Sony PS3′s Grid vs Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (GT5): can you compare?

You may call it a poor excuse, Daniel. But, it’s the truth. Racers, don’t “plan” on crashing, therefore, having damage models for it is unnecessary. There is NO racing game, that compares to the GT series, because GT is a racing simulator. Games like Grid, Forza, PGR, Burnout, are all in a different genre. Not to mention that the damage models in all of the previously mentioned games, are hardly realistic. Realistically speaking, if you’re going 40 mph and hit a wall, your race is over. Let alone 90+ mph.

GT5 also is far far superior in car detail and topographical layout of their tracks. This isn’t a boast, it’s plain fact. Polyphony Digital is known for the utmost attention to detail, and as such, they had to make concessions to the car manufacturers (For all of the information that they used from the car manufacturers) via no car damage. This has been spoken of many times in many interviews with Kazunori Yamauchi.

So, for true GT fanatics, this issue is really not one. The 50 million or so GT buyers out there, agree that damage really isn’t a huge issue for people who are trying to race…as opposed to those who suck and just want to see a cool crash.

Morne

A simulator is supposed to simulate all eventualities. If you crash, be it purposely or not, you should get the correct result. The result Being damage. Forza is in the same mould as GT5 and the damage made all the difference to a race, even if it was not thoroughly realistic.

GT5 is a pretty game but I wouldn’t call it a racing simulator. A driving simulator yes. The races are dull. Drone cars on the track follow a preset course, never changing lanes or jostling for position. It is basically an extremely pretty PS1 game. I don’t think it has advanced since then at all in terms of game mechanics or AI.

I am a massive fan of GT5 but have become bored with just shiny graphical updates. I just hope this is addressed in the full game.

LoL Westy, I take it you don’t have an HDTV. People who say ANYTHING that runs @ 1080p, is just a ‘pretty’ PS1 game, pretty much lose all credibility.

It’s a racing simulator, because the handling and physics in that game mimics real life to such a degree that actual race car drivers (You know…the ones who do this for a living and make money for it), use this game for training purposes. Forza, PGR, etc… those games cannot boast the same argument.

Morne

Something tells me “grid” wont touch GT5 prologue sales…something Lol.

Matter of fact, it won’t come anywhere NEAR lol.

grid is too arcade like for me, just turning alone is nowhere near as close to how a car in gt prologue handles, and I agree with mornelithe damage is a non issue unless done right even at 40-50 mph your pretty much done in a race if you crash at that speed let alone higher speeds…..no other racing game mimics the feel of driving like gran turismo, professional drivers use the game for practice runs, car manufacturers use the game for inspiration building new vehicles, 50 millions gamers think its great, and as a demo game i still think it will top grid in sales which is a full version of the game

Just because crash damage can be somewhat modelled into today’s racing games, it doesn’t mean it should be. It’s entertaining in an arcadey sense, such as you have with GRID, but it’s far from realistic. At most if you have two cars slightly bump, then paint streaks or a torn fender apron might be plausible, but to have the sustained damage from repeated crashes you find in GRID or Forza is just not realistic. There is no way you’d be allowed to continue a race with that sort of damage in real life, so you’re seeing consequences that would never be plausable. I prefer the pure racing physics and experience you find in GT5 to the alternative with arcade damage.

Polyphony Digital is considering incorporating damage into the full GT 5 release based on user feedback. I think it would be a mistake to incorporate damage like Forza or GRID. However, if they incorporate realistic damage, such as you hit the corner wall and your car goes DNF, I’d be for that in pro mode. F1: Championship edition has that on PS3, and it really kicks up the stress levels a notch or two in a good way.

Wow, GT is NOT a racing sym. Grouping Forza and PGR while arguing that GT is a sym shows no credibilty.

GT and PGR have much more in common with each other than Forza has with either of those games. In PGR and GT’s arcade style racing, bouncing cars out of the way with no consequences is part of the action. The fact that PGR offers more gameplay elements than GT has in the past hardly supports any argument that they are different genres. They are both arcade racers.

Forza and other racing syms have damage and much more competitive AI. The fact that damage doesn’t end the race misses the point. You have to take it into account and use skill for passing rather than simply bumping, shunting or slamming other cars out of the way. Besides, haven’t you seen a NASCAR race?

The argument that GT, a arcade racer with no damage, is more a sym because Forza’s damage isn’t totally realistic is plain silly.

“no other racing game mimics the feel of driving like gran turismo, professional drivers use the game for practice runs…”

Professional drivers use Forza too.

I’ve watched touring cars races and a simple knock can damage the wheel arch or the suspension and put you out of the race.

Why is everbody so hung up on damage? If relistic damage was employed in GT5, half the muppets who race in GRID would not finish a race. Then they would be moaning beacuse its too difficult. If lewis hamilton drove like most people online on GRID, is race would be over on lap 1. Learn some skills on how to drive and race correctly first beforing asking for something that most of you would find frustrating.

I agree Ron, infact I can remember when CM2005 came out and people where complaining it was TOO difficult… However I personally don’t think I would feel a loss if all the losers driving lotus elise on GT5 where to stop playing because there where are actually consiquences to them taking me off the track, however that said I’d just be happy with a better penalty system on GT5 atm, I get penalised because someone runs into me?! Pffft…

In GT5 you have a choice. You can drive carefully and avoid hitting other cars and walls or ‘cheat’ by using walls and other cars to help you break. You can take an LM prototype and race production sedans or you can choose a car similar to your competition. You are playing the game, you set the limits and you derive satisfaction accordingly.

Gamers saying, “I do not plan on crashing” when asked if they miss the damage on GT5, is just a poor excuse

granted that the damage model is a missing element

But….why would anyone racing want to crash???? Seriously!!!
So smashing the car to bits and rewinding/reseting to try again is realism????

