What are your views on Church of Scientology and Anonymous?
March 20, 2008 By Daniel
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The Church of Scientology has received mixed views from the public for some time now, with it being said that it only accepts six-figure donations to walk through the door and this would then match up to rumors of celebrities like Will Smith and Tom Cruise being into Scientology as they have the money.
What are your views of the Church of Scientology and the group Anonymous?
Some people feel that Scientology is a good thing and some are set to destroy it, while other people say they have information about the Church of Scientology allegedly having deep and dark secrets…Leave a comment below and share what you know.
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I have seen some of these manuals and paperwork from scientology uploaded by Anonymous it is clear that they are not kidding in the sense that the documentation appears to be the actual documentation but also that informants from inside the church are helping them bring it down they have pictures of complete manuals and there contents as well as a heavy amount of evidense against the curch of scientology. Anonymous states it is not against scientology as a belief but as a corperation i belief Anonymous has left Freezone be (a group practicing scientology for free) if they were against the belief they would attack it.
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finally the bombthreat videos if you have seen them on youtube was released as part on a dvd by scientology against anonymous with these bomb threat videos in dvd quality (now it is impossible turning a youtube flv file into DVD quality) so how come they have the dvd quality versions of the bomb threats against scientology? Makes you think
Scientology? The dregs of rich, bored society.
Anonymous? A really good thing that is starting to rise from the collective. I have hope for the human race with movements like anonymous after their turning to this call. Protect the people from the exploiters. No law can, then have the underground do so.
I think that the Church of Scientology has displayed complete disregard for both civil liberties and civil law in the past and continues to this day to act more like a multi-level marketing scheme then a “religious organization” While some people may find Dianetics useful as a tool for personal improvement, the abuses of “bottom of the pyramid” by management are too well documented to ignore.
As far as Anonymous,if they keep it peaceful, and maybe inspire others to start turning over a few rocks, them more power too them…
First there are many misconceptions about Scientology. The public is misinformed. Let me use your article as an example, you said: “it only accepts six-figure donations to walk through the door”. That is false the Church of Scientology offers life improvement courses for as little as $40 and even offers correspondence courses for as little $25. So if you are not informed, how do you expect the public to be informed and be able to pass a sound judgment? The current public status of Scientology is based in misinformation. Still I haven’t seen the media to nothing to clear this up. I guess we are all afraid of that witch is different regardless of what we think.
Facts about Scientology:
* Scientology is a 100% drug free community.
* Most Scientologist live very successful and happy lives.
* Scientology is the only successful non-Judeo-Christian religion created in the 20th century.
* Scientology is a world wide movement with global impact. There are Churches of Scientology even Japan, Israel and S. Africa. And it has missions even in Nepal, India and Kurdistan(Borak’s home country, ja, ja)
* When you count all the Scientologist from all the planets its numbers are in the millions.
I’m sure that in a century Scientology will be seen no more different than any other religion.
I am so thankful for the internet and that a group like Anonymous exists. Before this, no one person or small group could speak out against Scientology without suffering their wrath of both intimidation and litigation. Now, thanks to the lines of communication and pure caring for those whom they have never met, people can ban together to stand up for what is right.
I know that Anonymous gets bad press for what the group started out as, but things have taken a turn for the better ever since they took to social action. Their ranks extend beyond the messageboards and chat channels of their inception as now people latch on for the cause.
Go Anonymous, you have the silent masses behind you (and they may not stay silent for too much longer).
It’s not that some people think they have information about the “deep and dark secrets”, the information is public knowledge and can be found in public court records. Also, no one is out to destroy Scientology, they want to destroy the Religious Tech Center that owns all the copyrights of their sacred texts. I don’t care what you believe, but you shouldn’t force people to pay for it.
See http://www.WhyAreTheyDead.net for information on Scientology’s many victims.
http://www.XenuTV.net for a more biased approach on Scientology.
If the Church of Scientology were to immediately stop abusing the human rights of its followers, ex-members and critics, and perhaps made its prices more reasonable, then I would have no problem with its continued operation. I don’t understand the stubborn resistance to change from within the organization. Most public Scientologists are really decent caring people. When they get put on staff or recruited into the Sea Org, then they really suffer and start to lose themselves to the Mafia-like side of the cult. Read the stories of people who escaped at exscientologykids.com - there are truly heartbreaking things happening, and even children are suffering.
BEFORE ANONYMOUS I had no idea that:
Scientology broke into government offices and stole records. I had no idea they were convicted (operation snow white).
I didn’t know that the so-called-religion had a “fair-game” policy wherein they attempt to silence their critics, and in some cases destroy their lives.
I didn’t know about “auditing”, and about how auditing so closely resembles hypnosis/brainwashing.
THANK YOU, Anonymous.
What church:
Investigates people
Follows people
Tracks their license plates
Blackmails people with their religious confessionals
Infiltrates the US government (Operation Snowhite)
Attempt to frame people for crimes they did not commit in an attempt to silence them or drive them to suicide (operation freakout)
$cientology destroys families (disconnection and SP declares)
Attacks critics (fair game)
and on and on an on in an attempt to hide their past and continuing crimes.
On the other hand Anonymous works to undress the cult of scientology using documented evidence and peaceful protest.
Is there even a comparison?
About Ivan so-called facts:
* Scientology is a 100% drug free community.
There is a policy on that, but it remains to be seen if it is implemented fully. This policy goes beyond illegal drugs, so that people who might need medical drugs are prevented to do so, with sometimes terrible consequences.
* Most Scientologist live very successful and happy lives.
Scientology staff are paid a pitance, have often a second job to pay the rent and the food. Little insurance, no retirement plans.
* Scientology is the only successful non-Judeo-Christian religion created in the 20th century.
In my opinion, scientology is very similar to the raëlians.
* Scientology is a world wide movement with global impact…
It is a little like the tobbaco companies: looking to new markets to compensate the losses here.
* When you count all the Scientologist from all the planets (sic) its numbers are in the millions.
They count everybody, even those who took one course one day. More serious estimates are 50′000 - 100′000 worldwide.
The so-called “church” of Scientology is a criminal organization.
Have you ever heard of a religion having a secret service similar to the KGB? Scientology does.
In Operation Snow White, thousands of operatives infiltrated the government. 11 were tried and convicted, including Mary Sue Hubbard, the third wife of L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology.
In Operation Freakout, Scientologists infiltrated the personal life of Paulette Cooper, writer of the first book negative towards Scientology, enabling them to (among countless misdeeds) frame her for bomb threats against Scientology.
