Ron Paul no match for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in 2008

I think that we haven’t seen the end of Ron Paul. The GOP’s golden Boy (McCain) has a long history of corruption and fraud, and the NYT has just begun to scratch the surface.

Hillary’s train is at a dead stop, Obamba has the momentum for now but as everyone knows in politics you can be loved one day and hated the next.

My prediction: The three ‘top-tier’ candidates are going to be exposed for the frauds they are, and Ron Paul will win the Republican nomination, then will go on the be the next President of the United States, ushering in a new era of Freedom and Liberty.

Maybe I’ll get lucky and trampled to death when the rest of america goes charging over the clift…I always knew I was surrounded by idiots.

Unfortunately without Ron we will have to through another four years of the same mismanagement that will add another 8 Trillion dollars to our financial woes. The people of america need to stop being so short sighted and realize that extreme long term damage is accomplished by short term thinking. I will be writing in Ron on my ballot!

The GOP has lost it’s way, but the true conservative Republicans like me will continue to support Ron Paul, and his message. I will write in Ron Paul if necessary this November 2008. McCain is on shaky ground right now, and will not make it to the November election, he does not have the support, or the money. McCain is corrupt, and is no different than Obama, and Hillary in terms of wanting to grow big government. The support McCain does have is coming from the media with free press. If Ron Paul was given just 1/3 of that exposure you would not be writing this article, and the American people would have someone with substance to vote for. Currently, the news is reporting that Ron Paul has only 14 delegates, that is a flat out lie by the way. I suggest the media do a little more research into the delegate process and numbers, and really find out the true story, or they can wait until November, and look like idiots, just so I can have a good chuckle at them. Our election system in terms of actual votes has been manipulated as we all know, not only by the media but also by the neo-con GOP. There are way too many inconsistencies surrounding polls, and votes. I personally know a great number of individuals in California who changed their party affiliation in order to vote for Ron Paul, months in advance mind you, only to find out when they went to vote were told they were registered as Independents, and actually had their voter cards stating they were registered as Republicans, and turned away. The people working at the voting offices would not give them a Republican ballot, and were told to take it up with Election officials. I think the neo-con GOP, and election offices played some dirty tricks here. We the Ron Paul supporters, and the conservative Republicans will not be silenced, or ignored. We will continue to make our voices heard by peaceful, and productive means, with or without the media. Ron Paul has my vote and support in November 2008.

We sane Paulites realize that he really has no shot at the nomination now and that he’ll be too old in 2012.

So we’re diligently working to get more Ron Paul Republicans in the house, the senate, any office, really. This way, we set the stage, have influence and can hopefully make a difference. The worst part is that, of the three candidates, I can’t vote for any of them. They’re all atrocious in their own special way.

Truly sad state of affairs. The only good thing that can come of it is the end of the Bush empire.

Considering the Media black listing of Ron Paul it’s no wonder he polled so low, I run into people every day that never even heard his name and have no idea who he is.
Don’t believe me ? … watchis and judge for your self.

This is a indipendant review of polls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXCkgz1Y-Bk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4QO7zXTljE

Time and time again over and over he is shut out by the corporate media.

hmmm wonder why.

Seems fairly obvious that The media has severly tampered with the 2008 elections. but don’t take my word on it, go see for your self.

And then at the Ronald Reagan libray with host anderson cooper.

That was so obvious, did you see Anderson Cooper blog after the debate, thousands of people all said it was a sham. People are smart and they know the whole thing was thrown in favor of mccant and Romulin.

over and over , so There was not a chance that Ron Paul had, he was burried by the media.

The one guy who stands for the Constitution and personal liberties is called a kook and a nut job.

I do know one thing , Paul ignited a movement all over the world and it wont stop. I think the Corporate media is hated now by a high percentage of Americans. They pissed off alot of people.

If there is ever a REAL investigation in to the Media coverups heads will roll big time.

but

America is not the land of the free, it’s not the home of the brave. All of the real Warriors have either been killed in wars or are locked up in prisons. All you have now is a bunch of men that idol the back street boys and metrosexuals half girls.

The real men of america are gone. Where are the mountain men ? Where are the great hunters, where are the the people that live off the land, there gone, there done, and Corporate Scum like R. Murdock controll everything. damn prune sellout.

So you see. The only Way to get back to the America as we read about would be too destroy television and root out 80 % of all politicians.

DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR

go look up the meaning of the word Traitor.

and think about how many fall under that meaning.

