing but an iPad mini? When your pre-sales engineer goes to a meeting and take notes, do they really want to be typing in front of the customers or would they rather be taking notes in a non-intrusive (noisy) way such as with the included Wacomm pen?

          I’ve done pilot deployment for Surface Pro for the company so I can tell you from experience that this thing IS fast. It is faster than most laptops in my company (i5 with USB 3.0)

          Please do not criticize a product you have not tried out yourself. I would much rather trust an user who purchased a product and loving it than anyone who diss a product and have never used it.

        • JasonEnzoD

          I work mainly as a software developer and teacher in graphics, but I have a secondary roles as IT-manager. There are only 50 fixed PCs in our company so managing our Windows server 2008 domain and 50 clients is not particularly taxing, not is it a full-time job for me. We are a small college, and most of our students have their own devices that they chose themselves. Most of them have Mac books; the rest have PC laptops. I have yet to see a Surface Pro. We are currently investigating a solution for BYOD, so we’ll be getting rid of most of the PCs and just keeping a small drop-in area of about 10 or so. We will mention the Surface Pro as a recommended device, along with laptops. The RT will not be recommended, nor will the iPad nor Samsung note II. So don’t worry 🙂

          My preference for the mini-iPad is a personal one. I don’t expect too much from it. I carry it around all the time, to watch stuff with, but I don’t use it much for productivity. I have DocsToGo on it, and Dropbox. I also use speech recognition technology with which allows me to dictate notes, posts or comments to it while I hold it. Nice to use in the kitchen too, when cooking and looking up recipes.

    • A laptop with a keyboard can’t suddenly become a tablet without one when you want that instead.

  • WindowsOnMac

    I managed to get a 128GB model last week, and I think it’s a great little machine… Really can’t understand why all the analysts are saying “sales disappoint”: as I was trying to get the 128Gb model since it was released and it was always “out of stock” on the MS Canada and Best Buy websites (and in the end I had to order the Pro form one and the Type-Cover form the other!)

    And if you think of it as a convertible ultra-book (I want to use it to replace my Sony Vaio-Z when travelling) it’s not even that expensive… and even the stylus surprisingly useful.

    While it took a bit of time to get used to Windows 8 (and there are some silly shortcomings: for example the lack of the Network Mapping tool that was part of Win7), as an operating system it is both powerful and stable.

    I can never understand why people get so defensive and protective Apple and iOS. I use iPhones, iPads and iPods: and find them great . But there really are lots of things I can’t (easily) do using iOS.

    So why not accept both companies have great products and choose from both?

    Personally I really like the iMac hardware: it looks good and performs. So my two “main” home desktops are both iMac’s: but both are almost always booted into Windows (well over 95% of the time) and both run Windows 8.

    Will be interesting to see how they both work when the LEAP controllers arrive next month!

  • TheFakeSteve

    wow! What a moron. Basically the author claims that Surface Pro sales will be a disappointment becoz he thinks it will be a disappointment.

  • Dr. Donut

    Who is Peter Chubb and why does anyone care what his opinion is?

  • toraji

    BTW…thanks Fernando you make a very valid point (amazing machine) for a apple junkie :). I don’t see that a lot but some apple lovers around me also see how good this pro is and still try to come up with points to say something bad about the surface but they are coming around :).

    Another thing I would like to comment on is that windows 8 is not BAD at all. It is an addition to what you still have in the desktop mode and its funny to see how the biggest haters of W8 start to even admit that after using it for several months. Its GREAT.. you have to get used to it but it is great. Especially on touch screen devices. ( it must be because of windows 8 Mr. bad reviewer)?

    have a nice weekend all 🙂

  • yloops

    The real issue with this piece, is that its title puts forth the idea that 2 months ON, the surface pro is doing poorly. However, the article itself uses figures which are in fact a month old. In fact it doesn’t even break down the figure for the pro which is 400,000, which was deemed a success by CNET, having had supply issues and being only released in two countries.

    Its for that reason why this is a very very poor article on the pro. After using old figures, which were in fact decent, to suggest the surface pro is doing badly 2 months on, the article then explain why its supposedly doing bad ( accept we don’t know if it is or not because we don’t have up to date figures) with weak rehashed ideas of talk of short comings of a hybrid device and windows 8, based on the opinion of … wait for it …. the general consensus view of its readers. pathetic.

  • scsi

    love mine.

  • Krishna B.

    I take it this way, MS here is not trying to sell as many Surface Pro as possible but trying to have as many manufactures get into the fray, which it has done very well. I have seen just about all major manufactures producing at least one their Surfaces. Now it is up to the respective manufactures to compete and bring down the prices, so we consumers are at the winning situation.I think MS should not bring down the cost of its Surfaces as it should act like a benchmark for other manufactures to follow, and let more competition to usher in better products as affordable price. .