Scientology believes the soul is eternal and migrates from body to body. Therefore, you already know everything, you just need help remembering it again, which you get through the study og Scientology. Due to this, Scientologists believe kids don’t need a proper education - they have already learned everything, probably several times. Just look at Suri Cruise. She gets to stay up until 11pm and do whatever she wants. How is this raising a child?
The above is just three examples of what the Corporation of Scientology stands for.
Anonymous has fought for two months now, but we’re far from done. We Need YOU to join our cause and speak out about the grave injustices being commited daily by the Corporation of Scientology.
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Thirty year old allegations coming to surface again is not exactly cutting edge activism. Anonymous is overwhelmingly young kids who have been roped into helping with a bigoted attack on a religious group. They are coached to say they are not attacking the Church yet the original videos specifically aim to destroy the Church.
The Church of Scientology is a group of people, just like any other Church. It is the membership and the people involved. I personally knew several of the people who are on the Why are they dead list and they were friends who died of cancer after long battles, medical treatments, and hospitalizations. Being a Scientologist, unfortunately, does not exempt one from getting ill and dying. I also know many Scientologists who have successfully beaten cancer and other medical problems. Scientologists are urged to go to the doctor and work with a medical specialist to cure their disease, if they have one. To see names of friends who have battled cancer valiently and lost is extremely hurtful and unfair.
Anonymous seems to not want to be bothered with the facts but very willing to jump on any old allegation as “the way it is”. Scientologists who defend their faith and find happiness in the Church are scorned and only those few ex-members who have a tale to tell are listened to.
People who actually want to know and care should tour a local Church and see for themselves, meet Scientologists and ask their experience, rather than reading internet stories which are often untrue or extremely biased. One story I read was a girl who was from a wealthy family, had many priviledges, private school, college paid for by her parents, whatever she wanted from her parents but she had a fit when her mother talked to a friend about Scientology! What a horror story (money, private school, friends, parents asking her what she wanted to do, college fully paid for). I wish I had such a terrible childhood.
I’d like to commend you for your choice of the Memphis, TN Church of $cientology, which is now for sale and has only a handful of adherents. That Cof$ sign in the front yard is gone as well, although I’m told they still meet there, at least until the building sells. They have never gained any real toehold in Memphis, fortunately. This evil cult of greed has been shrinking since the mid-80’s, and pretty soon will be gone as we now know it.
And to Ivan Jimenez: The dollar figure is commonly quoted as the price tag to get all the way to OT3, where you find out the real reason you have all your upsets in life. ~$380,000 to find out you’re infested with the spirits of dead aliens, and the only way to get rid of them is with the e-meter, running Incident II (Xenu story) and Incident I (universe is born story). Dang those pesky body thetans. You thought your engrams were bad, wait until you find out you’ve got a BT attached to your scod-sack!
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Scientology is L. Ron Hubbard’s creation. He has written so many books, and it is such a huge amount of material to deflect off the simplicity of the subject, that it ensnares with it’s huge long runway of hope for higher spiritual abilities and an improved life.
In my 27 years in the movement, I didn’t even learn of the full theology of Scientology, which is only secretly dispensed with strict muzzling to members who rise up to the levels called OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7.
There are truly some huge problems the movement is faced with due to L. Ron Hubbard’s irreconcilable rules the members are forced to observe.
The two biggest problems are the rules requiring members to label and declare other members and members of the public as “suppressive persons”. This causes the family splitting problem. The simple solution to this most major problem the movement faces, is to declare an “international amnesty” (which they can do, and have done in the past) and un-label all “suppressive persons” which would instantly make family reconnection allowable!
Their second most major problem is the “body thetans” theology. “Body thetans” are the surplus souls/spirits which don’t have bodies, which roam earth today and affix themselves into our bodies, so that in fact, per Scientology/Hubbard theology, the average person has tens of thousands of these body thetans infesting all of us, most of the time. Through Hubbard’s spiritual procedures called OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, Scientologists detach and free these “body thetans” from their bodies, resulting in spiritual improvement for the Scientologists.
That’s ALL there is to Scientology besides the tons and tons of self help advice.
There are huge penalties for Scientologists to freely tell the public about the spiritual procedures OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 and to discuss how the “body thetans” overpopulation of earth came to be. How the overpopulation of surplus “body thetans” came about is simply that 75 millions years ago a space leader named Xenu committed a massive genocide on earth, and the dead souls of the humanoids he ordered murdered are trapped here on earth, doomed to roam and infest us.
Scientology’s long range goal is freeing each of us up as a spirit ourselves, so that we can freely “exteriorize” (out of the body travel) and longer range “operate” free without a body at all.
All the inbetween doctrines are filler.
The inbetween introductory catechism of Scientology, like their “New Slant On Life” is all beginner stuff.
Once hooked on the intro self help catechism of Scientology, the new Scientologists is guided up the “Bridge to Total Freedom” and the top end of the “Bridge” is OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 where the Scientologists get rid of their loads of “body thetans”.
Chuck Beatty
ex Scientology staffer (1975-2003)
412-260-1170 Pittsburgh, USA (anyone call me anytime!)
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Scientology: Half a dozen high school educated actors can’t be wrong.
Scientology: Saving the world one millionaire at a time.
Scientology: And a midget shall lead them.
Scientology: Now with less scurvy.
Scientology: We don’t harrass disaster victims, we care. Really!
Scientology: Don’t take our word for it - Ask Juliette Lewis.
Scientology: Employing the scummiest private investigators, in the entire galactic confederation, so you don’t have to.
Scientology: Have your own indentured servants to wait on you hand and foot or, if you prefer, you can be one.
Scientology: When a one billion year contract is not enough.
Scientology: Thirteenth amendment? What thirteenth amendment?
Scientology: If you join now, Jenna Elfman won’t accuse you of raping babies.
Scientology: Our deceased, disgraced, racist, insane, spittle-emitting, criminal dictator founder can beat up your church figurehead.
Scientology: More B-actors than a Love Boat reunion.
Scientology: We’re here for the untreated mentally ill.
Scientology: We put the mental in fundamental.
Scientology: Join or the sherriff will arrest you.
Scientology: Let he who hasn’t kidnapped a woman from a hospital and starved her to death in a church owned, squalid, cockroach-infested hotel room cast the first stone.
Scientology: Ponzi rhymes with Fonzie. And Fonzie was what? Cool, Fonzie was cool.
Scientology: It’s kind of like winning the lottery, only in reverse.
Scientology: We don’t know nothing about no Xenu
Scientology: Trolls defend us, what more do you need to know?
Scientology: We didn’t want Germany anyway.
