Real Exclusives Raise Bar: Sony PS3 vs Xbox 360

“raise a system to new heights” – I fail to see the importance of this notion to consumers and game makers. FF13 – I was planning to get a ps3 just for this game. Exclusivity is only beneficial to the console maker. Both consoles are great. Playing a game on either console should vary little, at least the gap is closing. The goal for game companies is too sell games. The more games they sell, the more money they make.
The point to keep games exclusive to keep prodcution costs low is absurd. Whats it cost to produce a game for both consoles rather than one? Nothing, compared to the revenue generated. Now, I won’t have to buy a ps3. I did not really want to. But I do want to play FF13 and now I can without exclusivity.

Anyone who thinks they can do without Son’ys first party offerings will be sad, when they realise they have to fork out $400 or £200 for it.

It’s just inavoidable.

LittleBigPlanet is the start.

In principle, exclusive games can be better to play, because the developer can devote full resources to getting the most from the system. Both in terms of controll, graphics as well as console-specific features.
Not to mention bug-fixs

While the optimised difference between Xbox360 and PS3 is probably not so noticable (visual), theres a huge difference between a game dedicated to the Wii, and one thats a multiplatform port (say, PS2/Wii).

Of course though, development costs swamp all these concerns.
The shear cost of making games at the graphical standard the public means developers simple have no choice but release stuff of everything possible….and some things which seem impossible.
Look at Re4 appearing on the PS2, or Dead Rising on the Wii.

Is English your native language or not? What a poorly written article…

i completely agree, exclusivity means that there will be more competition and more competition is always better for the consumer.

i pitty much shore its not that much ps3 pass 360 in sale in europe so not much of a big deal as long they keep on selling they will still be in the lead……

pritty much shore the 360 is not much behind ps3 in europe in sale as long the 360 tell they be still in the lead…..

Final Fantasy games suck, I don’t know and don’t want to know why people like. Socom is propably trhe best game I ever played. A game i can play for years. Can’t wait till 10/14!

@ Bravo hmmmm uhhh I almost don’t even know how to attack such a closed minded statement.

I don’t find Socom very good that doesn’t mean that I would go and insult you and all the other fans for liking it. Keep stupid closed minded coments to your self. FF is a great game with an awsomn fan base including a fantastic development team that put a lot of work into creating a very divers unique story line together to entertain.

Regardless of weather you like it or not you have to respect the work detication and the loyal fan base.

Is English your second language? Because there’s more grammatical errors in this blog than I could count.

If you’re job is to write, then learn how to do it.

Both FFXIII and SOCOM suck, I don’t want to know or don’t know why people like. I like the games they make from movies, its like going to theater for 6x more and in control of the action! My favorite has to be BeBe’s Kids. It really pushed the envelope for the SNES.

FFXIII has had 3+ years of PS3 development, that and Blu-ray ensures that it will be the far superior version anyway.

All the FFXIII will show, is that 360 is the inferior console…

I know one thing….MS is losing ground and they know it!!! That is the reason why they are trying every trick in the book to try and keep up….they know full well it is lost battle. Let them spend their money, which they got plenty off, attemtping to buy out 3rd party developers. To me it seems somewhat backhanded of them…Final Fantasy XIII…I am not worrying cuz, it’s gonna come out on the PS3 first, and then only will it be ported om somewhat 6 discs or so on the x360. Also no FFXIII in Japan….and knowing how crazy they go about FF over there, Sony sure will be surpassing MS this year if not early 2009! Hehehe

Right, and when Socom ends up on 360, a bunch of sony leg humpers will come out of the wood work and say it suddenly sucks too, nice try pal, but FF does not suck and no one ever said it did until now.

Funny ! MGS4 sold a few extra hundred thousand PS3′s. Halo 3 sold almost 2 million 360′s after the games release. MGS4 is awesome but it’s not a Halo or a Gears of War or a God of War or a Final Fantasy.

GTA 4 on the 360 simply kept Sony from selling more PS3′s if it was an exclusive. The 50 million bucks is nothing compared charge Sony would have made had it kept GTA exlusive. Smart move MS !

Scott, to make a game for multiple platforms is immensely harder than making it for just one, its like windows, mac, and Linux, theya re all different and you cant run a windows only program on a mac because they operate in different ways, same with consoles, in order to make a game (in this case FFXIII) available to the 360, they have to remake the entire game again for it to work so it instantly doubles the work load on the devs

“One game that comes to mind is Final Fantasy XIII, this was going to be a Sony PS3 exclusive and then Microsoft open their wallet wide to get FFXIII on the Xbox 360. This will bring sales to both games systems.”

DANIEL, I don’t know if that was a quote or your own words. But since you didn’t put it in quotes, I would have to assume that it was your own words. Now that that has been established, if you want anyone to take your writing seriously and not consider you to be just another fanboy with a blog, you can’t make presumptuous statements like that. If you know for sure that MS “Opened their wallets wide.” the please by all means present the proof.