  • This guy is a moron

  • Observer

    I’d say they are doing well despite of bad reviews and limited distribution (only US and Canada since Feb 9). Go ahead and check customer reviews at best buy and soon Amazon. Remember, this is a first generation device. Going forward it’ll be just better and better. How much first gen iPad and Android devices were sold back then in the first two months?

  • toraji

    So typical…..another basher…….
    I know a few people that own a Surface Pro or RT…. THEY LOVE IT!!!!!! I think it becomes time you so called reviewers start to review things for what they are…NOT what you dislike!!!!

    • JasonEnzoD

      Of course they love it! Who in their right mind would strive to find and buy one of these and say they hate it?

  • Maybe the Surface is too new For some who try to cling to existing realities. My Surface is certainly a big plus. The quoted consensus is to be considered questionable when it does not originate from people who don’ t use the Surface on a daily basis, privately as wel as for work.

    • JasonEnzoD

      I think the praise for Surface pro is also considered questionable when it comes from people who have bought it. Unless you’re stupid, you don’t buy something like this without knowing what you’re doing and why you’re doing it.

      • WP7Mango

        No it’s not questionable at all. If you buy something and are happy with it, then you are quite entitled to praise it. The same is true for ANY product!

        Your argument could be equally applied to the 3G 128 GB iPad, which is stupidly expensive for what you get.

        • JasonEnzoD

          Yes it is questionable. People who write reviews, and people who bother to spend time and energy writing comments like us do so because they are engaged in the product in one way or another. It requires both know-how and effort to acquire a Surface pro. You can’t just walk into your high street store and get one like you can the iPad or other consumer devices.

          At the end of the day, it’s the sales that show what masses want, and I’m talking about sales of products where the consumer has a real choice. Note that this does NOT apply to Windows 8, which is pumped up by OEM sales, licenses inventories and forced on to users when they buy new hardware, regardless of whether they downgrade to Windows 7 or not.

          The only version of Windows 8 consumers willingly buy is the upgrade from earlier OSs, which you can get for about $50. If you look at the reviews at Amazon for this upgrade, you’ll see they are clearly divided, with around 30% giving it one star. And these are people who CHOSE to buy it. Whatever you say Windows 8 cannot be considered to be a success.

          And how you can argue the iPad is expensive when the Surface Pro costs $900 is beyond me.

        • WP7Mango

          I specifically said the 3G 128GB iPad, which costs over $900. That’s is stupidly expensive for what you get.
          Your argument about Windows 8 being pumped by OEMs is moot, because Apple forces you to have OSX on the Mac and iOS on the iPad. It’s exactly the same thing.
          As to the “masses”, the has no relevance in the argument. The fact is, if someone CHOSE to buy something like the Surface Pro and is very satisfied with it because it does what they need it to, then it’s not questionable if it receives high praise. To imply that only “average consumers” are allowed to praise their purchases is totally flawed logic.

        • JasonEnzoD

          Ok, so it pleases a niche market of Microsoft fans like yourself. Good for you.

        • WP7Mango

          You don’t have to be a Microsoft fan to like Windows 8 tablets. Many of my iPad owning colleagues and friends are now getting one (or have done so already) after I showed them what it can do.

        • JasonEnzoD

          I think it’s quite true to say that the Surface pro appeals to a niche market.
          Good luck on your conversions – I hope Microsoft pay you well.

        • WP7Mango

          Conversions? What are you going on about? And Microsoft paying me? Why would they when I don’t do any work for them? My clients pay me. I’m really not sure I understood any of your comment.

          The Surface Pro may well appeal to a niche market – that’s ok with me.

        • Joeschmoe

          I am replacing all my road warriors’ laptop with a Surface Pro. It’s not a niche market because, quite frankly, here’s what they do:

          90% of the time they are using Outlook – iPad don’t do Outlook. They have their mail app but it’s not Outlook.
          5% of the time they are modifying Word documents and/or PDF’s – try that on iPad. Even if you could do it with some “compatible app” it is not the same and would take forever to compose.
          5% of the time they need to connect to our VPN and actually work on stuff – Yes, iPAD can log into VPN if you install special drivers on your VPN devices and ipad. But what can they do once they get on it? Connect to company network drive? Work on Microsoft Projects? Run Quickbooks?

          Of course laptops can do a better job. However, most of my “road warriors” want a light laptop. My solution is to give them a laptop or desktop for office and a Surface Pro fro traveling. Sure you may not get 100% efficiency from a Surface Pro keyboard or its screen. HOWEVER, it does give you 100% of the tools you need to do your job when you are traveling.

          Good luck sending your mobile users on the road and/or to a customer’s site with an iPad.