Scientology: It’s only an insidious, brain-washing, UFO cult if you look at it from the outside.
Scientology: Overactive sense of humor? We’ll take care of that for you.
The mere question posed here is indicative of what Scientology is. It’s a product, and a deeply flawed, expensive and dangerous one. I vote thumbs down on it, and Consumer Reports would definitely not give it a “Best value” rating.
If we have to tell people not to use a hairdryer while sleeping or in the bathtub, Scientology definitely deserves a six-page warning in the product documentation.
If we have to recall Aquadots because children unknowingly ingest and are poisoned by hallucinogenic chemicals in the liquid, then Scientology deserves a recall.
Why doesn’t the Consumer Products & Safety Commission compel the Church of Scientology to have warning labels?
Examples:
This product is a cult.
Do not use if you value your sanity.
Makers of this product practice false advertising and deceptive trade practices.
This product will split up your family.
This product will severely damage you, your children, and your ability to function as citizens of the broader community.
Use of this product may cause you to be arrested and convicted of stalking, RICO violations, tax evasion, espionage, theft, or kidnapping.
This product will send you into bankruptcy.
This product is dangerous for your physical health, because you will receive no medical care, no psychiatric care, and will be receiving hypnotic suggestions and regular mild electroshocks while using the E-meter.
Training aboard the Freewinds will expose you to asbestos, a known and very carcinogenic substance.
Use of this product requires signing a long “Lisa McPherson” clause that denies you all legal protections, as well as peer-reviewed and scientifically supported medical care.
The E-meter deserves its own warning section in its product documentation. Where is the Underwriters Laboratory when you need them?
If the average citizen were more aware of what Scientology really involves, it would cease to exist for lack of willing consumers.
Scientology is nothing more than a corrupt money making organisation, that sells false hopes and dreams to its many victims. Scientology is responsible for causing many unnecessary deaths. Scientology disconnects family members. Scientology intimidates, blackmails, kidnaps, imprisons and extorts.
Anonymous are not demonstrating against the beliefs of the organisation. People are demonstrating against the corrupt management and structure of the organisation.
The internet provides the proof. All you have to do is look for it.
A current Scientologist in this thread states: “Thirty year old allegations coming to surface again is not exactly cutting edge activism. Anonymous is overwhelmingly young kids who have been roped into helping with a bigoted attack on a religious group. They are coached to say they are not attacking the Church yet the original videos specifically aim to destroy the Church.”
Actually they are not thirty year old allegations, they are facts that are shown to be incidents of things still occurring with the “church”, such as disconnection from families and the harassing of public critics with private investigators and slander. But that the “church” believes Anonymous is just kids who have been coached is something I personally hope they keep believing. In fact the comments about not being against the beliefs but being against the policies of the “church” that keeps children from seeing their parents and has operating prisons inside their compounds TODAY come from an active conscience and an effort to do the right thing.
“The Church of Scientology is a group of people, just like any other Church. It is the membership and the people involved. I personally knew several of the people who are on the Why are they dead list and they were friends who died of cancer after long battles, medical treatments, and hospitalizations. Being a Scientologist, unfortunately, does not exempt one from getting ill and dying.”
In the first place this is not what the “church” actually implies. Their mailed literature (which I still receive) promises freedom from disease and a link to one’s personal rebirth of a native spiritual ability to change the functions of matter itself. There is active innuendo given by people trying to sell you the courses and the auditing that you will be able to separate your spirit from the body and operate fully conscious of your surroundings, completely “at-cause” over matter, energy, space and time. It is instructive to note that L. Ron Hubbard does 20 years ago with psyche drugs in his system per a coroner’s report anyone can access.
“I also know many Scientologists who have successfully beaten cancer and other medical problems. Scientologists are urged to go to the doctor and work with a medical specialist to cure their disease, if they have one. To see names of friends who have battled cancer valiently and lost is extremely hurtful and unfair.”
Many people beat cancer if their condition is caught in time. If the use of Scientology is the specific reason they have been cured then why has the “church” never allowed independent testing and peer review of the methodology? What is of more concern is the amount of people who have died who were not allowed to get competent medical or psychiatric treatment whose stories ended in tragedy.
“Anonymous seems to not want to be bothered with the facts but very willing to jump on any old allegation as “the way it is”.”
This is not an argument, it is an opinion. I hold the same opinion of you, so we can disregard this ploy.
“Scientologists who defend their faith and find happiness in the Church are scorned and only those few ex-members who have a tale to tell are listened to.”
In the first places there are literally thousands of ex-members out in the world. Some have been threatened by the “church” not to speak out against them, and others who have spoken out must experience harassing phone calls, threats of legal action, or even an actual stream of real lawsuits meant to silence and destroy, not to correct an injustice. What is most telling are the amount of ex-members who, having spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to attain the “church’s” highest levels have left and rejected what they’ve learned and are actually currently in the forefront of the criticism.
“People who actually want to know and care should tour a local Church and see for themselves, meet Scientologists and ask their experience, rather than reading internet stories which are often untrue or extremely biased.”
The problem is what will happen to you if you do that. You will be on that mailing list and that call sheet for life, even decades after having asked them to remove your information. That is probably, even, the sole purpose this comment is added here. “Bodies In” is an actual stat they keep.
“One story I read was a girl who was from a wealthy family, had many priviledges, private school, college paid for by her parents, whatever she wanted from her parents but she had a fit when her mother talked to a friend about Scientology! What a horror story (money, private school, friends, parents asking her what she wanted to do, college fully paid for). I wish I had such a terrible childhood.”
It is quite possible, considering all the answers provided above, that the girl’s reaction to her mother’s interest was one of concern for her mother’s life, health and sanity.
first of all, bgodly? i would like to adopt you.
i have firsthand knowledge of the human trafficking that the $cieno’s are doing at flag in clearwater. they are enslaving thirdworld country teenagers to do their manual labor. the teens are living under horrific conditions. the abuse is so bad that high-ranking $cieno’s from inside flag have contacted someone from the outside to try to get someone to help these teens.
amnesty international southern division is looking into these allegations and is trying to help us.
how do you like your cult now, A $cientologist?
$cientology is imploding from within…we have insider info on this, too. it’s only a matter of time. anonymous is already working on helping these people when this all falls.
governmental agencies, churches, and organizations have all been contacted to tell them that when this falls apart…there will be many people who are going to need a lot of help from all of us.
expect us to protest
AND
expect us to help those who are going to be left when this cult falls apart.