As for Peter Dille, he’s the biggest PS3 fanboy of the all as he should be, for godsakes it’s his job. So I can understand where he is coming from. Although, I do believe that the only people that have anything to gain from exclusives is the console manufacturer. Taking MSG4 for instance, it would have sold twice the units had it been multiplat. I know, I know, “It’s not possible to do MSG4 on the 360.” Yeah right, keep believing that.

Anyway, I guess my point is, I think from a developers standpoint, the only way they can benefit from a game being an exclusive is for the console manufacturer to open their wallets “WIDE” , and if anyone opened their wallets wide, all indicators point to Sony doing so to keep MSG4 as an exclusive. Perhaps they didn’t want to give square enix as good a deal, and SE decided to go where the money is and that’s multiplat.

Bravo no disrespect but we have too many shooters on both consoles right now. Personally I like rpgs specifically JRPGS but PS3 was slow with them so I did got shooter for a while. Resistance and then CoD4. CoD4 is probably the best shooter out right now and will hold it for a while. only game I’m looking forward to right now is Disgaea but thats jut me lol

MS didn’t pay for Final Fantasy, all they had to do was show Square how much more money they can make if they made it cross platform.

Wow reading some of these comments makes me feel like I am in kindergarden again and we are fighting to know who is better, Batman or Spiderman? I think it’s Batman…I mean really, he fights crime without special powers and a mountain of cash!! now that is heroic!

I was wrighting that for absolutly no good reason when I realized Batman and M$ are pretty much alike, right? I mean they are pricks who can buyout anything and anyone they want…I am soooo amazing

Anyway…back to flamming the fanboys…I read a comment saying that doing a multi platform game is double the time cause it’s like doing a software for a mac and windows…it’s totally different. ARE YOU TOTALLY INSANE?!?! You seriously believe that they would completely remake the game for the 360 in less than a year?!? DUDE the 360 and PS3 are exactly the same (THEY ARE COMPUTERS WITH LESS OPTIONS FOR GOD SAKE) except one is a bit more powerfull and support blu-ray (which I would like to say is a storage device…nothing more)…what you are saying now is that every computer game would have to be completly redone and you would have to buy a different version of the game if you owned an Intel or a AMD computer?!? give me a break my little ray of sunshine…

One more thing (before this gets too long…oups too late) For you crying fanboys who try to make yourself feel better by telling everyone that FFVIII will be on 700 DVDs for the 360…ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR F’N MIND?!?! I mean seriously, you really think FFVIII will be 36 Gigs? ( that is about 4 DVD 9s for you slow pokes) SE would not port the game to the 360 if they knew it couldn’t handle it.

and to end this poorly written post (English is soooo not my first language) SE is one of the only compagnies you can say makes games for the gamers and not for the money (of course they do it for the money but the quality is always superior) so this game is going to be kick ass if you play on the PS3 or the 360…I hope some of you stop crying long enough to realize that.

Marc, the flamming rainbow warrior

I just feel like throwing somthing out here.

You dont have to be a sony leg humper to relalize blu-ray is “Eventually” going to outrun the more conventional standard DVD formats. (The Format war already proved that.) So Microsoft can soak in the glory of beating sales right now but what will they do when game developers finally UTILIZE the full advantages of Blu-Ray. It will almost be impossible to make multiplatform games the same. I think SONY made a wise choice to spend the extra buck to start blu-ray consoles now and stay in it for the long run. It will soon pay off.

I hate to break it to you Darkie but SOCOM is a Sony owned franchise.

PS. The FF series has been going downhill since FFVI on the SNES. Almost the entire original dev. team has moved on and plenty of the old fans (myself included) have moved on to better RPG’s as well.

MS didn’t pay for Final Fantasy, all they had to do was show Square how much more money they can make if they made it cross platform.

Exactly, they saw the sales numbers for GTA4 and said we want a peice of that, I am sure they went to sony and asked for Sony to pay for the exclusive, but how could sony possibly offer enough to make up for the lossing half their sales, GTA4 actually sold better on the 360, no reason to think FF won’t also. even if it sales better on the ps3, it will still sell well on the 360. it was sony that had to open its wallet to keep it an exclusive, it was microsoft.

Ok…Ok…Ok… I read enough.

Please understand this. When SE was interviewed about the jump they made to the 360 (no pun intended) the SE analyst stated that they made the decision based off of the HW install base for each Console (PS3 and 360). They wanted to take advantage of the 360 install base. They also mentioned that it is the same reason why the game will not release in Japan for the 360.

What they were truly saying was that the PS3 did not have enough install base just for the game to release on just the PS3. In term this does makes sense. if you are a gamer this does make sense. If you are a fanboy this does not make sense. I have heard many fanboy arguments and most are saying that if SE would have looked at the trend of each console, they would have realized who and which system has the advantage especially since this game will not release any time soon. There will be a surprise to some in 2009. I not going to say which console it is because it is very obviuos.