How many times has GWB been involved in treason ?
time and time again but no one does nothing.

There is no democracy
there is no freedom
your votes dont count

we live in a stealth based fascist dictatorship.

your watched with cameras, you speak up and get tazored, you stand up and get arrested.

I could go on and on about how we all are being lied to and controlled but whats the point. no one will do nothing and for that main reason America will fall and the North American Union will be formed and you will loose you national sovernty and your constitution and then the eventual formation of the New World Order.

America Will be destroyed from the inside.

do your selfs a favor, set down with your children and tech them the Constitution, Teach them the Bill of Rights, teach them The Decloration of Indipendance

Thats the only way there is hope for the next generation. If you don’t….

Just imagine A world Government and a Psycotic like hitler comes in to power. Who would Stop him ?

There are no longer any sovereign nations to fight against a person like that. hmmm why have all eggs in one basket ? sounds dumb hu. or is it all being done on purpose ?

thats why the American union must never be allowed to happen. We must retain our national sovernty. Just imagine if bush had complete power over every country on earth.

thats just insane.

protect your future, invest in national sovernty.

If the media is not going to allow America to have Ron Paul as our next President, then we have to elect people into Congress who support Ron Paul’s message and ideals. I have one such as that running against one of our longest standing Dem Congressman right now and I’m doing everything I can to get him elected in the Fall. Check and see if your House Representative has a Ron Paul contender and support him. That way we can change the way things are done in Congress and the Senate and stop the insanity.

Well, sometimes you have to let old people have there way, and if the GOP is destroyed by there actions then so be it. I feel as inspired as I did during the heady days of Bob Dole, niacM will bring ruin to the Gop, Ron Paul is the last true hope to save our country and unite Republicans, problem is to many old and fox news Republicans don’t care to pratice debate based in fact, only fear and propaganda controll there opinion’s, So all hail Obama, The GOP is dead, if they pick this angry little lying troll to be our President. Ron Paul 08

I was going to say something, but you three said it best!

I am with Ron Paul all the way. I truly wish there would be an upset here because Obama and McCain and both scary. Accept no substitutes. Vote Ron Paul!

It doesn’t matter how wonderful a message Dr. Paul has. The fact remains that the masses are asses. People have gotten soft and fat and will generally vote for the candidate that promises more favorable short term solutions. These short term solutions are provided by heavily taxing people that earn more money. This socialistic wealth redistribution is what America wants. They don’t want to work hard and be responsible for themselves. They don’t want asset backed currency. They want their nanny government. If you think you can achieve freedom by convincing a bunch of idiots to vote for freedom in rigged elections, then you have an impossible journey in front of you. Civil disobedience and secession are the true means towards change. If you hate how other people decide to spend your money and take away your freedoms. Stop giving them money.

Paulitician…Then those that support the short term solutions have a drastic wake up call coming. If we continue on our path of insanity I foresee the day of a financial collapse of our wonderful nation…It is withing a couple of decades…When the hungry come pouring out of the cities it’s not going to be pretty!

Any other number crunchers out there?
I think a lot of folks have underestimated the acumen with which Dr. Paul has played the game to win the election. He’s rightfully given his grass roots the estimation they deserve, knowing that they are the key to success. He knows that his supporters are sold on the ideas he’s espoused, and their numbers will only grow. This phenomenon really has the GOP over a barrel, because they know that without R.P. supporters, they have no prayer of winning. The most they can hope for is being held up to ridicule if they run anybody else. Let’s look at this, shall we?

