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Xbox 360 prototype worker switches to Sony PS3

Xbox 360 prototype worker switches to Sony PS3

By: Daniel Chubb | July 22, 2008 | 55 Comments

Xbox 360 worker switches to Sony PS3

We all know that the Xbox 360 hardware has had more problems than the Nintendo Wii and Playstation 3 combined, RROD has become a joke and also public debate of why it happened.

The Xbox 360 does a lot right on the software front, but many news sites have long guessed that Microsoft rushed the 360 to beat the Sony PS3 to the market.

Today we have had some information sent in from someone who goes by the name of “Chris” and claims to of worked on the original Xbox 360 prototypes back in 2004.

They say that Microsoft’s biggest mistake was launching the 360 a year earlier than the PS3 and it’s this reason why there have been so many hardware issues.

The thing that jumps out at me, as I’ve noticed since launch, is that the PS3 costs much more than $400, $500, even $600 to produce, yet Sony still sells the console for less, and it’s all for the consumer.

I actually worked with Microsoft on the original Xbox 360 prototypes back in 2004, and, despite the accumulated cost of the hardware, Microsoft increased the price of retail sale above the production cost.

By the 360’s launch, I was a bit ashamed to see that the Xbox 360 was so expensive even though it was cheap to produce, and that’s when several other Microsoft devs in my group and I were surprised to see that the PS3 launched at only $600.

As a developer, I was really curious about each console’s hardware, and if we had put the Playstation 3’s hardware in our original Xbox 360 prototype, it would have cost well over $700.

The Playstation 3 consists of well over $750, but I’m amazed that Sony can sell the console for $400. In my opinion, that was a very smart move on Sony’s behalf.

Due to work terms, I’ve been prohibited from saying this until early 2008, but Microsoft severely rushed development of the 360, and we had a very short time window to work with in order to launch the 360 a year earlier. That was our, and Microsoft’s, biggest mistake.

As a result, the Xbox 360 has major hardware issues. I switched over to the PS3 when my Xbox 360, the console that I helped develop, RROD’d for the 4th time.

If what Chris says were true then it would explain all the Xbox 360 problems since launch, feel free to leave a comment below or read more Xbox 360 news.

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  • John

    How about doing some journalism and finding a real story instead of quoting some idiot claiming to be a M$ employee, if you can’t tell that he’s a fake then perhaps you would be interested in buying a nice litte beachfront property from me in Switzerland?

  • rick

    What is funny is that your comments sound like some ps3 fanboy. You are posting anonymous, what is the difference if you posted this years ago or today?
    What is really funny to me is that Sony losses total $3.3 billion since the launch of the PS3. The head of the PS3 division got fired quietly last year.

    The microsoft division that includes Xbo360 is showing a $426 million gain. This is important considering they lost an estimated $1billion on the red ring of death.
    Sony may never see a profit for the PS3. They would have to sell 55 million units of software at $60.00 to just break even! Assuming they get 100% of the profit for the sell of the game. (they dont)
    Finally Microsoft teamed up with Netflix. Media over the net is the wave of the future. DVD’s, CD’s are on the way out. This was a great move by Microsoft.
    10,000 videos on demand at one click of the button? All for $15.99 a month??
    The ps3 has no shot to compete.

  • Gareth Williams

    Daniel. I know it sucks getting comments of people having apop about your work. However, there’s nothing new in this stoy – and nothing that couldn’t be found in Dean Takahashi’s blog posts. In fact, there’s no inside information at all.

    I can tell you now, that Microsoft only makes money on the Elite model of Xbox 360, and I don’t work at Microsoft.

    What you have here, is a guy that never worked for Microsoft – or if he did, he’s not really talking in detail at all.

    A) Sony’s cost for an 80GB PS3 is approximately $600 currently, and to launch at well under your cost price isn’t a smart move – it’s something you need to do to stay in the game. If this guy is really from Sony, previously of Microsoft, then maybe he should spit some numbers and facts out. I know a few – perhaps I’ll go and write somewhere that I worked for Microsoft, but actually let out some really info.

    Anyway Dan. story not good.

  • EricTetz

    I’ve had three 360s RROD on me, too.

    My mom recently decided to buy Rockband. She doesn’t have a console. We ruled out Wii and PS2 because no downloadable tracks, leaving 360 and PS3. I recommended she pay more, and get it on the PS3.

    I don’t own a PS3, and never even owned a PS2. I bought 100+ Xbox games, and a 360 at launch. I think the 360 has the best controller ever made, Arcade is fantastic, and the 360 has the best game library. But I could never in good conscience recommend the 360 to anyone. The hardware is complete shit; noisy as hell and ridiculously failure prone. If I could have all my 360 games on the PS3, I’d ditch this platform in a heartbeat and never look back.