THIS IS WHY
WE ARE LEGION
Scientology is a thousand times worse than Enron. The only reason the media has yet to expose them and report the abuses is the cult’s litigious nature. They use threats to keep the truth from making it to mainstream news. One day, Scientology will provide decades of case study and many journalistic awards. This is the BIGGEST con EVER! The crimes that Anonymous “alleges” are not allegations, they are fact, people have gone to prison, the documents are from court records. There is nothing fake about our claims. If only the media and government would grow a set of balls and stand up against these goons we would have months of news material more shocking than the war! It’s dumbfounding that the cult is even still in exsistance anymore, but they are great at lying and covering their butts. Anonymous is just providing the FACTS, this isnt new, just unreported, thanks to the media, the abuses continue. Now members of Anonymous have been stalked, threatened and even had our pets murdered by OSA (Scientology’s terrorist wing)and the P.I.’s they hire. Stupid things are in the news that don’t even qualify as news yet this goes unreported!
How on earth can anyone compare Scientology to any actual religion? They obviously do not know the harm it has caused people and is still causing in the name of money. The all mighty dollar is what the religion is about.
You really need to do some research and question every aspect of Scientology, especially;
* Scientology’s harassment and litigious policies against its critics. Can you imagine a church hiring private investigators to research your background looking for anything they can use to discredit you? The answer is no, but the Church of Scientology does. And why? Protection of copyrights? What church has copyrights? It’s because they won’t make any money if people are able to offer services for free.
* Scientology’s attempts to force search engines and websites to omit critical information about them. Now they’ve even gone after eBay saying that I, as a person and the rightful owner of an e-meter can’t sell it on eBay. Why? Who are they to tell me I can’t sell something that I bought with my own money?
* Scientology’s belief that they are the only ones that can help the world ( they want to make the world “clear” - i.e world domination ), thus being intolerant of other religions – something they fight for when it’s their religion being attacked. (cults believe that they are the only ones that know the “truth”). The US against THEM mentality.
* Scientology’s disconnection policy, which requires members to cut all ties to friends and family considered “antagonistic” towards the religion (a basic practice of all cults). No other religion does this. This alone is enough to cause red flags. It has broken so many families and separated love ones from each other. Why? Because they don’t want to lose anyone, that’s why. Do you really think that a Jewish person would be told, by any Christian church, to “disconnect” from his/her family if she wants to be a good Christian? No. But Scientology does. It forces you to, or guess what, you can never get over the “Bridge of Total Freedom”. They even make you play with clay and put images of your family in front of a clay bridge for you to understand the impact. The image? Your family is in the way.
* Scientology’s affirmation that anything written by L Ron Hubbard is the true and definitive word. It can not be altered or disputed (a single messianic figure, another basic practice of all cults). Is he really that much starter than everyone else in the world? Come on… really? LRH was a paranoid psychopath along the same lines as Howard Hughes. Smart? Definitely… and a prolific writer, but the man had one goal. Make Money. Make More Money. Have Others Make Money for You. It is this unvarnished demand for money that has led many observers to opine that the entire operation looks more like a business than a religion “Among the things that have made this movement so controversial,” says S. Scott Bartchy, director of the Center for the Study of Religion at UCLA, “are its claims that its forms of therapy are ’scientific’ and that the ‘truth’ will only be revealed to those who have the money to purchase advancement to the various levels”.
* Scientology’s organizational structure ( OSA - Intelligence Department, RPF - Justice Department; free labor for the church), ethics policies and security checks. No other religion does this. Imagine a pastor asking you questions about where you where or about the conversations you had with friends or family to see if you’ve said or done anything against the Church, then writing them down and keeping it in a file. This is Scientology’s Sec Checks. If you fail, you go to the RPF to get right.
* Scientology’s auditing, which the Church says is like a confessional, but it’s more like talk therapy, only the Church keeps track of what you say. They keep everything on file. They keep a file on everyone. They even write up reports ( KR- Knowledge Reports ) on you and put these into the file. Does the Catholic Church keep a file of all your confessions? No. Scientology does. They use this information against you if you ever say anything negative about the Church. And if you ask for your file back, they won’t give it to you.
* Scientology’s military uniforms and ranks. Naval uniforms to be specific, because Hubbard always wanted to be a big Naval officer and failed. So this was his way of accomplishing his dream. Question why military? No other religion does this. Always be aware of any military groups, especially those that want to conquer the world. I’m sorry.. “Help” the world, because they are the only ones that can.
* Scientology’s attack on psychiatry solely because psychiatry attacked L Ron Hubbard for practicing medicine without a license and having no scientific proof that his form of psychotherapy worked. ( To this day, the only proof they have is Scientologists saying that it does…There’s no science behind Scientology ) L Ron Hubbard turned Dianetics into Scientology in order to continue to make money and avoid criminal charges. Ask yourself, why psycs? Hmmm.. Do you think that maybe it’s because they are in direct competition for psychotherapy dollars? Yet, Scientology can’t cure any metal illness. Naronon and Criminon are staging platforms for new recruits. If you pass these orgs then maybe you’ll be able to handle Scientology, otherwise they don’t want you. Did you know that Hubbard himself requested psychiatric assistance from the V.A.?
* Scientology’s contribution scheme which requires you to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to reach the highest level of their “Bridge to Total Freedom”. Making money is the sole functions of each “org” – organization - aka “mission” ( KSW – Keep Scientology Working is their motto). Ask yourself.. why charge if the purpose is help people and clear the world? Wouldn’t the world be clear quicker if was free? Wouldn’t people gladly give ( donate ) money for “saving” them? We’re not talking $300. We’re talking $300,000.00. This “contribution” is mandatory. It isn’t optional. It’s not like passing the plate around. If you don’t pay, you can’t be helped, that is unless you join the Church staff. In that case, the Church still counts it and charges you for “services” if you ever leave the church. Imagine having to pay to learn about Abraham, Isaac, or Moses if you were Jewish, or about the crucifixion and the resurrection within a Christian church. Jews and Christians don’t charge for their “secrets”. Even other religions like the Mormons will send you a copy of their “Book of Mormon” for free and Jehovah Witnesses will come to your house and talk to you freely about their religion.
* Scientology’s misleading images of using the crucifix ( a symbol of Christianity ), the words “Mission” and “Minister” to promote their psychotherapy as a religion (Scientologists do not believe in Christ. L Ron Hubbard said that all religions are noting more than an implant on our souls forced upon us by an evil war lord named xenu. Religion was created in 600 BC by people “using a piece of R6” implant. Scientology is not tolerant of any other religion. It can’t be because it goes against everything L Ron Hubbard teaches and he isn’t wrong… is he? Ask yourself… why the cross? I know about the 8 dynamics, but why not just 8 lines intersecting each other or an 8 side figure? Why use something that looks like a crucifix? It is maybe to mislead people into thinking that Scientologists are in some way Christians?