      • “Praise for surface pro is also considered questionable when it comes from people who have bought it.”

        Ah, of course. Only praise or loathing from people who *don’t have one* should be considered.


  • Fernando

    Firstly let me say that I’m a Apple junkie having a Mac at home, an
    iPAD, Mac Air and an iPhone. However, I’ve found my new Surface Pro to be an amazing machine… it has a friendly user interface and I can use it
    as substitute for my work laptop at 1/4 the size and almost the same in
    weight. It is very fast, slick and runs the full Microsoft 2013 suite
    which is brilliant.

  • WP7Mango

    Not sure how Surface Pro (or indeed any Windows 8 tablet) can be considered useless when the fact is (yes, it is a fact) that Windows 8 is a far more powerful and capable operating system than iOS.

    • JasonEnzoD

      You’re missing the part that 50% of traditional Windows users have been alienated by Windows 8. They hate tablet interface, they hate missing start menu.

      Most of all, I think they hate Microsoft who think they can jerk their customers around with impunity to further their own goals (in this case, penetration of the mobile touch-screen-device market).

      • WP7Mango

        And you’re missing the point of this entire article. We’re not talking about traditional users. We’re discussing Surface Pro, which is the ideal type of device for Windows 8 where the touch GUI works great. It’s a far more capable operating system for a tablet form factor than iOS. That is a fact.

        • JasonEnzoD

          But the tablet OS of the Surface is poor, compared to the iPad or the Android. For one thing, the Metro apps look terrible, and there are hardly any decent ones in the store. It seems that developers are not taking Metro app development seriously. So that leaves us with desktop on the Surface Pro. But touch is not much use on the desktop or with traditional desktop applications. The Surface Pro offers no advantage here.

          So basically, what happened was that Microsoft created an OS system that forced the touch feature in the users face (whether they wanted it or not, and whether they had a touch screen or not). They then brought out a new device designed to work for that OS.
          So basically they created a problem in Windows and then made a solution to the problem by releasing a new product.

        • WP7Mango

          I don’t know if you have actually used a Windows 8 tablet… because I use mine every day. Windows 8 Metro on a tablet is excellent. Far superior to iOS. There is so much you simply cannot do on an iPad which you CAN do on a Windows 8 tablet.

          Metro apps look miles better on a tablet than they do on a desktop (probably to do with the smaller form factor and glossy screen). I do agree that they look odd on a desktop.

          As for desktop applications, one thing you forget is that for those applications which aren’t touch optimised, the Surface Pro (and many other Windows 8 tablets) come with a WACOM digitisers stylus – that means you can use it like a mouse, including physically hovering over GUI elements (without actually touch the screen) and right-click support with the button.

          Fact is, anyone familiar with a Windows 8 tablet and an iPad (which I am) will tell you that the Windows 8 tablet is far more capable than the iPad, both in terms of performance and the operating system capability.

        • JasonEnzoD

          For me, and the work I do, there’s no way I’d swap my laptop for any kind of tablet.The ONLY advantage a tablet has over a laptop is size and weight. Everything else is traded off. Using a WACOM is not better than a mouse. A mouse is never in front of the screen and you have your hand conveniently rested on a desk while using it. I’d like to see you play Counter Strike with WACOM.

        • WP7Mango

          I never said a WACOM stylus is better than a mouse. I’m simply saying that if you need to use non-touch-optimised applications on a tablet, then using a WACOM stylus works great. A lot of web sites have “on-hover” menus which are clearly no good for touch, but having the WACOM stylus allows you to use those web sites with the same ease as you would with a mouse on a desktop.

          I’m a software developer and I use Visual Studio and Blend / SketchFlow on my Windows 8 tablet. Using the WACOM stylus is great, especially for prototyping in SketchFlow.

          I do most of the coding on my desktop computer (BTW the Windows 8 tablet can also function as a desktop base unit since it has HDMI / DisplayPort output) and I sync all my projects via SkyDrive. I then take these projects with me to clients, on the tablet, so I can demo and debug touch-applications in real-time and do SketchFlow prototyping face-to-face with the client on the tablet.

        • JasonEnzoD

          Sure, you develop apps for tablets. Of course the tablet is good for showing your apps to clients.
          The thing is, people don’t want touch on a desktop PC. They had this option since Windows 7 and they didn’t want it then, and they don’t want it now. And consumers aren’t going to adopt WACOMS.

        • WP7Mango

          Who’s talking about touch on desktop PCs? I’m not, although since you mention it, I can see it useful in various scenarios, PROVIDING that the monitor position can be adjusted so that it can function comfortable as an easel for graphics design or CAD work, or a music studio mixing desk, etc.