  • frito

    I wonder what the PS4 and XBOX 720 are going to cost?

    $700? $1000?

    funny thing is, computers are steadily falling in price and consoles are getting more expensive…what a flip-flop!

    good thing is, the PS4 won’t have a new dvd system next time, so maybe it won’t bve so damn expensive at launch!

    Hopefully Microsoft has fixed the problem with the elite systems and the new smaller chip models coming soon…

  • ASSEMblerEX

    “I can tell you now, that Microsoft only makes money on the Elite model of Xbox 360, and I don’t work at Microsoft.”

    Thanks for pointing out how ineligible you are to comment.on this.

    I’d rather listen to a former employee then someone pontificating without any references or proof to back up his statements.

  • PS3 Owner

    I don’t need Chris to tell me that, I’ve suspected it for a long time. Personally I think that is almost certainly the case.

    You just need to look at the PS3 sales since launch vs the 360′s sales for the same period – the PS3 has sold approx 3.5M more globally than the 360, despite a lot of things working in favour of the 360 and against the PS3.

    Had they have launched together the 360 would now be dead last in the console ware, and MS would be seriously considering pulling out of the console market altogether.

    However MS knowlingly released a flawed producted too early at the expense of functionality, longevity, and reliability (and at the expense original Xbox owners since they killed that straight away – there’s a lot of PS2 owners thankful Sony didn’t take the same greedy approach).

    You can see why they did it though, there entire strategy and marketing/PR spin is based over this perceived lead in the console market, and they do a wonderful job the masking all the negatives like the RROD and price of accessories/addons that are in the PS3 as standard.

    I feel sorry for 360 owners that have fell for it…

  • Dan
  • jojo

    HAHA, another defeat for xbox. Xbox will end up like dreamcast and PS3 will rule.

  • EricTetz

    “I feel sorry for 360 owners that have fell for it…”

    Well, that’s a little strong. We were playing next gen games a year before you. There’s still nothing on PS3 that I give a rat’s ass about. The most compelling app for PS3 that I’ve seen is LittleBigPlanet.

  • jojo

    ^
    ^
    ^
    “Well, that’s a little strong. We were playing next gen games a year before you. There’s still nothing on PS3 that I give a rat’s ass about. The most compelling app for PS3 that I’ve seen is LittleBigPlanet.”

    Eric,

    I think you need a Ps3 so you can feel better. …. MEtal Gear, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Tekken 6, Littlebig planet, Warhawk, Fatal Inertia, Wipeout,Vampire Rain, GOD OF WAR 3, Gran Turismo.. Am I missing somethin, HAHA. To bad not even nintendo will have any of those games . Only PS3 owners. Will be playing those while you guys play Childish HALO, OHHH MANN. HALO watch out. Bungie is now working multi platform. There goes your only big gun.

  • NYC

    Had no idea this was such a Sony fnaboy site. Wow, impressive. The only reason Sony sold anything was due to the BR player and MGS4. After that? No real reason to buy one. I bought for the player in hopes that a game would come out worth a crap. MGS4 is good, but come on. Put a freaking game out. Until then, COD4 is better on the 360, GOW, H3, Mass Effect, are 4 reasons not to buy a Ps3. Do not tell me Resistance, or Killzone rivals any Halo game, or GOW . in any capacity. Sonys SW attach rate is abismal. I have Drakes and thats ok, but come the f on. Now with GOW2 and the new Halo games? Only game I cant play on a 360 is MGS lol. Add I can download instantaneously a NetFlix movie? Last nail in the coffin. So sony step up and put a GOW/Halo type of game out, otherwise, you are just a pretty BR player. No fanboy here, I just go where the games are.

  • NYC

    Oh and btw. This douche is an tool.

  • jojo

    GOW, H3, Mass Effect arent shit compared to PS3 exclusives,Are you blind or something????????????????????????????????????They dont even compare, graphically ,creativly or the fun factor

  • jojo

    Metal Gear is that type of game buddy and Killzone is the same type of game like halo and GOW, and there gonna be wayyy better. Of course they are BLU RAY DUhhhh

  • EricT

    jojo: “I think you need a Ps3 so you can feel better. …. MEtal Gear, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Tekken 6, Littlebig planet, Warhawk, Fatal Inertia, Wipeout,Vampire Rain, GOD OF WAR 3, Gran Turismo..”

    I want LittleBigPlanet badly (not out yet). I’m interested in Wipeout (not out yet). Marginally interested in Killzone 2 (not out yet). Noticing a trend here? I have interest in any of the other games on your list.

    By the way, Fatal Inertia’s also out on 360 (complete shit).

    jojo: “Will be playing those while you guys play Childish HALO, OHHH MANN. HALO watch out.”