Yellow dog GOPers-20-30%(MC+ Huck split) -R. P. supporters- 10-30%= 35-50% of the electorate ( no way to determine exactly, due to election rigging)
Then you’ve got your 3rd party block which could only go to 1. Ron Paul, 2. independent candidates, or 3. a democrat (definitely not for GOP candidate other than R.P.)=20-30% of the electorate
And finally you’ve got the democratic side of the equasion, where you’ve got
Yellow dog dems-20% , anti war dem voters- 10-20%= 35-40% of the electorate Now when you look at these numbers and move them around you see that the most significant variable is the candidacy of Ron Paul (or lack thereof.) Should the GOP not pick Dr. Paul, let’s look at what happens. They’re left without R.P. supporters, 95% of whom will jump ship for a third party candidate ( or less likely, a dem.) You may also have some conservatives, realizing their plight , jumping ship for a Constitution or Libertarian candidate. This leaves them with, best case scenario-20-30% of the electorate, a joke of a candidacy by any estimation. Result- dissolution of the GOP due to this and continuing disrepute due to GWB admin.
Now look at what happens if they DO pick the right candidate (Ron Paul.) They get the yellow dog GOP vote (chance 1-5% of left wing will jump ship for communist party after their conversion of GOP threatened)-19-26% of the electorate, then you’ve got the Ron Paul grass roots, amounting, by election time to in the area of 35-40% of the electorate, but even if you use the current estimates of 10-30% of the electorate. Then you’ve got the estimated 20-30% of indy voters at least 80% of which will get behind R.P. as a Peace candidate, which gives you another18-30% of the electorate. And finally, you’ve got the disenchanted democratic voters who will bound overboard to vote for a bona fide anti war candidate. I estimate the number of dems disgusted after the ‘06 election to be 25-40%, equaling out to 10-15% of the electorate.
So let’s look at the totals, and please; if I’m way off base here, show me where my miscalculations are. Now, we have
19-26%-yellow dogs
10-40%- Ron Paul grass roots
18-30%-independents
10-15%- anti-war democrats
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57-100% total support for the GOP candidate. Of course the Best case scenario would,in actuality not be 100%. This is a total of best cases, but the total could be very high. The worst case scenario couldn’t be much lower than 57%.
So let’s compare the GOP’s choices in ‘08
McCain or Huckabee-20-30% of electorate
Ron Paul-57-100% of the electorate
Now you can bet the GOP has already crunched these numbers, and you can bet on frequent underwear changes.

The democrats are not guaranteed to win either if the GOP runs a dead dog against them. we can crunch the numbers there as well. The two possible scenarios are that a strong third party candidate will emerge or that they won’t.
First you’ve got the yellow doggers15-20% of the electorate, then you’ve got irate dems who are still livid after ‘06 betrayal. Probably 30% of these will hold their noses and vote dem. amounting to another 5-7% of the electorate. Then you’ve got uninformed Indy’s who’ll vote dem. in order to ensure GOP failure. I figure another 3-7% of the electorate. this will depend on the viability of the third party candidate, and finally you’ve got Ron Paul supporters and GOPers (Coulter, et al) who’ll hold their noses and vote dem. This should be another 3-7% of the electorate .
On the other side of the equasion you’ve got a strong third party candidate or a number of write in campaigns, in any event you’ve got 1. A majority of Ron Paul grass roots who will never vote dem. You’re looking at between15 and 30% of the electorate. Then you’ve got 2. the majority of the indy voters who will reject the 4 more years of business as usual that both the GOP and the dems represent. The weakness of the other two parties will embolden them in voting third party. I figure between15 and25% of the electorate. Then you’ve got 3. a huge group of dems who have vowed not to be betrayed again by the dem. party and will gladly jump ship in support of a strong anti war, constitutionalist platform. you can estimate between10 and 20% of the electorate.
So, lets read ‘em and weep.
vote % based on no third party threat:
15-20%- yellow dog dems
5-7% -gagging irate dems
3-7%- uninformed indys.
3-7%- R.P. and Coulterite voters
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26-41% of the electorate, total. Not particularly appetizing, best case they may win.
on the other hand we have voting third party:
15-30%- resolute R3volutionaries
15-25%- Independents rejecting current state of affairs
10-20%- democrats delighted to stick it to their betrayers
———–
35-75% total third party voters. Best case would not likely approach 75%, but even worst case makes it a close race with the others’ best case.
So the Democratic party doesn’t have an easy row to hoe either. I recommend buying stock in Fruit of the Loom or Hanes.

Of course the NWO can game the election, but they’d have to work every angle in both parties to reasonably expect public acceptance of the results. I predict that they’ll retrench and let the people speak for now, too many of us are paying attention. They can always pull a JFK at their leisure after some of us have gone back to sleep. I’m open to other interpretations. Thank You.