Another thing that was mentioned in the interview was about the amount of game disk that would be needed for the 360. The SE rep did not answer the question. The Rep laughed at the question. I will let you know this right now, expect this game to be multi disc for the 360. This game will be the size of MGS4 or larger. The 360 will be able to handle the game because of the new download initiative that MS has developed the only issue the system might have is playing the game in HD. Because this game will be on the 360 it will not be 1080P it will be 720P at 30 FPS.

One Last thing, this game will not come out until Sum 2009 in Japan, and between Winter 2009 Spring 2010 in US/PAL.

In my post above I meant to add in the second paragraph that because of the poor analytical comment from SE, it is the reason why many people state MS opened up their wallet. Another theory is that because SOny is on the SE governance board (they own stock in the company), they were notified of the funds. One reason why all of Sony’s upper management have stated the payoff claim.

Alex – Blue Ray is Sony’s crutch. If it wasn’t for Blu Ray then PS3 wouldn’t work. Games need tons of extra coding, textures and lighting programmed because of the Cell’s game processing limitations. When PS3 uses all 50 gigs on a disc, 360 could do it in less than half the amount of space or more. 360 is made balls out for game processing, PS3 isn’t.

The Cell and Bu Ray have too many people fooled. Yes blu ray is great for movies on PS3 but thats what they want you to know, they don’t want you to know the limitations of PS3.

tgrass21 = x-box fagboy

“game developers finally UTILIZE the full advantages of Blu-Ray”

…then at most, a 360 port will need a extra disk or two.

Seriously, its just storage space, most hugely wasted.
Secondly, the bluray drive is slower, thus longer load times on the ps3.

Not that its bad, just dont believe the hype. More space does not magicaly make anything more possible.

Development time and budgets limit games now, NOT space.

“The 360 will be able to handle the game because of the new download initiative that MS has developed the only issue the system might have is playing the game in HD. Because this game will be on the 360 it will not be 1080P it will be 720P at 30 FPS. ” …………… don’t you mean this the other way around, the p3 version will be lower resolution and at a slower frame rate, Same as GTA4, and many other games, the 360 can handle the graphics better. in fact what is more likely is it will be on the 360 at 720P 60 frames and it will be on the PS3 at 640P at 30 frames.

All I know is that MGS4 is 1080P at 60fps and looks extremely nice! In the Middle of MGS4 there is a clip that jokes about 360s limitations where it tells users to put in another disk then its says wait this is a PS3 you dont have to, etc! MGS4 cant be done on the 360 with just one disk. This alone, THERE IS NO BETTER LOOKING GAME and imo, no better game TO DATE THAT MGS4 hands down! With this being true and the fact that it is not capable for MGS4 to be done on 360, this PROVES that the PS3 is the most capable system! CASE CLOSED because no matter what is said, all of the preceding is the truth!!!!

SOCOM is the greatest and most addicted online game ever made a truly must have. Final Fantasy XIII still is a PS3 exclusive in Japan and it will be released a year after the dumbed version for Xbox 360 according to Square-Enix PS3 version will be superior due to Blu-ray Disc technology . Xbox is dying and is dead in Japan and in Europe is getting an ass kick by Sony’s PS3. PS3 is perfect in every way Xbox fanboy love PS3 exclusives they drool always.

I stopped reading after the first to paragraphs. You’re writing is atrocious! Where in the world is your sources? You could at least post another website for quotes. You need a source for your statement about MS paying of Square and you need a source for your (false) information about GTAIV. It was never a MS exclusive in and of itself, but the DLC is MS exclusive.

You’ve gotta do better than this.

I love the PS3 fanboys! You guys are pretty hilarious. Here is a timeline of fanboy comments:
(PS2 vs Xbox) It is not the hardware that matters it is the software line-up.
(PS2 vs Xbox) We don’t like FPS titles, it is all about the RPG’s.
(PSP vs DS) It is not about the software, the PSP has much better hardware.
(PS3 vs 360) It is not about the software line-up or the 360 ports being better, it is about the potential power of the console Sony keeps promising us year after year.
(PS3 vs 360) It is not about the RPGS, seeing as MS is now pounding Sony in that department as well, it is about MGS4.
(PS3 vs 360) It is not about the PS3′s basic last gen online service, it is the fact that it is free!

Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy Hot Shots, Ratchet, and Heavenly Sword but the arguments just keep going in circles. YOU ARE A MINDLESS CONSUMER..cough…IDIOT…cough…FANBOY! All fanboys are laughable, but I find that Sony fanboys just leave me shaking my head. Good luck with your $600 Blu Ray player and $35 BR movies while playing some low quality games

If the PS3 software line-up is so great, someone please explain the consoles horrible attachment rates?