    *lol* I thought you were actually contributing to this discussion, but it turns out you’re just a 12 year old fanboy. Talk about childish. Only little kids pledge undying loyalty to brand names as if they were freakin’ sports teams. As an adult, I don’t give a shit who makes the console I buy. I bought a 360 because (1) it came out first, (2) it has games I wanted to play. I haven’t bought a PS3 because it has no exclusives I’m interested in. I’ll probably get one when LittleBigPlanet comes out.

  • jojo

    EricT

    Call it wat you want but HALO is actually childish. OK. MEtal Gear NO. Killzone No. And i guess i did make a little mistake wit fatal inertia but no reason to go nuts, you guys wont have wipe out which will be the same thing just much better. You bought a 360 cause it came out first exactly, thats the exact reason u stick up for it cause u dont want to start over , there for your jealous??? So get a better job and buy a PS3. N dont gimme that bullshit that there arent any exclusive titles ur intrested in????MEtal Gear, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Tekken 6, Littlebig planet, Warhawk, Wipeout,Vampire Rain, GOD OF WAR 3, Gran Turismo. GET THE HELL outta here,. Now you know thats not true, who wouldnt want to play those games. You cant say a good game is bad. If you like halo you should like most of the exclusive titles for PS3 cause some of them are FPS.You guys just dont want to admit it that another console is on the rise. Not to mention that mocrosoft has 7 Billion in losses and only sold 20 million Units worldwide.While PS3 is only in 3.3 Billion in losses and has sold almost 15 Billion units world wide. Sony is very close in way shorter time. NOT TO MENTION BLU RAY. get a ps3

  • EricT

    “Call it wat you want”

    Best selling exclusive this generation. Jealousy’s a bitch, huh?

    BTW: wat = “what”

    “You bought a 360 cause it came out first exactly, thats the exact reason u stick up for it cause u dont want to start over , there for your jealous???”

    Um, I’m a grown up (unlike yourself). I have a job, I can buy any console I want. There’s nothing to get jealous about. I WILL own a PS3, when it has games I want. It’s that simple. In the meantime, I’ve been playing Halo, Gears of War, Bioshock, and others, while you have played.. what? Resistance?! *lol*

    “arent any exclusive titles ur intrested in????MEtal Gear, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Tekken 6, Littlebig planet, Warhawk, Wipeout,Vampire Rain, GOD OF WAR 3, Gran Turismo.”

    Um, you already post that list, bonehead. Did you forget? Again, the only games on that list that I’m interested in are NOT OUT YET. Is that hard to understand? Do you have reading comprehension issues? Low IQ? What’s the problem?

    “You cant say a good game is bad.”

    Like you did with Halo?

    “If you like halo you should like most of the exclusive titles for PS3 cause some of them are FPS.”

    You listed 10 games. Two of them are FPS. That’s 20%. I suggest you grab a dictionary and look up the word “most”. You clearly don’t know what it means.

  • rick

    EricT
    Microsoft $7 billion in losses?
    LOL
    Where did you grab this figure fanboy?
    The Microsoft Entertainment & Devices Division Posted a profit of $426 million for the year.
    Revenue is up 34% in this division up to $8.15 BILLION!
    Where are you getting your $7 billion in losses?
    What is also funny about the numbers is that a BIG portion of the money went into advertising for VISTA.
    Had it not been for the $1.1 billion loss due to the red ring of death and who knows how many hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising for Vista the division would have posted at least a $1.8 Billion in profit for the year!
    That is insane.

  • Graham Klerks

    This old nutshell eh. Hmm, well the Xbox360 suffers from the same flaw the PS2 did, and that’s called being designed poorly. Now whether this guy actually did or didn’t work for M$ is irrelevant. It is a poorly designed console. Ask anyone with some hardware knowledge, I build PC’s, and I’m telling you, there is too much heat and not enough fans to get that heat out.

    Call me any sort of fanboy you want, but I own 2 Xbox360′s, a PS3, a Wii, and a PC worth £2k. My Xbox has RROD’d twice, and I hear as many reports in work (I work in a game store) about X360′s RROD’ing as PS2 laser’s dying. It’s about cutting corners and greed. Most companies are capable of it, you guys bitching about it, isn’t gonna matter two cents to them.

    Simple matter of the fact is, the Xbox has more games out, the PS3 is, and I repeat, IS the most powerful console, but it doesn’t have the installed base or the attach rate the X360 does currently. Sony are playing the long-term game and in the long run, I think it’s gonna be a pretty close-run thing. The Wii is selling more then both consoles combined, but I’ve not played mine in months lol.

    Btw guys, saying your console is better then some other guys console doesn’t make it so. This debate goes back to Nintendo & Sega over who had the better – Mega Drive or Super Nintendo. I picked Nintendo then, I’ll pick Nintendo now. As for hard-core, I’ll have to go with PS3.

    Don’t flame me. Go and play a game on your ‘enter console name here’, Instead of arguing about it.