* Scientology’s deceptive marketing strategies used to lure you into the church to take courses intended to help you achieve your “full potential”. These include the “Free Personality Test”, that always points out problems they can help you with but only if you paid them, and through frontline organizations such as WISE, ABLE, The Way to Happiness and Applied Scholastics which introduces potential members (including school age children) to the teachings of L Ron Hubbard and his made up terminology (which requires a Scientology dictionary to understand). Ask yourself… why “courses”, books and videos and lectures that you have to pay for? Why not just teach the religion for free in churches? Why deceive people like this? Why? Because it’s the only way you’ll get their money!! Get them in and then intimidate them not to leave. If they do leave, call, send mailings and harass them to come back.
* Scientology’s conflicting statements about L. Ron Hubbard’s life, in particular false accounts of Hubbard’s education (he flunked out of George Washington University and never attended Princeton), credentials (he was never a Civil Engineer nor a Nuclear Scientist or had a PhD), military career (he was never a WWII Hero. In fact, he was decommissioned twice, once for accidentally ordering his ship to fire upon Mexico – It wasn’t until he created the Sea Org that he gave himself the title of “Commodore” and made everyone wear naval uniforms that he finally achieved his dream of being a great naval officer) and lastly his great expeditions (2 failed attempts one trying to make a movie and the other searching buried gold). He also abandoned his first wife and children while he went on these “adventures”, cheated on his wife, committed bigamy, tried to kidnap his daughter from his second wife and was himself on medication at the time of his death. If the man lied about himself… and is a “great” Science Fiction writer… ask yourself, can you really trust him to tell you the truth? Why did all his explorations and accomplishments stop after founding the Church? Because he didn’t need the money.
Scientology is based on lies and the ego of one man. It is a global scam. Unfortunately people still get sucked in and trapped into it.
Don’t accept a lie in order to obtain freedom (further OT levels). This doesn’t fly. Freedom is truth.
Seriously, though, I wonder how much RTC pays you $cilons to poast on the internets.
Scientology is helpful. If you ask the people who do it they will tell you they find it helpful. This means better income, better communication, enjoying life a little more, a little less stress because you understand the source of stress better, things like that. Learning about the religion online, that’s free. Walking in the door, that’s free. Its first courses cost a little something, but not a lot. Big Pharma is afraid of this kind of help. Heh.
Thanks, Chuck for everything you’re doing. God Bless you.
IF it was a religion, I would call it by its name. Unfortunately it isn’t, so I persist in calling it CULT. And there are many reasons to call it a CULT.
1. It’s all about money. No money? SUCKER!
2. It’s about mind control. From the first Training Routines a person’s mind is being manipulated to become a highly gullible person that believes everything the CULT tells you. E.G. that criticism is orgnaized and financed by psychiatry.
3. It destroys families by Disconnection. Ask Jenna Miscavige-Hill, David Miscavige’s niece: She knows all about it.
4. It has an elite corps called Sea Org, that also does act as an secret service: What religion needs a secret service?! These people are even subjected to slave labor and prison camps when not walking the line! What religion has slave labor camps?!
5. Within the Sea Org children barely see their parents. Jenna Miscavige told she could see her parents once a year. Others tell the same story.
6. They have a libel and slander website. What other religion has a hate side about their critics?
7. Critics are always called “anti-religious extremists”, because they expose the atrocities committed by the CULT.
And on, and on.
In the end, the CULT aims for world domination. A world where the CULT as absolute power. The first thing that comes in mind: A world dominated and ruled by the CULT is an exact copy of today’s North Korea: Totalitarian, dictatorial, inhumane, no personal freedom, no freedom of speech.
Find out yourself:
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Scientology is nothing but a cult, and a mind
control vehicle to make money off the public..
it is not a religion and should be outlawed &
banned..Run by money & power hungry shysters..
Avoid it at all cost..
I think that it is fantastic that people are able to see things that are wrong in our world and say that they are not going to sit back and they are going to do something about it.
Scientology was created as a Master Race group by L. Ron Hubbard, who called Scientologists “Homo Novis.” From the Latin, the “New Men” created by Scientology processing claim to be experts on the mind, education, and justice. Yet, when we see Tom Cruise in action in the leaked Scientology videos, we see ignorance and brutality of any Master Race cultist. Compounding his Master Race doctrine, L. Ron Hubbard called for a Scientology genocide against the 2.5% of the global population that he deemed to be the defective incurables, the “SP’s” who suppressed Scientology’s expansion. David Miscavige, Hubbard’s successor and the absolute Dictator-for-Life of Scientology, has never renounced Hubbard’s Master Race doctrines, nor has he renounced Scientology’s Fair Game doctrines against its critics, RPF, and Disconnection. Scientology remains an isolationist Master Race group whose cultural illiteracy and violent suppression of Free Speech arise from its insane goals to destroy all human forms of government, education, and medicine and to replace them in favor of an absolute Scientology dictatorship. The insanity of Scientology explains why this Cult is collapsing internally and is presently the subject of immense global protests designed to draw attention to the true danger of this Cult.
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Scientology wants to destroy your “reactive mind.”
guess what? your “reactive mind” contains your “bullshit detector.”
the last thing $cientology wants are critical thinkers.
Hey now, this scientology stuff sounds kinda scary. I think I’ll stay away from it. Besides, I’m handicapped; from what I read online, Scientology thinks that is my fault somehow, something about alien souls stuck to me.
Personally I prefer my medical physician to treat my scoliosis, not some crazy person.
“Scientology is helpful. If you ask the people who do it they will tell you they find it helpful. This means better income, better communication, enjoying life a little more, a little less stress because you understand the source of stress better, things like that. Learning about the religion online, that’s free. Walking in the door, that’s free. Its first courses cost a little something, but not a lot. Big Pharma is afraid of this kind of help. Heh.”
Thus spake the Scientologist. “Big Pharma” as you call it is not afraid of Scientology. “Big Pharma” has methods that WORK and have been PEER REVIEWED.
Would you rather get a $20 FDA-approved steak, or a $200 one sold by a hobo on the street?
Scientology is not just some whacky cult that can be ignored it is the most insideous and dangerous cult today. You only need to look as some of the videos that anonymous has put on YouTube that are extracts of $cientology’s own videos to see this. They are intent on “clearing” the planet, which I gather means making everyone a scientologist or a scientologist sympathiser.