“MGS4 cant be done on the 360 with just one disk. ”

Yes it can.
a) To start with, MP3 compress the audio tracks. For some insane reason, Hideo doesnt like compressing audio. (sorry, but MP3 is good enough for the human ear).

b) -much harder- You can generate game textures fractualy, hugely saving space. While this cant be done with all textures, a good 80% could be done.
This, however, means either longer loading or install times.

Just to proove what can be done in a little space here;

http://www.theproduct.de/

Not graphicaly impressive as such, but look at the frecking file size.
Procedral textures can insanely reduce file sizes. If developers really really needed more space, they could use them.

But everything is a trade off.
And in the end, if your porting a game, just going for an extra disk is probably easier.

But lets cut this “cut be done” or “impossible” or “PROVES ITS BETTER” crap.

Thats exactly like saying;

MGS takes 8 minutes to install at the start, and it has long loading times.
I can play Mario Galaxy within 20 seconds or turning my Wii on, with no loading more then a few seconds in game.

That PROVES the Wii is better then the PS3.

See how crazy it is to make those arguments?

Each system has its strengths and weakpoints.

So many incorrect facts I havent time to go into, here’s one “Microsoft paid well for Grand Theft Auto and now it’s not an exclusive on their platform, it’s now a cross-platform game. GTA4 sold well on the PS3 and the Xbox 360.” GTA3 was developed on the PS2 – Microsoft just bought some extra content for GTA4.

Time to go back to school as well, your grammar sucks…

I love the people on these “comments” that get offened and start disecting the way you type.
This is not a thesis, its a PS3 comment page and FF still sucks.

@ Dave

Actually that is inncorect. but you tried. I am sure you should know by now that most issue with multiplat games on the PS3 is the fact that they were design for the 360 first and port to the PS3 at a later time. This also holds true for GTA4. The only difference was that the PS3 programmers were a little more experienced than most devs that port from the 360 to the PS3 first. Now you should also know that most devs are now programing for the PS3 first and then they port the game to the 360. An example is Burnout Paradise, another is NCAA Football 2009, and There are many more.

Lets take this exmple for instance. When EA developed NCAA 2008 they created the game on the 360 first and ported the game to the PS3, it rusulted in the 360 having 720P at 60fps and the PS3 version 640P at 30FPS. Now when EA decided to make th game on the PS3 first it resulted in both games running at 720P at 60 FPS.

I know you might be wondering why this occured, so i will try to explain. Better yet take this as an example. Would you rather program a chunk of code to one system and later when you port the code to another system that does not respond well to chunk coding (meaning you will have to break the code up for the system to use it correctly, which also takes a long time) or would you rather program in threads and port to a system that can read the threads. I think I would stick to the latter, as most 3rd party devs are doing.

Also the PS3 is the only system out on the market that can do true 1080P. From what I stated above it will happen for both systems, or SE will just keep a safe resolution for both system of 30 FPS at 720P.

“”All I know is that MGS4 is 1080P at 60fps and looks extremely nice! In the Middle of MGS4 there is a clip that jokes about 360s limitations where it tells users to put in another disk then its says wait this is a PS3 you dont have to, etc! MGS4 cant be done on the 360 with just one disk. This alone, THERE IS NO BETTER LOOKING GAME and imo, no better game TO DATE THAT MGS4 hands down! With this being true and the fact that it is not capable for MGS4 to be done on 360, this PROVES that the PS3 is the most capable system! CASE CLOSED because no matter what is said, all of the preceding is the truth!!!! ” ………….. the greatly looking shots on mgs4 are cut sceens, you really think it is hard to make a nice looking cut sceen. they were little mini blu-ray movies, not game play. You could practically stream the hd MGS4 cutstreams straight to the 360 and never even need to include them and a disk. I could play an HD-DVD through the 360 addon, at 1080P, that wouldn’t mean anything in regards to game play, same as the MGS4 mini-blu ray movies

@Kmach “I love the PS3 fanboys! You guys are pretty hilarious. Here is a timeline of fanboy comments:
(PS2 vs Xbox) It is not the hardware that matters it is the software line-up.
(PS2 vs Xbox) We don’t like FPS titles, it is all about the RPG’s.
(PSP vs DS) It is not about the software, the PSP has much better hardware.
(PS3 vs 360) It is not about the software line-up or the 360 ports being better, it is about the potential power of the console Sony keeps promising us year after year.
(PS3 vs 360) It is not about the RPGS, seeing as MS is now pounding Sony in that department as well, it is about MGS4.
(PS3 vs 360) It is not about the PS3’s basic last gen online service, it is the fact that it is free!”……………….. well said, my feeling too. it is all about the future potential of the ps3, just wait till the programers figure it out, just wait till …………….. Fill in the blank ….

People always are saying that the ps3 will surpass the 360 in the “future,” and that it is inevitable. But I want to know when this “future” going to happen?? How long do I need to wait? It’s all good, while ps3 owners held their breath for mgs4, I was playing my 360. And while ps3 owners hold their breath again for more, I’m still playing my 360, and will continue to do so. Whenever that “future” comes, I will have been playing my 360 for several years while ps3 owners have spent most of their time waiting for that great game to come along.