  • j.

    What is the point of putting one console up agienst each other if you already own one. You are just gonna talk trash about theoneyou don’t own. Microsoft yes is in the lead as of now, but that could change….and you know what IT DOESNT MATTER. None of the next gen consoles are going away. NONE have exclusives that the other doesn’t have a counterpart to. And for games that are on both systems, yes there are games that will be better on one while there will be games that are better on the other too. Yes Sony has blueray, ok… Microsoft has Xbox live and now more software features. The 2 systems balance out. PS3 has more hardware. No one should be knocking halo 3 as its sales numbers speak for them selves. Most these fanboys are talking trash and didn’t even buy a system themselves. They went MOMMY i want this and whined until they got it, much like there whining now until they feel you agree with them.

  • Rap

    I don’t think theres a need to fight about the two consoles. Since there is really no point, both systems have their advantages and disadvantages. That is why i bought both. There shouldnt be a PS3 or 360 war… The point of both system is for you to enjoy. XBox fixed thier problem with the RROD and new games are coming out for PS3. Both companies just want your money this is why there is all this hype for the “Console War”…If the system is really for consumers both systems will be given away for free. Am I right or Am i right? You should all be happy there have been improvements in the Video Game Market. If not you’ll still be playing pong or pacman to this date!

  • EricT

    “EricT Microsoft $7 billion in losses? LOL
    Where did you grab this figure fanboy?”

    Why are you saying “EricT”? I didn’t say that. The only fanboy around here is jojo.

  • Golden

    I have the x box 360 and a ps3, and it’s not even a contest. The x box blows the ps3 out of the water. There hasn’t been a single title I’ve wanted to play on the ps3, I tried Metal Gear Solid 4, but like all the others, it bored me. Resistance was a horrible shooter compared to anything, but Gears of War on the 360 is as good as it gets. Anyone that owns both systems know that Sony puts almost nothing into their online rooms. The $50 I spend each year on x box is worth every penny because x box live runs almost effortlessly. I am excited for God of War 3, but I had to wait a year and a half to play something that might be worth the money I spent on a rushed system. The ps3 is a great blu-ray player, if you don’t burn down your house by falling asleep with the system on. It runs very hot, and if you have it in an enclosed entertainment center, the engine will probably burn itself out. I did have my original x box 360 red light me 3 different times, requiring me to send it in for repair. On the 4th red light Microsoft did a system overhaul replacing all the inner componants of my system, and it has worked perfectly since. Still even though my 360 has broken 4 times, x box paid for everything, and if anything goes wrong they will replace it or refund my money. Thats great customer service, anda company willing to pay a billion dollars to make gamers happy. When will the ps3 make me happy?

  • Fasty

    Chris now works at sonydefenseforce.com

    Seriously. I could write you an e-mail claiming to be on the creative team behind Xbox LIve or Sixaxis or friend codes and you’d just believe me and post it? This site rocks!

  • MadScientist

    Golden – You should know better than to enclose equipment that produces heat. I’ve had the PS3 since Dec. 2007 and it has been running Folding@Home 24/7 -except when I play a game or watch a blu-ray movie. I haven’t had any heat issues because I use my brain and don’t try to overheat my equipment.
    I purchased a Xbox360 Nov. 2006 but I use the PS3 more. Thank goodness that I haven’t had the RROD, yet. Everyone has their personal preferences and I prefer the PS3.

  • You are not very smart, are you?

    Great journalistic work here, seriously, you should be fired. Oh wait, check your mail, “mike” just sent an email saying there’s peace in the middle east, it must be true!!!

  • Anthony K

    Obviously Golden, Sony will never make you happy and that is based on your statements. Sounds like if you could marry your XBOX 360 you would, I worked at a Walmart for 2 years. During that time I work in the Electronic department and I would have to say that almost everyday I worked we have a XBOX 360 returned due to scratched disk, overheating, etc (and yes the XBOX 360 does scratch disk) badly! However I did purchase a 360, had it for ohhhh 2 days and took it back, I know people like the GOW, but I personally hated the game (no fun at all, unless you play online) and I personally don’t want to deal with any snot nosed brat cussing at me online. 2 months later I got my money together and bought myself a PS3 60gb. I have 10 games and over 100 blu-ray’s and not looking back – best purchase I have ever made. Plus. PS!! – it cost less to upgrade the hard drive since it uses a standard 2.5″ drive!! I don’t have to resort to MS Properitary Hard drive interface (i know you can use USB, why should I??) plus my PS3 has had several Firmware upgrades and continues to add new features and no matter what is or isn’t on the PS network, one thing that strikes me is that it is FREE! and Sony still does what they can to bring me great games and demos and etc etc. PSSSS… The wedding is this Friday, LOL!!!!