Although such a grandious scheme may seem unlikely to succeed the fact that it is being pursued with all the aggression of a Bond like criminal organisation and the fact that the Cult of Scientology has incredible resources make it worthy of protest; it is one cult that cannot merely be ignored. Go anonymous, go and anything I can do to help I will.
It is not true! You don’t need a six figure donation to join scientology. You just need money to make real progress. Either that, or work for the church, or sign a BILLION YEAR CONTRACT (this is not a joke).
Walking through the doors is cheap. Earning salvation for your thetan is expensive.
Give me some more information here.
Only a few people are defending.
Ask me, it seems nobody is really ‘for’ this
nonsense.
Over 9000 people were at the worldwide protests,
No violence occurred (just a couple noise violations).
Scientology is evil to the core. If you look into it further, it will always, inevitably prove to be worse than you thought.
Jenna Miscavige Hill, Astra Woodcraft, and Kendra Wiseman–women who grew up in $cientology and left and are the children of high-ranking $cientologists can’t be wrong.
as an anon, i see it as my goal to bring about the purification of the internet and humanity through the simplest means, these being “tough love” ie trolling. scientology is under the impression that it is untouchable, that it is some justice league type conglomeration of people protecting humanity. when in reality all they do is exploit, ruin, and destroy. they call us terrorists, but we havent infiltraited the government or committed treason. we just watch plane crash and laff. we rickroll, goatse, ddos, botnet, and pump. they murder, lie, cheat, burn, destroy and charge a hefty ammount of money for it. i am opposed to those who exhibit a two faced mentality, as an anon i have come to grips with the horror that is the human condition, and have no problem with someone believing that he is some analy raped alien ghost, i have a problem with someone making money off of it, and doing so without taxation by the government. ask yourself a simple question, if scientology wasnt a cult, it wouldnt require money or secrecy. look at the freemasons, you dont see them filing dmcas on all the vids supposedly exposing them, and you see most of the money going into them flowing back into the community. scientology on the otherhand sees buying out and converting the community and then sucking all the money and life out of it as helping. instead of giving drug addicts methadone or similar substances, they give them vitamins. instead of giving a schitzephrenic his medication, they give him orange juice and vitamins. again the dogma is not what is hated, it is the practice. and we will continue to cut away at the practice until the dogma is all that remains. we represent what they hate, we represent freedom, we represent actual democracy, in that we are a hive with no queen, we act as an ameoba, whe do not all agree on everything, but when most of us agree on something similar, the results are nothing short of spectacular. we are legion, we can not be stopped, never forgive, never forget. expect us.
It strikes me as funny that when any Scientologist defends their religion… on a page asking for their views of Scientology and Anonymous… they get accused of being paid by RTC. What is really funny is that it is well know that many Anonymous protesters are being paid to picket… oh well.
Is Anonymous aware that this “operation snow white” they speak of was done before RTC existed?
It is 2008.
The Church complies with all laws, or there would be constant arrests and trials… but there are none.
I understand that the foot soldiers of Anonymous feel they are doing the right thing, but they are being manipulated by a hidden few. Their facts are being warped to suit an agenda.
Metaphor: Let’s say there was a restaurant… and a bunch of people say they hate it despite never eating there, and a few people who did eat there now hate it (and a couple of them stole some silverware). However, many many more people who have eaten there love it. They say it’s great and recommend it.
Are you only going to take the recommendation of the people who never ate there, and only a few who have? Or are you going to listen to everyone and make your decision based on that?
You can look at the issue from both sides and decide. But you must look at the issue from both sides! Not just the one side. The people who are influencing Anons are making wild criminal claims against the church. But, if there was a shred of truth in those claims, the FBI, police, etc would be conducting investigations… and they’re not. The only actual criminal activity (by a very small number of Scientologists) happened 30 years ago, before the current Church leadership was in place. And this leadership was put in place so such activity never occurs again.
There is a doctrine in the church, (and I am paraphrasing) “what’s true is what’s true for you”.
I ask that each individual decide for himself and not follow the herd mentality.
That’s my two cents.
I am a supporter of Anonymous, and have Participated in both the Feb 10 and the March 15 Protests.
The Church of Scientology has a record of crimes from Harassment, (Alleged) Murder, and even Treason (Google: Operation Snow White)
Now, a group that has committed these crimes, as well as Censorship of the Media… One does not deserve to continue on in my own opinion… but I do not see any reason they should have the right to not have to pay taxes on the hundreds of thousands of dollars that they embezzle from their followers.
We came on 2/10… we came on 3/15…
We Will Come Again in April…
We Will Come Again in May…
We Will Come Again in June and July…
We will Come Until that Wall of Silence is Rubble.
We Are Anonymous
We Are Legion
And We Are Here
Scientology did not work for Martine Boublil
There is breaking news in France that she was held against her will in a filthy room as part of something called “Isolation Watch”
http://www.rue89.com/2008/03/18/scientologie-les-dessous-de-laffaire-martine-boublil
It is good she was rescued or she could have become another instance like Lisa McPherson
“What is really funny is that it is well know that many Anonymous protesters are being paid to picket… oh well.”
i know of nobody who is paid. i spent about 20 dollars on bus fair (don’t want you getting my license plate number) 200 fliers to hand out, food, water.
all of my fliers were gone within hours and i shall spend about 40 dollars next time.
you campaign of misinformation is no longer allowed.
expect us.
we are legion.
It is a pay-as-you-go cult. It doesn’t deserve the tax exemption status that is currently enjoying. It was founded by a sci-fi writer that spoke about how the big bucks were in creating your own religion. You don’t have to mentally leap THAT far to figure out what it is about. I suppose it is hard to make any sound judgments when you are brainwashed, though. The SP and the PTS thing is simply childish. It reminds me of Jr. High drama. But when things like that are enforced, and you are told to write “disconnect letters” to your family, and private investigators are called, etc, I can see how people can be fearful of retribution. Anonymous is doing a good thing.
ScninLA says:
“It strikes me as funny that when any Scientologist defends their religion… on a page asking for their views of Scientology and Anonymous… they get accused of being paid by RTC. What is really funny is that it is well know that many Anonymous protesters are being paid to picket… oh well.”
Who is paying which picketers and where do I line up for my check? I don’t know about the Religious Technology Center, but I do know we need more proof than you say so. Produce evidence to back up your claims or admit to the neutral reader that you’re just bullbaiting again.
“Is Anonymous aware that this “operation snow white” they speak of was done before RTC existed?
It is 2008.”