The ps3 is a fine machine, but so is the 360. Look back to the last generation, did the old xbox surpass the ps2 in sales with all it’s power and features? No it did not. The ps3 has had a good run this summer, out selling the 360 at times, especially when mgs4 came out. But the ps3 needs to go from 5 million to 10 million to pass the 360 in sales. The only way that is going to happen is if the 360 simply stops selling, but, friends, the 360 is not going anywhere. It may be dead in Japan, but Euope is a dogfight and the US is a dogfight now, but the system still has a 5 million unit lead.

I might buy a ps3…sometime in the “future.”

@Alan

I was not trying to be a fanboy on this site, but I think you brought it out of me. It is people like you that piss me off. Sorry to burst your bubble but the inevitable will come to pass. The PS3 will take over the 360 sales, yes it will come in the future but it will happen. Think about it this way. the 360 had a 8-10 million head start on the PS3 when it first came out. That lead has diminished to about 5 mil give or take as the PS3 comes to its 2nd year of its console life span. The sad thing is that you mentioned it in your post. The PS3 will outsell the 360 this generation. The PS3 has too many blockbusters comin out Fall 2008 – Spring 2009 for a major dent not to happen. And guess what, those games are first party games that will never see the light of day on the 360. And please tell me what games from the 360 will top those 8-10 (and maybe more, this is just a guestimate) games coming out for the PS3 during that time span.

I’m not holding my breath for any of them though. And the big question is if these games actually live up to the huge hype machine Sony has built. Most of Sony’s 1st party titles have been letdowns so far, what exactly has changed that will make their new games be so amazing? Are you really that excited about Killzone 2, a sequel to a miserable excuse for a game? What was it about the first game that has people excited about the new one? Nothing. It’s all about Sony and their great hype machine.
Resistance was a fun game, yes, but nothing special. I have played it. I also played mgs4, or rather, I watched mgs4 and played what little I could between it’s long movie scenes. The reason why that game is so huge is because Kojima is insane. I like great stories, but the mgs series went way off the deep end long ago. But yet this was the game everybody was looking for, I expected something amazing, and was letdown. It’s the story of a mad genius out of control, Konami should have put a leash on their game designer.
I’m not saying that the ps3 lacks great games, but it has taken over 2 years to build even a small library of playable games. During this time, the 360 has trucked right along. The ps3 still has to claim “it is for the future,” while the 360 has been enjoyed in my living room for 3 years. No matter what you say, you can’t change those last 3 years. The future may be different, but it is still a ways off. This holiday will be very interesting.

Reasons Why PS3 RuLeZ

1.Blu-ray Disc

2.PLAYSTATION 3 exclusives
Resistance 2
Killzone 2
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
LittleBigPlanet
Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fanatsy Versus XIII
God of War 3
MotorStorm 2: Pacific Rift
inFAMOUS
Metal Gear Online
SOCOM: Confrontation
Gran Turismo 5
L.A. Noire
Siren: Blood Curse
Bioshock
The Agency
Disgaea 3
Chain Limit
Brave Arms
BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger
Afrika
Eyedentify
Heavy Rain
Redwood Falls
Tekken 6
Twisted Metal
WarDevil: Unleash the Beast Within
White Knight Chronicles
Valkyria Chronicles
Red Dead Revolver 2
Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm
DC Universe
Driver
Eye of Judgment 2

Rumor
Uncharted 2
Jak & Daxter PS3
Heavenly Sword 2

And many more great exclusives from:
Rockstar Games
Square-Enix
Konami
NCSoft
SCEA
Eat Sleep Play
Team ICO

3.Free PLAYSTATION Network service plus Qore the new pay service just $25 and soon HOME.

4.Reliability and design the PS3 looks stylish futuristic very powerful gaming system i don’t call it console that for amateur.

5.DualShock 3 PLAYSTATION Eye Epson Printer Support
Memory Stick SD Card Compact Flash PSP

6.Better and easier Xross Media Bar with more audio and video codec than Xbox 360.

7. Web Browser that just sweet plus frequently new Firmware Updates and Foldin@Home saving lifes from your own house.

8.Video game developers and publishers support all type of genre can be found on the PlayStation brand unlike Xbox 360 just full of over hype First Person Shooter most which are also avaible on PLAYSTATION 3.

9.PS1 games plus PS3-PSP remote play that’s huge feature being able to go on your PS3 from anywhere in the world and use like you were at home using wireless hotspot.

10.Price just $499.99 for the 40 GB PLAYSTATION 3 or $599.99 for new Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Bundle launching on June 12,2008 with the new DualShock 3 controller and plus the MGS4 game.