          Why do you say consumers won’t adopt WACOMs? If they already adopt standard capacitive pens, why not WACOMs (or equivalent digitiser)?

        • JasonEnzoD

          I was responding to your mentioning of using the Pro as a desktop base unit.

          The monitor is most ergonomically positioned near vertical, quite high up. This is also a natural way to look at films, and any 3D representation.

        • WP7Mango

          OK, but when it’s used as a desktop base unit, you don’t need to use the tablet itself. You can simply connect your mouse, keyboard and large external monitor and use it like a conventional desktop.

        • SamJ

          Who are you to speak about the “people”? lol

        • JasonEnzoD

          Well, I can only speak from my own experience, of course. That includes from information that is Internet, and from people I know in the IT-industry couldn’t care less about touch. And that includes some leading project managers.
          All this may change. I can see that touch and having screens at 20% off the desk might be useful for in CAD applications, but it is not the solution for everyone.

        • John Ross

          I think you are joking or at least I hope you are, I don’t think anyone can compare the TOY ipad with a Surface and yes I mean any Surface, The O/S for both the RT and The PRO versions of the MS Surface are far superior to any IOS, I take a Surface home plug my USB printer in and hey presto I can print out my OFFICE generated document, I then decide to put the document on my pen drive and use it on my office PC etc etc, I’d like to see you do this on your IPAD or whatever they’re called OH I forgot even though the ishi.. is in it’s 3rd or 4th incarnation it still has no USB port LOL and as for software I realised that the Apple eco-system would not be enticing me right from the start and truly feel sorry for all those that have bought the IPAD and then use them as a digital photo display due to being locked into Apples eco-sh… I have replaced my Samsung Galaxy S3 which was a better mobile than the Iphone with a Nokia 920 and haven’t looked back since the Win 8 Mobile links to my Xbox, Outlook E-Mail, Excel/Access/Powerpoint docs etc etc truly awesome bit of kit. As this is so obvious to me I can only guess you haven’t even tried the software that you are knocking!

        • JasonEnzoD

          Yeah right.

        • ziggy

          I know that for an avid Apple fanboy like yourself, it’s hard to admit that the iPad is an expensive toy whereas the Surface is a fully functional computer.. but that’s a fact.

        • JasonEnzoD

          Wrong. I’m a IT-manager in a Windows environment. The only reason I like the mini-ipad and the iPhones it that I can’t mess with them – they just work. Zero problems. They’re not toys if you use them for basic surfing, mail, and simple tasks like that – as Metro is designed to be used for.

        • Joeschmoe

          I am an IT director and I can tell you that I hate iPad. I am sick and tired of users asking me how to log into our company VPN, or run some company-supported applications. They started this “BYOD” trend and us IT guys need to suffer because we can’t support it.

          The Surface Pro is a PC. If your company supports laptops, it supports Surface Pro. No questions asked.

          Group Policy via Active Directory? Check

          Cisco Ipsec/SSL VPN? Check
          Microsoft Office? Check
          Company mapped network drive? Check
          Adobe Flash? Check
          Tens of thousands of PC peripherals from keyboard to mouse to BlueRay drive? Check
          Ability to move/copy files between PCs to tablets to network devices to external storages? Check
          Ability to connect to 3+TB of external storage or a USB drive or any storage you can think of (Keep in mind if an USB device/converter is out there, it will work on Surface Pro)? Check

          iPad may give you zero problems because you don’t expect much from them. Comparing iPad to a Surface Pro is like comparing a typewriter to a PC. You don’t expect much problem with a typewriter because you don’t expect it to do much.

        • JasonEnzoD

          I understand all that, but I don’t want or need all that from a tablet. As you say, I don’t expect much from a tablet, except that it fits in my pocket. if I just want to work an letter, or check mail, or check some websites while travelling on the bus or train, or while sitting in a café, then the mini-iPad is perfect.
          As a replacement for the laptop, the surface pro, with Windows 8 on it, is far from perfect. The OS has no start button, and is confusing for people who are not computer savvy, The hardware itself has limited battery life, and is top heavy so you can’t easily balance it on your knee with the keyboard attached, nor can you hold it easily in one hand.
          I simply don’t see the attraction of this compared to standard or touch-screen laptop, which has all the features that are traded-off on the tablet, just for the price of being a bit heavier and larger. Both need to be carried in a case, so what’s the big issue?

      • DEVO

        “50%”? really?

        where did you get that number?!

        • JasonEnzoD

          Unfortunately I’m not allowed to quote the name of the website where those metrics can easily be obtained. But it’s a huge market place named after a river in South America. This is where people CHOSE to buy Windows 8, and where you can read what the say about it.

  • no wouldnt agree, maybe that census was from all your ipad followers

  • yloops

    really was my comment rejected?