I’m not really sure what Anonymous is aware of, but Operation Snow White was written by L Ron Hubbard - who is given a great holiday - and landed his wife in jail while he hid out from the feds. What kind of a religious leader writes up operations for the infiltration of the US government to expunge negative records held on him and then fingers his wife when the heat gets too hot? Google Operation Snow White, and see what this great guru hath wrought. A guy like this deserves a holiday??
“The Church complies with all laws, or there would be constant arrests and trials… but there are none.”
Not necessarily how it works and is a poor try. The lack of arrests or trials does not indicate the lack of crimes, it indicates the lack of prosecution. We’ll wait for the next shoe.
“I understand that the foot soldiers of Anonymous feel they are doing the right thing, but they are being manipulated by a hidden few. Their facts are being warped to suit an agenda.”
Who? Proof. What agenda? Proof. Produce the documents or recordings and - I know - put it on You Tube! Start.
“You can look at the issue from both sides and decide. But you must look at the issue from both sides! Not just the one side. The people who are influencing Anons are making wild criminal claims against the church. But, if there was a shred of truth in those claims, the FBI, police, etc would be conducting investigations… and they’re not.”
First - The metaphor wass too compound. It creates a strawman and has no final truth inside. The conclusion of it isn’t even the point you needed to make there. Second - You need to take a look at the material being smuggled out of the organization even so far as today. Can you see what’s missing? Is the guy next to you leaking it? How many security checks have you had or run in the last month? But Third - investigations aren’t announced with trumpets.
“The only actual criminal activity (by a very small number of Scientologists) happened 30 years ago, before the current Church leadership was in place. And this leadership was put in place so such activity never occurs again.”
Except for the Rehabilitation Project Force living in dungeons and cells and not allowed to see their kids or spouses, who are sometimes eventually ordered to disown them. Where’s Heber? The old crimes may or may not be being committed. But there are some new ones we’ve become very interested in. The current leadership wasn’t put into place to prevent these kinds of crimes. It put itself in power after Hubbard died to take control of the organization. How many more escaping ex-staff need to say that before you yourself wake up about it?
“There is a doctrine in the church, (and I am paraphrasing) “what’s true is what’s true for you”.”
Except any recognized version of epistemology questions that with devastating effect, but I do understand that that way of thinking allows for a moral relativity that makes your arguments against your opponents pointless. Because if what’s true is what’s true for them, you can’t dispute with them.
You need to reconsider your position. Scientology is about to be exposed and dismantled in France even as we speak. That’s just the start. You don’t know what is happening behind the scenes. There is a hidden data line that you are not a terminal on. Don’t be there when the next batch of felonies are prosecuted. There’s still time for you.
Grab the stuff you need to go state’s evidence and get into the WP program. Meisner did.
““What is really funny is that it is well know that many Anonymous protesters are being paid to picket… oh well.”
i know of nobody who is paid. i spent about 20 dollars on bus fair (don’t want you getting my license plate number) 200 fliers to hand out, food, water.
all of my fliers were gone within hours and i shall spend about 40 dollars next time.
you campaign of misinformation is no longer allowed.”
a) Looks like you got a raw deal…
b) YOUR campaign of misinformation is no longer allowed. Because I just said so…
so much for intelligent conversation.
ScninLA, if you believe we are doing this for money you are daft.
Btw, if you need a leader, I can tell you who it is. David Miscavige. Through his abuse of his own staff, his lies and tyrantical behavior he has proven that he is the ultimate SP behind the plight of many Scientologists.
He has altered the tech, he is slowly writing out L. Ron Hubbard. He is what is ‘pulling in’ criticism of Scientology.
the “plight of many Scientologists”?
what about the success and happiness of millions of Scientologists?
and maybe the those suffering from this “plight” should take a look in the mirror instead of blaming others for the problems.
If Scientology has really helped so many people Where are these millions?
See the following website http://www.exscientologykids.com
and http://www.scientologydisconnection.com/ this kind of stuff has happened to far too many people for far too long.
Anonymous has said Enough is Enough Scientology-you can’t hide behind behind a veil anymore.
If you want to find out what Scientology is really all about, there are now 82 videos you can watch, launched just the other day, at http://www.scientology.org They cover the fundamental beliefs, what’s it’s like to be a Scientologist, the human rights work the church does, the drug rehabs, disaster relief and a whole lot more. The most important video, I think, is the one Called “Love & Hate - What is Greatness”. I think it should be required viewing for most of the people that have commented on this story
- Here it is: http://www.scientology.org/index.html?video=what_is_greatness
it’s hard to have an intelligent conversation when you are talking to someone who is brainwashed. many protestors being paid? you have absolutely no facts behind that yet you state it as fact.
we’ve read your emails. we are on the inside and the outside. we are everywhere. we are legion.
“what about the success and happiness of millions of Scientologists?”
another lie. according to official u.s. census data there are only roughly 55,000 scientologists in the u.s.
yet “the church” likes to claim millions because anyone who has ever taken a personality test is automatically a follower. inflating numbers to keep the money flowing. the brainwashing goes on.
To ScninLA:
You said: “There is a doctrine in the church, (and I am paraphrasing) “what’s true is what’s true for you”.”
That’s a universal scientology justification for believing anything you are required to believe by LRH or David Miscavige. Along with the definition of reality you subscribe to; i.e. ‘reality is that which is agreed upon’, these two dicta form just about the most dangerous philosophical standpoint available to people. The mindset which results insulates you from objective truth and objective reality, both of which exist independently of your subjectivity. Truth is real, facts matter, and you can’t just not-is them. You can have your own opinions, you can even have your own beliefs, but you cannot have your own facts, or your own reality. Some day - maybe today - reality will slam into you like a juggernaut. And it’s happening courtesy of Anonymous.
May the light of truth shine on you too; I wish you well.
An ex-scientologist, who didn’t steal any silverware, but wants his time and money back.
ScninLA, i have said this before; Anecdotal evidence means nothing. The Aum Shinrikyo cult in Japan had members who worked on computers in offices, and members they locked in solitary confinement and gave LSD. You may not have yet come into conflict with the Church of Scientology, but dozens upon dozens of members and ex-members have had their money, livelihood, and lives taken from them by the practices of the Church of Scientology. You cannot simply say that such abuses never happened.
There is certainly not millions of scientologists. Here are a few links to some of that data about there being only 55,000 Scientologists in the US if anyone’s interested.
http://www.lermanet.com/howmany.htm
of course if you think they’re biased you can look here.
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions
If you think they’re biased you can look here.
http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_briefs/aris/aris_index.htm
I’m pretty sure the Graduate School of the City University of New York isn’t biased.
“What is really funny is that it is well know that many Anonymous protesters are being paid to picket… oh well.”