If you buy the PS3 you will never ever regret it. You will love it like you already love your precious PS1 and PS2 consoles and maybe PSP which is my love. If you start looking at just facts Xbox 350 cost more than the PS3 just the WiFi adapter for Xbox 360 cost $100 and the Hard drive $180 plus all the features missing from Xbox 360 here is the massive list the PS3 already has them all free.
Folding@Home
Web Browser
Other Consoles connectivity like the PSP
Printer
Memory Stick SD Card Compact Flash Slots
Screensavers
Wallpaper like a photo of yourself you only allow what they want.
ATRAC3plus audio codec missing on Xbox 360
Quietness Xbox 360 is really loud when is on.
Microsoft just makes some crappy games the rest they just publish they got no talent to make compelling games for kids or adult lucky you PS3 owners Sony has a lot of talent in everything they do.
Support Customer Service is a joke
Xbox 360 all version get Red Light of Death which means a dead console no good bad hardware.
There’s many more but i gotta go back to playing my PLAYSTATION 3 too tired to continue saying how crap Microsoft’s Xbox 360 has always been.

Xbox brand is destine to come to a fall and fade out we all know that Microsoft is getting scare worry, every day that Sony’s PLAYSTATION 3 gets one of their must have exclusives. PLAYSTATION 3 is catching Xbox 360 sales at at new faster rate now outselling the poor dying Xbox month by Month. Sony creates and buy games also publishers them and help developers with the cost. Microsoft just tries to acquire FPS rights they don’t bother trying to make a game no talent. Xbox 360 is alive because Microsoft is never going to face defeat they rather lose money like they do with every single product they try to create and also Xbox Live is paying obviously not for the server since they are horrible but for the huge loses they having like 6 billions. They still haven’t fix the Red Light of Death issue even Elite models have massive problems and the DVD disc drive still way too noisy. The movies and shows and even games Microsoft sells on Xbox Live those things are suppose to be profitable for Microsoft Xbox 360 right. But Microsoft is using that money to try and tell their consumers they are getting profit by selling the consoles which is a huge lie. Xbox 360 is form of and kept going all this time by words like lies,denial,confusion, and stolen money from consumers. Plus most American are Xbox 360 FANBOYS since is an American gaming console. Sony’s PLAYSTATION 3 was design by visionary people that know and loves high tech technology. When you look at the system itself it looks beautiful stylish sexy color not plastic white or a black PS3 color rip off aka Xbox 360 ELITE. If you are a real gamer that is not a fanboy or you a fanboy but still love games you need a PLAYSTATION 3. PS1 and PS2 230 millions consoles sold combine sells with thousands of games from a wide variety of game developer and publishers and Sony it self.. Home beta will be launch officially this fall on PLAYSTATION 3 it will include a video service for movies and shows not 720p like Xbox 360 but in full 1080p resolution and Home will also have Accomplishment and Trophies for games so when you playing a game you know you getting something in return for your skills not just points which are worthless aka Gamerscore. PLAYSTATION 3 will make Xbox 360 obsolete soon if they don’t do it themselves. I like both consoles for what they truly are not for what others try to tell me it is…

My PSN ID: Ivan-
My Gamertag: Ivan PSP

Theres actually alot of games coming out for the 360 Saigon, especially more rpgs, and in the US ffxiii will have the same release date. M$ has been trying to get alot more variety of games on board. I actually went to get a ps3 for mgs4 and ended up getting a 360 isntead, because of the games coming out for it. Unfortunatly its an easy system to develope for so its always going to have more exclusives even if they arent good ones. A game like earth defense force 2017 wont make it onto ps3 just because its a low budget game and making it for ps3 would just cost to much. Not that it was a great game but it was cheap and fun.
The fact is sony’s cell processor is over hyped and not much more powerful then the 360′s if at all. Theoreticly the cell should be capable 133 gflops but it drops to 114. 360 is 115 and much much easier to develope for. Epic even stated they couldnt get Gears to run on the ps3.

this guys did his homework and has a tech breakdown comparison

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25691726

heres an old linup for this christmass, im sure its changed

http://www.digitalmagazine.com.au/2008/05/24/xbox-360-annihilates-ps3-with-two-times-more-exclusives/

either way both have good games and if not for my beloved pc, i had to make a choice of which console i wanted, but i wish i could afford them both. Ill miss mgs4 or play it at a friends house.

Ivan you are funny, say you not a fanboy, and list a bunch of games that are not even released yet, they only one on your list is MGS4 and Metal Gear Online, all the rest are in the future, I think I will wait until they actually come out, and then decide if the ps3 is worth it. It is nice you are able to live in the future, but the rest of us live in the current.

When Japan and China completely own the U.S. I will be sure to thank all the sony fanboys. Who cares about bluray when you can stream unlimited hidef movies via netflix for 8.99 a month directly to your 360. The future is here streaming content not a disc technology that started in early eighties. Think about it ? Discs are on there way out, people would rather use an mp3 player not a discman. Once again to little to late for sonys lying ass

” 1.Blu-ray Disc”
The blueray disc is nothing special, just more storage at the cost of disc read speed.