  • jaime

    i sell my xbox 360
    its the worst console i owned in my life, and i have 30 years, so i owned a lot of consoles

  • demon

    okay golden , youve not played GT5 prologue then in 1080p and if everyone else in the world thinks MGS4 is good even non biased gaming sites and mags .would you be saying taht if it was on xbox -oh thats right it canm be it would require 7 dvds , go to VG CHARTZ and see how PS3 pumps xbox sales week in week out , and will soon overtake it in sales

    stick with your XBOX 3-FIX-ME, enjoy RROD and getting scammed to use wireless and play online

    i own all consoles and my Xbox is binned as it had one good game GOW . Wii is for fun party games only as the graphiocs suck ass .

  • KC

    The “PS3 has no games” argumeny is so last year. I really can’t believe people still try to argue that point. You would have to be in serious denial to not see the tide is turning for PS3. If Gears 2 hits PS3, I will closet my 360. Most people I know have stopped playing Halo and gone back to GOW or COD4. Final Fantasy was a big blow, but I’m not into the game anyway. I thought Bioshock going PS3 was bigger. As for Netflix, we could already DL movies and TV shows on 360, and now the PS3 also, but most people I know don’t use that feature very often. Every one I know that has bought a PS3 have been very impressed with it.

  • Schmagurty

    I think its so strange how people insist on finding reasons to dump on one system or the other…or basically the system that they didn’t buy. If you own an X Box, why do you care if it’s better than PS3 or not? My guess is maybe people have anxiety about making the wrong decision.

    I think both systems have their upsides. X Box has more games and the games are more refined at this point, whereas developers are still trying to catch up to making PS3 games. However, PS3 offers free online gaming and has the bluray player, whereas X Box makes you pay for online gaming and doesn’t have blu ray.

    I personally chose to buy a PS3, only because I owned a PS2 prior and wanted the added bluray functionality. However, I don’t feel the need to trash the X Box system just because I own a PS3. Point being, just be happy with purchase you made and stop getting so obsessed about the system you didn’t buy or like. When you drive your car down the road, do you trash the other people who bought cars made by other manufacturers? I would doubt it.

  • William Gunn

    Personally, and I’m speaking as a 360 owner, the 360 shouldn’t be called a next gen console. There is nothing next gen about it. All it is is a computer, normal cpu, normal graphics card normal everything. It even only uses dvd’s even though Microsoft supposedly backed hd-dvd’s. With all of that, the only truly innovating thing about it was the dashboard, but thats software which is not part of the console.

    Now lets take a look at the ps3.
    Innovative new processing power and graphics card (next gen)
    Motion sensing controller, 100% wireless (next gen)
    Blu ray discs (next gen)
    Little to no hardware failures

    And lets face it, because the 360 is so much like a computer (its even running a variation on windows!) developers find it easily to program for it and are able to already use all of it’s processing and graphics power.

    The ps3 on the other hand is new and innovative, and developers have yet to unleash its full potential, just look at the ps2, year after year, the games kept getting better with no hardware changes. This is what is going to happen to the PS3 and when it does, no 360 fanboy will make a stupid youtube comparison video between the PS3 and 360 graphics because there will be no comparison.

    P.S. Just because you don’t want to believe a person doesn’t mean he isn’t what he says he is, and until you can prove he NEVER worked for microsoft, then we have to assume he does, in this country you are innocent until proven guilty so fuck all you fan boys on either side, I say, the Wii is the way to go

  • Gibson

    I’d like to begin by stating that I am not a “fanboy”. I did however choose to keep my PS3 over my Xbox360. I simply enjoyed the fact that whatever game I was playing, did not kill my PS3. I did enjoy a couple of games on the 360, for about 20 minutes. After needing to send in my Xbox 4 times for “repairs”, I decided to trash it. I won’t try to get into the fact that the PS3 has better, more efficient, and higher powered hardware… because we can all go to wikipedia and read that for ourselves. I won’t comment on the 360′s killer games, like HALO… because if you like that game, good for you. I have some coloring books for sale online that may also interest you. No need to mention the Netflix joke either. If you are already paying Netflix, why pay M$ for the same thing? Granted M$ did manage to lure the FF series over (I guess if you’re willing to pay for it, then who wouldn’t take the money…. they took mine), but even if my 360 didn’t die, I’d still play in on the PS3 – mainly because it makes sense to play it on the better machine (see above). So now that you’ve read that, let me tell you how I’m not a fanboy. Sony sucks. Every single Sony product I’ve ever owned, save for the PS3, has crapped out. TV’s, Walkmans (may be showing my age there) CD Players, Recievers. I don’t buy Sony hardware any longer, but do know that my PS3 will last until the PS4 comes out…. and so far it’s doing much better then my 360 did. Now to post a comment the Xboy’s will understand…. Xbox Sucks cause it only has 4 little rubber boots to stand on. So take that M$…. next time make it 5!