After reading all of this and looking at comparison videos, i downloaded Grid from the PSN. Played it…and immediately it struck me that this game was a glorified NFS. There is nothing mind blowing about it. It’s just like DiRT in numerous aspects. I have played every NFS game from NFS 1 to Pro Street. I am a racing fan.

Gran Turismo is not without it’s flaws…but comparing it to an arcade game like Grid is well…Wrong. Yes, it does feel a bit weird when I hit a car in GT5 and nothing happens…kinda dampens the realism. But then again I am not looking to crash. I have a Driving Force GT for prologue and the only thing it makes me wanna do is to race and race. I hope there are updates for the Damage Model. It’s not gonna make me wanna crash, It gonna make wanna drive more precisely. Which is what prologue is. A technical work of art.

GRiD may appeal to fps gamers, which is what it is for. But if you really wanna feel and understand what GT5 prologue is about, get the Driving Force GT. I promise you…you won’t bring up an discussion like this again.

There is only one racing sim for consoles that I am aware of, and that’s Forza. I’ve played GT, and I’ve played Forza. They are both VERY good, but I find Forza much more of a challenge and therefore more satisfying. Tuning your cars suspension, aero package, brakes and engine and winning a race against excellent AI by keeping things in working condition is a real challenge.

Less skilled drivers who prefer a more GT or PGR experience can lower damage and turn on traction control, ABS etc and set the AI to ‘retarded’.

ronhoward

apparently you did not finish all prologue events. Again, am not putting down any game…but once you finish the events A,B and C you get quick tune which allows for changing downforce, power, weight, damper, spring, turnin angle, ride height, brake balance, traction control, ABS and a couple more things….

Your either a Chevrolet person or Dodge or Ford or some other automobile lover person, but they’re all cars. Those that respond to grips about other opinions must know you’ll never convince others to take your side. As for me I won’t try to convince GT5P is better than GRiD but, I do see GT5P as a leader in racing sims, a bit boring when compared to the arcade style of grid, burnout, and others as they are lots of fun to play. I hope GT5 comes with realistic damage and maybe an option to turn it off for those dedicated fans. but all the same, every racing game out there has some leverage over the other, so enjoy your game and deal with it!

@i hate you all
clearly a ps3 fanboy gt5 sucks all it has achieved is the graphics part the rest is bumping of cars and abysmal AI jbreezy aint a fanboy hes actually speaking the truth and every response you give is “your a fanboy”.

ps your a joke like all the ps3 fans

Your a joke, did you graduate from junior high with your punctuation? If your a ps3 hater of boys does that mean your a lover of Xbox boys? Did mommy refuse you a ps3 therefore you hate Grand Turismo? What’s the point of saying anything if you don’t have anything to say that makes sense. What’s a good reason to say ps3 fans are a joke? I don’t who your talking about in your message but I’m a fan of ps3, and I’m not a joke.

as per damage et al. if anybody wants a “simulator” – play gt5p, if you bump, restart race.

i don’t think any physics engine can handle simulating a crash, too many variables ie. what if the tires got punctured? what if the fuel lines leaked? what if the fuel pump died on you? what if you should have bled?

or maybe get someone ram you with an instrument panel every time you smash?
or throw broken glass at your eyes?

think logitech r&d, and the next g25.. you have to sign a waiver every time you play.

I GUESS ALL OF YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED GRID ENOUGH. IT’S FAR MORE ENTERTAINING THAN GT5! WHAT HAPENS IS THAT ITS DRIVING IS MUCH MORE REALISTIC, AND SO, MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO DRIVE. AND YOU ONLY REALISE THAT AFTER YOU LEARN SO. THE DAMAGE THING IS, NO DOUBT, THE DIFFERENCE. I HAVE BOTH GAMES, GT5 IS GREAT AT GRAPHICS, BUT IT HAS TOO MANY RULES AND NO DAMAGED CARS WHAT MAKES IT FEELS UNREAL AND NOT AS FUN AS IT SHOULD BE. GRID’S BAD POINT IS THE GRAPHIC THAT IS NOT 1080P HOWEVER, IT IS THE MOST REALISTIC RACE GAME I’VE SEEN, MAINLY ON-LINE!

I think that the makers of GRID and GT5 should get married to make the ultimate racing game. GT5 has very realistic graphics as well as the features/capabilities of the cars and it is a very good racing simulator, where as GRID gives the pro racing games a much more fun feel with the damage, and the scenery in the tracks are very nice as well.

Personally I would buy both and just when ever I feel like having fun i’ll play GRID and when ever I feel like doing some serious racing i’ll play GT5.

PS. Graphics on both game have very good graphics and gameplay. !!

I am a major fan of the GT series and always will be. If I bought GRID I could definitely see myself getting really hooked on it, but eventually going back to GT.

GRID can’t be compared to GT5P because GT5P is unfinished. As said before, GRID is an arcade style game, focuses more on action and shock, rather than realism and handling.

The reason I believe why GT never incorperated a damage system is it might deter players from the point of the game, which is to race. There have been times where ppl would sit on the course, waiting for a speeding car to come by just to hit it dead on. Im sure the developers at Codemasters didn’t exactly want you JUST to smash cars all the time.

As for the “Driving simulator”, not a “Racing simulator” arguement, I unfortunatlely agree very much on this point. GT’s AI system has always been nose to tail, which can be pretty bland, and I hope that this gets addressed in the final release, where cars would make the attempt to overtake you.

So, rly, I think both games are great, but they are just too different to compare each other.

P.S. Its funny how every time someone compares a racing game, its always compared to GT (suspisious much?)