That’s the thing about the Marcabians… they say they pay well, but the radioactive income tax is a killer. I haven’t seen a seen a cent. :/
However, Kendra promised me a kiss if I ever see her. ^_^
http://www.exscientologykids.com
CULT
Dear ScninLA:
We are supposed to get paid? Sonofa…where is my check at? Is this part of the vast conspiracy that Scientology talks about with us being a Marcabian Invasion Fleet financed by Big Pharm, the Mental Health Industry, and the Germans? Do the Illuminati fit into this somehow?
Anyhow, when you get it all worked out where I pick up my check at, you let me know mmmkay?
I know this is difficult to wrap you head around, but none of us are paid, none of us are following orders, we don’t report to any leader, we don’t have a secret clubhouse to meet at. We are just the rise of social conscienceness. We are each individuals who feel that Scientology has been allowed to conduct their crimes against humanity in the shadows for far too long. We want the truth revealed, and have come together to see that it is.
You defense seems to be if you are doing wrong, the authorities would have stepped in. They haven’t because of incidents such as Operation Snow White where you bent Due Process to your advantage and launched mass lawsuits against the IRS to effectively pigeonhole thier efforts.
Most of your arguments are based in fallacy and the practice of dismissal and flawed logic. You no doubt picked up this in the analysis of the logical fallacies in L. Ron Hubbard’s ‘Introduction to Scientology Ethics’. You aren’t the only people versed in such things. In other words, your Jedi Mind Tricks won’t exactly work on us.
It, coupled with your aggressive litigation tactics may work on one or a few people, but Anonymous is something you have never faced before. It will be the undoing of the abuses your organization has enjoyed carrying out unchallenged for far too long.
Those walls of fallacy are showing signs of structural damage, and I’m pretty sure they are starting to crumble. The light of truth is shining through the cracks and casting shadows aside.
“Operation freakout was 30 years ago scientology doesn’t do that anymore.” “Fair Game was canceled”. “Scientology doesn’t harass critics.”
I beg to difer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2lQhiNQ008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocqUSCz9SVU
whatever, guys.
If there are so few of us, as you claim, what are you so worried about then?
There are 4000 members in my one church alone, and I’ve personally met each of them. If anything, the actual number of Scientologists worldwide is actually underreported. Most just don’t hang out at the computer all day responding to criticism. They get out there and make a difference where it counts - in real life. They are very busy people.
Scientology is a bait and switch scam. It baits people with promises of personal improvement courses, then traps them in a tangled web of lies, all the while selling them their bogus therapy for extortionate prices. Only people trapped in a cult mindset could believe the unbelievable and unproven claims made for Scientology’s miracle cures. These miracle cures are dangerous to people’s health, because they prevent people from accessing real medical treatment and preventable diseases are not prevented.
The primary reason the damage this criminal scam does isn’t more widely known, is because of the mafia at the head of the organization, that uses terrorism and vexatious lawsuites to silence criticism of Scientology’s abuses.
“The Church complies with all laws, or there would be constant arrests and trials… but there are none.”
here are 3
http://glosslip.com/2008/02/27/germany-shows-consistent-in-its-zero-tolerance-policy-towards-church-of-scientology-shuts-down-kindergartern-run-by-cos/
http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Scientologists-charged-in-Belgium/2007/09/05/1188783270166.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/12/europe/EU-GEN-Russia-Scientology.php
What’s this? Almost another Lisa:
http://www.rue89.com/2008/03/18/scientologie-les-dessous-de-laffaire-martine-boublil
Scientology Management does not always tell the truth;
Scientology Management has condoned, conducted and been
convicted of illegal,unethical and immoral activities;
Some Scientology Practices are dangerous to participants health,
either physical or mental or both;
Scientology Management and L.R. Hubbard lied about Hubbards life
history and accomplishments;
Despite the pseudo-scientific claims of Hubbard no Scientology or
Dianetic process has *ever* been clinically *proven* to work as
claimed.
I have been circulating the above, in one form or another
since 1999.
Were the above not true, then they would be defamations of
Corporate Scientology and we both know Co$ has the money and the
lawyers to force me to retract or cease to utter or print them.
But the above *are* true.
And the first four are enforced by *current* Co$ policies.
Scientology is not a religion, never has been, never will be. They mimic one to be able to survive legal questions about their fraudlent products. It is a classic bait and switch scam.
Not only does the Corporation of Scientology embrace terroristic methods to control its staff and upper level members it exports that social economic and psychological terror as a tactic to destroy and detractors or vocal defectors.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT5wNBKhYIE
for more a synopsis of the criminality of this mock religion but the shame it brings on the US for protecting and fostering it with special privileges and even US Govt Mailings advertising the Corporation of Scientology.
I feel sorry for lower level members. They are like frogs dropped in the pot with the heat on low. Soon it will boil and they will be cooked and never realize it.
Gregg Hagglund SP7
TorontoSP
I think that if a person wants to know about Scientology he/she should just read Scientology books like “fondaments of thought” and see if the data are useful for him or not.
The problem with anonymous is that the want to destroy a religion, so they are “I hate you” kind of people. And this kind of people usually lie and every information they receive get worsened and passed to other. As they pass “data” amongst themselves these data become further and further from the truth and the end results is what appears in the articles from anonymous….
They are an hate group and should be ignored or if something has to be done with them, they should be investigated.
You critics really make me laugh. Really. In the face of happy, successful people you remain persistently angry, persistently antagonistic. It is first boring, then a little alarming. And finally, just plain amusing. Hell, sniff the spring air, get the idea?
I am not sure what you were going for here Daniel (the author of the initial discussion) but I don’t know if this “discussion” is what you intially intended. It think at this point if you post something about Scientology it will be quickly followed by a slew of mockery and acidic statements by a very active few. One would believe that L. Ron Hubbard was the devil incarnate after following some of these posts.
The problem aside from the content of these criticisms is the the delivery. You can read much of the above and feel the hate and anger oozing out of some of these sentences.
I don’t know about you but I don’t readily accept opinions and advice of an angry person. I for one will readily admit some of my own worst decisions were made when I was angry or fearful. This type of emotion may be good in a bar fisticuffs but it doesn’t serve well when discussing someone else’s guilt.
I am not sure if you will get this far down the string in reading responses but I would like you to know that there is one guy who has found Scientology to be as throughly workable for helping someone as anything else he has run across. It has assited my life in a host of things. I am definitly more successful and I continue to work at taking life on instead of it taking me on. You may find that this comment will be followed by some who may try and tone down their communication in response but there will be some who miss the boat entirely and will continue to fill their commentary with as many disparaging remarks as possible.