  • Nynja

    People try to justify the Xbox 360 with one game, Halo or Gears of War. The same people who say MGS4 does not justify a PS3 purchase… lame.

    Anyone who says MGS4 is rubbish or any form of ‘crap’ is obviously jealous of the inability to play the game on their beloved console. Their means of dealing with the issue is to tell themselves the game sucks, so they can feel better about the situation. I suggest you quit lying to yourself, because IF the game ever came to the 360 (which it will not) you would be first in line to buy it.

    IGN has only given out 7 perfect scores, 10 out of 10. Only seven games ever. EVER. None of these titles were Xbox 360 exclusives. One of these was Metal Gear Solid 4. Quoting IGN, “MGS4 is a masterpiece.” Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it. They posed the question if it was even possible for them to give the game a score of “11/10″. But don’t just take IGN’s word for it, check GameInformer, Gamespot, or any other review site, note the average score is near Perfect.

    Anyone who claims CoD4 is better on 360 than PS3 is obviously full of feces. I know from personal experience; the offline version of both games are identical. The online portion – PS3 excels in gameplay, 360 excels in features. True statement. Question is, which one (gameplay or features) is more important to you.

    We all know the truth. We know when you begin to downplay MGS4, you really are just kidding yourself and trying to feel better about not experiencing the best game this generation so far.

  • NYC

    The aruguement is easily taken care of. If you have a 360, there is no reason, none whatsoever to buy a Ps3 other than its a BR player and maybe MGS4. thats it, end of story. If Sony gets a few decent games, its possible, but what game will come out better than whats available for the 360? Zero. I have both consoles and it collects dust, except for movies. Im playing frontlines, COD4, GOW, Halo 3, and Battlefield. Its an easy arguement. GOW 2 is coming, new Halo games, et al. Sony has missed this boat. On a minor note, Netflix downloads and the controller are head and shoulders to stick w or buy a 360. Ps3 controller is outdates and the online svc is a year away at best, and dont tell me its ok, because it isnt. Everything is a yr away w Sony, it just a fact.

  • Rick

    While I will agree that the PS3 is a very powerfull system very few games take advantage of the technology.
    For all the PS3 Fanboy’s that love the Blueray player.
    Quit buying your Blueray DVD’s NOW!
    Owning Media is old school.
    In the VERY near future all media will be streamed via the internet. No need to ever own a DVD or CD.

  • Nynja

    Hey NYC… I have a 360. I have a PS3 too. Guess what, MGS4 is better than any of the 360 games.

  • http://bob.com jim

    Thanks guys. Your endless, pointless rants make my day at work go by so much faster. Ive got this site bookmarked. I’ve got a PS3. I really dont understand why anyone would buy a 360. I just dont.

  • jim

    This guy is so full of crap. I can’t believe you even published this nonsense. How about waiting to confirm a story before publishing it.?
    This guy worked on the 360 YET he couldn’t fix or prevent his own RROD?. . . please.

  • DY

    We all know what each console is capable of. Sony is cool, but they made some bad choices. I went to them to play casual games, now I have to go to Nintendo for that. What gives?! Everyone knows the most powerful, fastest, and technologically advanced console NEVER FLIES OFF THE SHELVES. Wait a second, Sony said that I would have a dual core GPU or something. So why the hell is a PC-optimized nVidia 7800GTX in a PS3? Sony can’t keep killing themselves by selling the PS3 below what it costs. It’s not logical. Where is my content? Sony’s a big company, why does Microsoft have a billion things on XBL and PSN gets downloadable movies and TV shows now? They need to invest more and team up with Blockbuster, or something. Why are some developers going from exclusives to Xbox 360 too? Where’s the love? Don’t they give them the proper tools to code? Microsoft and Nintendo do. Keep Microsoft from taking you exclusives, Sony. MAKE A STAND!!! Why don’t Sony’s different divisions talk to each other? WTF!!! You have movies, music, telephones, and hardware. Have a sit down with them and talk it over. And again PSN is important and so is Home. Its hard for a hardware company such as Sony to understand that the software needs to work hand and hand with the hardware. Microsoft knew that. So they need to make some software and stop putting XP and Vista on their computers. Why can’t I use WiFi to play a game. Why should I have to pay extra for rumble? They give me motion controls when there are no games that use it. And don’t say Lair, which was a disappointment. Can I at least play music while a game on the same console.

    To Nynja. A word of wisdom, Opinions are like a-holes, everyone’s got one. I think Oblivion is better and Rock Band…..and Forza 2….and Orange Box, but that’s just me.

    And don’t say GT5 is going to be better because that’s like turning a knife in me. MGS4, if you didn’t notice, does not interest me. Killzone one was pretty bad so no KZ2 for me. GOW3? Maybe. Resistance was ok. Warhawk I liked. I was all wanting a PS3, but I don’t want to help destroy Sony either. I guess I’ll wait.