“2.PLAYSTATION 3 exclusives”
xbox has plenty of good exclusives and nothing but mgs4 looks good to me.

“3.Free PLAYSTATION Network service plus Qore the new pay service just $25 and soon HOME.”
The free playstation service is crap compared to the live network right now, im willing to spend 7.99 a month for the quality.

“4.Reliability and design the PS3 looks stylish futuristic very powerful gaming system i don’t call it console that for amateur.”
The launch 360s did have a high failure rate but M$ extended the warranty, the new hardware rivision has the same failure rate as the ps3. Looks dont matter and shouldnt be grouped with reliablity.

“5.DualShock 3 PLAYSTATION Eye Epson Printer Support
Memory Stick SD Card Compact Flash PSP”
Please make use of competant sentances.

“6.Better and easier Xross Media Bar with more audio and video codec than Xbox 360.”
I dont own a ps3 so i dont know what Xross media bar is explanations please.

“7. Web Browser that just sweet plus frequently new Firmware Updates and Foldin@Home saving lifes from your own house.”
I dont need a webbrowser, i have a pc for that, xbox has updates and they dont nuke the systems like 2.4 did. Foldin@home is almost cool but not anything that makes the system better…

“8.Video game developers and publishers support all type of genre can be found on the PlayStation brand unlike Xbox 360 just full of over hype First Person Shooter most which are also avaible on PLAYSTATION 3″
360 this christmass has a huge variety of games coming out, Actually more so then the ps3… which is why i ended up with a 360 over a ps3. We also have more low budget titles not the best games around but can be entertaining. PS3 lost these developers with the over hyped cell processor.

“9.PS1 games plus PS3-PSP remote play that’s huge feature being able to go on your PS3 from anywhere in the world and use like you were at home using wireless hotspot.”
PS1 games is a cool feature, but the ps3 psp remote i could care less about. If i leave my house, its not to play with a psp.

“10.Price just $499.99 for the 40 GB PLAYSTATION 3 or $599.99 for new Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Bundle launching on June 12,2008 with the new DualShock 3 controller and plus the MGS4 game.”
There is absolutly no need for a game console to be this expensive, yes with a 360 if you buy the core for 270 then all of the accesories after its very very expensive but with a pro bundle for 350 with a 60gb hdd is plenty. 299 for the 20gb model right now which is still plenty. Sony brand forces you to buy everything which is one of the reasons i went with a 360, they have more reasonable prices for a gaming system. Now if i needed a dvd player/pc/gaming system the ps3 is looking a little more reasonable.

The rest of ivan_psp’s post is obvious fanboy rant for sony’s console. Now i wish i had a ps3 but the price tag just isnt worth it for me, most of the features are just more then what i need and as a game system its not better hardware wise as the 360. The trophies and home that ps3 is getting, well 360 has had achievements from launch and every game has them. The live service is a great service and has been since launch and getting some cool feartures in the future, like the avatars, or mii60s as some would call it. I had a launch 360 that died and i bought another with the hardware revision, and these were surprisingly quiet. And you say M$ has lost a lot of money, what about sony announcing they were sunk 3.3 billion from the ps3.

Im not a 360 fanboy, but guilty pc fanboy. but M$ has made alot of better choices. And right now ps3 just doesnt look like a buy. Since i already have a pc, i have plenty of shooters at my disposal. But i thought the games coming out for 360 had more variety, specially with rpgs. 360 has a stronger network since M$ is all about quality controll on it, which does make copying saves and where you can move them too much more strict, but that makes the achievements that much better since there’s almost no way to cheat. I think Sony would be doing much much better if they came out with a cheaper system that didnt cost so much and force people to get all that xtra that bloats the cost. The core 360 might not come with much but it lets you play the games and if thats all your looking for, then the ps3 is obviously a bad choice.

Ivan_psp (and Ivan alone… not intended for other PS3 owners)…
I love HALO… and Gears of War. Deal with it. I like MGS series (especially MGS4), but I dont love it. Deal with it. People might just like XBOX games better than PS3. Now go and cry your eyes out you little whiny girl
Peace to the rest of the PS3 and Xbox owners!

I’ve got the 360 and ps3…. well it’s my 3rd xbox360 and it will be my last! the ps3 is far better…. I notice your all going on about the ram in both systems! Well the ps3 uses 256mbXDR ram clocking at 3.2 ghz, and the ps3 dont get the red ring ov death.

There has been a lot of talk about the Playstation 3’s Random Access Memory (RAM) vs Xbox 360’s RAM, saying that the 360 has more RAM to work with etc. Here’s an article to explain the situation of its RAM.

Just so you know that the PS3 has 512MB of RAM (256 for video and 256 for system). The Cell chip has 256MB of completely sharable RAM, the GPU has 256MB of dedicated RAM. Now the key here is what type of RAM it is.