    BTW, my Xbox 360 has not RRODed. I put a fan on so I think that helped. Anyway, its Wii time!

    PS If anyone is wondering why I didn’t point out improvement for MS and Nintendo it’s because I’m impressed with their service and giving us cool new options that surprise us.

  • Mark

    I hate the MSG series well because i hate MSG 2 why should i have to watch a 15 minute CG. Same goes for Call Of Duty , i hated call of duty 2 so i will never play the series again! I hate halo 3 , GOW, and Killzone. i own a xbox because of too human, bioshock, RSV2, rockband, mass effect, fable, GTA4, elder scrolls, and the great online service ( yes i have to pay for it, but i have never had a problem) unlike my wii i hate playing games online with it. thats why i won’t buy a PS3 unless they get a new compleing game that catches my eye. I like the powerful hardware of the ps3 but not the games.

  • Gareth Williams

    In terms of my qaulifications to say that MIcrosoft only make money on the Xbox 360 model, I’ll offer my former jobs as evidence.

    360 Gamer Magazine – News Editor
    Freelance for CVG/Videogamer/Teletext/Electronics World and many many others.

    Oh, and I’ve been, or been invited to every UK MIcrosoft event in the last three years before moving into videogames pr.

    That enough for you?

  • Rick

    Gareth Williams,

    I don’t know about the UK but in the US the Xbox 360 has been making a slight profit on the sale of the hardware for almost 2 years now.

  • Jerad

    William Gunn:

    i couldnt agree with you more! Sony is going to kill the competition when they figure out how to use this new technology.

    i am so sick of hearing 360 this, 360 that. mark my words…”just wait and see”

    as for FF going multiplatform…that is Bullsh!t

    ok, I am done now. i think I’ll go play some PS3, hopefully i dont get the RROD…wait…i dont have to worry about that :)

  • Kmach

    I own all three systems, have no loyalty to any company, and really just go where the games are. I find it funny that the PS3 fanboys keep repeating, “just wait and see next year.” Wasn’t that what they were saying last year? I don’t understand why people can’t grasp the concept that this generation of gaming console is only going to last another 2yrs tops! How much time do you think Sony has? If there really aren’t many games coming out this year, then maybe the year after that AND maybe that year developers will learn how to squeeze the power out of the system…..given another 2 yrs Sony is going to start holding back their title development again for their next Playstation model.

    “Lazy” development or not, the bottom line is that many PS3 titles just aren’t that impressive. Spending $400 to $600 bucks on a system because it is supposed to be powerful and it is supposed to have games coming 1-2yrs from now? Stupid. Purchasing 100′s of way overpriced Blu Ray movies with your Wal-Mart paycheck when you could just download HD movies through netflix for a cheap price? Stupid.

    Anyway, looking at the history of consoles the most powerful unit often times doesn’t win and many never achieve their full potential becoming victims of recieving sloppy port after sloppy port..PS3..cough. Anyway, MS covers up their hardware with heavy PR campaigns and Sony covers up their garbage game line-up with heavy PR as well..”We are the most powerful console and will win the console war!” Believing in this propaganda is just stupid.

    The key to the next console war is EA. Should EA create their own console? Or should they partner up with a company who knows the ropes and can bring more to the table than games such as an excellent online service and downloadable HD content? JUST A PREDICTION but if MS can partner up with EA to make a gaming console, lights out to Sony and Nintendo.

  • threephase

    The haters will say that I, too, am a fake like “Chris,” but I was involved in the Xbox360 project (in the design area) way back when it was still being called “Xenon” and “Xbox 2″. I can confirm what Chris said – even back then, there was a big rush to get things settled and closer to shipping, and on top of that there were big, huge, massive egos (at M$? never! :) ) that kept trying to treat the platform as their pet project and jam completely ridiculous functions into it – stuff that properly belonged on a standalone PC, not a specialized game-player.

    Between the rush to get it out the door and the massive egos tussling over their oh-so-necessary pet functions, I’m surprised it even works as well as it does. The RROD stuff really is no surprise.

  • ray

    I was thrilled when i bought my first! X360 when i got it home tuned it on it was louder than my SLI-1200w PC! Put up with it for a while then got the overheating fault, onthe 1st, 2nd dvd-fault, 3rd, Elite-dvd falt! The best thinking about the x360 is i can backup my games thats its. Anyway after all the returns bought my PS3 60GB Jap Model with the PS2 Chip in it and the quality shines through on the hardware, its super silent, and the best has the power bits all in one box EXCELLENT WELL DONE SONY! granted there arent as many good games but thats now chaging MGS, GOW3 etc. I now only have my PS3 but if M$ can get it right with their revised model coming soon i will buy one but it has to be reliable, silent, and for god sake M$ get rid of the brick!! its bloody awful. I remember watching Jeff Allard is it? on creating the x360 = WE DESIGNED, WE TWEAKED IT, WE F****D IT UP more like it! SO here to M$ getting it right for the 5-6th time
    you have an opportunity to get it perfect so do it right :)

  • bioniccrab

    Uhmmm for all the idiots. The 360 Graphics chip is FAR more powerful than the 7800 GT. The microsoft chip is actually related to the 8000 series of Nvidia products not the older gen 7000s.

    Hate to break the news to you PS3 users but your system is closer to an original Xbox than a 360…

  • Nynja

    I’m not only a gamer but also an online gamer. I already pay enough monthly fees; phone, cable, mobile, insurance, rent, car, etc. The last thing I refuse to add to that list is gaming. That is a pointless fee. I own an Xbox 360, but will NEVER pay for online gaming. Microsoft has always been about raping the consumer for profit. Prime Example: Windows.

    Sure, lets give Microsoft another monopoly; home entertainment. No thank you. I am happy that someone entered the gaming arena to slap some sense into Sony. PSN would not exist if it weren’t for competition. PS3 would not be as feature filled if not for competition. If it were not for competition, Xbox 360 would cost as much as a high-end gaming PC. If it were not for competition, Xbox Live prices would not be the $50 a year.

    Competition is what makes the consumer the winner. Truth be told. Microsoft rushed the 360. We all know this; only blind fanboys refuse to believe it. That is what this article is about.

    to DY … and everyone else’s stink. I’m very familiar with the statement and guess what. Your’s smells really bad right now. It’s a shame you judge a game based on previous installments. That only limits your gaming options… incase you forgot that most games are sequels. To each their own.

    to MARK … I’m glad you don’t like MSG, it’s very bad for you.

  • Nynja

    to Rick … You probably aren’t old enough to buy your own things, right? That would explain your mentality. Stream at a cost; Dollar -and- Quality.

  • DY

    to Nynja

    Oh but you see you have to take the other installments into account. I mean who would want to buy Hour of Victory 2 or Lair 2? Or at least question it? They failed at what they wanted to accomplish, so why waste time and money on a second time around? You have to look at the series and see if there is any merit to it. I’ll give it a rental but nothing more. For me KZ1 was a bad experiance. But it may be a while since I don’t have a PS3, i play on my friends. I also understand your concern about XBL. Perfectly resonable, however, no revenue = less DLC. The revenue from XBL subscribers keeps the servers running, gets more DLC, and such. This might explain why the PSN is stunted in growth and the fact they were consentrated on Blu Ray. I don’t know. And you could be right about MS screwing us, but thats life. I could be just talking out of my @$$ but hey thats me.

    I has too much respeck for the PS brand. It is unfortunet my PSP is collecting dust. Nothing I want is on it. Suggestions before I take it to Gamestop so some child can enjoy it? I just remembered i still got a PS1. Gots to get rids of that.

    Major Nelson and E said i couldn’t has recon. Damn.

  • Nynja

    “This might explain why the PSN is stunted in growth…”

    Are you serious? You haven’t visited the PSN lately. As said before, I own both and compare frequently. Sure they have more old games. Explain to me why I want those? You won’t find new titles like Pixel Junk Eden, Everyday Shooter, Warhawk online, Super Stardust HD, Blast Factor, or even SOCOM on the 360. I have never downloaded any game on 360 because none of them interest me. For a paid service, I really don’t see much more except more advertisements. Do you really believe MS doesn’t receive royalties for them? The advertisements make up far more than what you pay. I think MS needs the live subscription for money to recoup the 1.1 billion dollar write off for the faulty product that would have received a recall in any other industry. A 30% failure rate is unacceptable for any consumer product. It has highest failure rate for a successful product that never had a recall.

    That’s fine, you keep wasting your money away while I get to play all the same games you can on my 360′s free Silver XBL membership and online on my PS3 for free (as for Gears or Halo, they are no match for CoD4 or SOCOM which starts TODAY!! – so no loss there)

    Nice chatting with you, have fun on your side.

  • DY

    To Nynja

    Well yeah stunted, imagine if they were making a profit out of the PS division. Like I said before, I play at my friend’s house so I don’t really see what they offer. I mostly go by ear. I have only heard of Warhawk Online and SOCOM. The others are ok and I wouldn’t buy them even if they were on the 360. I don’t think people mind the hardware failures because they still by 360′s. Remember that it used to be 75%, it’s getting better.

    Thank you! It’s been a pleasure chatting with you too. Have fun with both too!

  • guest

    dude…playstation 3 has all that netflix shit dumbass, and you dont have to pay for a netflix account AANND a dumb gold xbox livemembership