The Playstation 3 has 256mb of GDDR3 at 700mhz and 256Mb of XDR at 3.2ghz. So what exactly is XDR ram? Here are some of the highlights:

XDR makes PS3 super effiecient
XDR aids in faster cache mapping, both direct and indirect
XDR ram works by a pointer to pointer technology and needs very small buswidth for execution
XDR is not just faster than GDDR3 but it is much more efficient
XDR RAM works by breaking down data into several packets which prevents data loss and exceptions
The Rambus XDR™ memory architecture is a total memory system solution that achieves an order of magnitude higher performance than today’s standard memories while utilizing the fewest ICs. Perfect for compute and consumer electronics applications

The PS3 has two times as much cache at 2x the speed, making it way faster for direct/indirect mapping. Not only that but it has 512k of L1 cache + 1.7m of L2 cache for the 7 spes. The PS3’s GPU, RSX was made to work with the Cell processor, it is not some GPU they took and slotted in. It is made to be compatible with the Cell.

More RAM does not mean a faster system it means more data can be stored in a fast access area. Games don’t always need 512mb of RAM.

The RSX can freely use as much of the 512MB total RAM that the PS3 has because the Cell doesn’t need much RAM because its fast enough. And the fact that the PS3 has XDR means that it has faster access to data files.

A lot of people are saying that the RSX only has 256mb of RAM, whereas the 360’s GPU has 512MB of RAM. To make it sound a bit simpler, here’s the real deal. The PS3 has it’s RAM in two separate parts, 256MB for the RSX and 256MB that can be used be either the Cell or RSX.

XDR ram is 12x faster than the typical PC ram.
-ps3 ram operates at 3.2 GHz.

ps3 ram
256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz -CPU
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz-GPU

xbox360
512 MB GDDR3 RAM @ 700 MHz DDR (SHARED)
Unified architecture

What do you notice?
ps3 256 mb ram CPU ram operates at 3.2 GHz.
360′s 512mb shared ram operates at 700 MHz.

-This is an example of how ps3 creates more with little. Clearly the ps3′s 256mb CPU Ram operates way faster than the xbox360
.Even if 360′s Ram in unified.

Ps3 CPU ram beats xbox360′s CPU ram. The better ram, the faster, and better performance. Ps3 will be faster, and have better performance than the 360.

xbox360 shares its ram.
This slows down 360′s CPU. Like intergrated G-cards do with Computers. Intergrated G-cards share the computers ram, i know i have one. This slows down my computer alote.

Graphics Cards will be dead soon as multicore CPU’s will be able to number crunch alot better than any GPU…. One more to sony! the CELL BE 9 cores etc etc. Dont get me wrong I love my 360 but the ps3 wins hands down

Check this link out http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-Multi-Core-CPU-039-s-Will-Get-Your-Graphics-Card-Killed-82565.shtml

Ps3 people always seem to readily trash the 360, yet most have never played on one.I used to be a playstation man too, but when ps3 was delayed i got a 360.I have not looked back wthout it i would have missed halo 3,bioshock,M.E,etc…Only regret msg4 & blu ray.

Ps3 and Xbox 360 have their own abilities and limitations. Halo is an amazing game. Resistance is also very amazing game MGS4 has AMAZING graphics. Xbox 360 has great online play, Ps3 has HOME. Though i like the Ps3 better Xbox 360 is also an awesome platform. The Wii is no less.

“Ps3 and Xbox 360 have their own abilities and limitations. Halo is an amazing game. Resistance is also very amazing game MGS4 has AMAZING graphics. Xbox 360 has great online play, Ps3 has HOME. Though i like the Ps3 better Xbox 360 is also an awesome platform. The Wii is no less”………. agree each has positive features, but regarding HOME, lets kept comparisions to actual shipping/available items. Home isn’t here, and no one knows when it will be, like a few other poster above, listing the ps3 game library of a half dozen games that won’t be out for a least a year. maybe two, and they act as if the games are out now.

best game in world is got to be grand theft auto 4 it is amazin xbox 360 is loads better than a ps3 u all suck who think that it ant

lets all be honest here…. yes both systems are great…. but the main reason the ps3 has game selection issues is because the architecture is way over the developers heads… when the game developers decide to do their homework and learn how to make games for the ps3(not half ass ports) all will be well…

P.S. I hate to talk about the “future”…. but sometimes you have to prepare for it or you will miss out.

P.S.S. Vista Sucks…. run Linux!

WoRd!

ok gta54 looks allot betteron ps3 and it does not load because it saves to the harddrive to prevent loading dumb ass

Funny MGS4 sells 2 mil in a week and boosts PS3 sales halo 3 sells 2 mil in 2 weeks and 360 sales dont budge
and halo’s for fanboys anyways, the same 8 mil bought halo 3 as halo 2 and spent twice as much for the same game with forge