Well, we’re among the first Americans to enjoy the benefits of the new fascist state of Amerexida. Wow so that’s how it feels. Ladies I am so sorry for all the times.. Well anyway, you get the idea. So I guess Ted Gunderson will have no shortage of recruits to sign up for his class action lawsuit against the media alleging treason, racketeering,etc. You might look into this. The complaint reserves the right for victims to execute citizen’s arrests of any of the offending media moguls. Or, hey, why don’t we steal a play from King George’s playbook and hire some out of work schoolyard bullies from brownshirt–err blackshirt–err oh yeah –Blackwater to “disappear” some of these election rigging officials and use some ” agressive interrogation” techniques on em to find out who is giving the orders and just work our way to the top? We could always return the poor suicide victims to their families with a note explaining how they shot themselves in the head three times. I’m sure they’ll understand. But wait. I forgot. We’re not psychopaths. I only hope all of the brain damaged victims of the Iraq and Afghanistan horrors are as evenly balanced as most of the rest of us and don’t clean out a couple of these media viper dens because that’d be all this Washington bunch’d need to really stomp down on our necks. The longer we can put that off the stronger we’ll be. What amazes me is that one misinformed pundit can describe a slavering hell hound (McCain) as the peace candidate and it can translate into a whole state voting for him. I guess if you live long enough you’ll see everything. Much like a few tears squoze out of a rotting corpse can flip the vote by 21% And the way hundreds of media outlets synchronistically accidentally omit the same guy. Do tell. I believe Samuel Clemens said something to the effect of “The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.” Maybe that’s it. did anybody check the journals obits for the Good Doctor to see if he “accidentally” was listed there? Hopefully it’s not another one of those deals where the presenter is announcing the building having fallen with it still evident through the glass behind her. I guess that’s why they pay her the big money, to be able to know the news before it’s on the teleprompter. I heard she’s on the “most requested” list at the psychic friends network. Anyway, about the primaries, buck up! All the monopolizing going on in the media is going to work in our favor because every red blooded American who sees what is going on will have to finally admit to him or her self that the criminality is to a point that even they must object or at least do something. We believers have fasted and prayed that these miscreants would have their deeds turned against them and if you look back, every time they attempt another outrage, they lose. One example? Ol’ Rudy slammed Ron for daring to mention blowback. Where’s Nasferatu now? Probably doin’ the canne–canne in Greenwich Villiage. Trust that the righteous will be vindicated. The public surely has had their brains addled by the NWO but they can’t seem to obliterate our basic good nature. That’s why they hate us. Anyway at this stage of the game, virtue is just goin’to have to be its own reward. Thank you for your forebearance during the rant.

His perserverence and dedication will increase mainstream support. America loves the underdog (look at the national support the NY Giants won against the Pats)

America has reached an all time low and I don’t think many Americans realize exactly where we are and what it means to have lost everything our country was founded on. The more this information leaks into the mainstream, the more folks will back Ron Paul.

He is the only hope for justice, and any chance at reversing what has happened to our liberties with the current administration. All the other canidates are just an extension of the same evil arm holding the American Values by the throat!

yes if Ron Paul does not win the Republican nomination, which he does still have a chance and is still getting my vote, the obama will win. Id rather him win than McCain but they both are no good. If RP would have had the fair coverage of media like every single other candidate had then he would WITHOUT A DOUBT be the frontrunner. And everybody who is now voting McCain because they think he won already, needs to quit, we are votingfor the good of our future and country. Dont pick who your told to pick, pick who is the better man to run the country. If im playing i dont kno basketball for instance im not picking the best looking player im picking the one that is going to help my team the most. The candidate that will help this country the most is Ron Paul. Corporate media is a weapon of mass destruction that seems to have been dropped on America. Go to RonPaul2008.com and quit ruining this country. If we as a nation were to ever be destroyed, we should not be destroyed from the inside but the out

Yes, I would like Ron Paul to win, but I don’t think he has much of a chance.

Why voting for Ron Paul is not “throwing away my vote”: My vote is supposed to stand for the person that I believe is the most qualified / dignified man to SERVE as the President of the United States. I am looking for someone that is loyal to ideals of our founding fathers and the Constitution that protects our individual liberties. I look at the man’s record – does his rhetoric line up with his actions. Do his values represent my values? The only candidate in either party that stands up to my criteria is Congressman Ron Paul!

When I cast my vote, I’m not placing odds on whether or not I can pick the winner. When someone asks me who I’m voting for they are not asking me who I think will win. They are asking me who I think SHOULD win. My answer is Ron Paul.

I will also write his name in the ballot since the GOP and the sheep that line up behind them are too stupid or corrupt to give him the proper media coverage / respect / support / votes to put him on the ballot themselves.

If the Republican party really wanted another Republican in the White House they would have supported Ron Paul from the beginning.

If the media really wanted an honest man in the White House, if they really wanted to see an end to this war and economic prosperity for our children’s future they would have thumbed their noses at whoever is pulling their strings and given him the support he deserves.

Don’t believe anything you hear coming from the “news” or the “politicians”. This whole election thing is nothing more theater.

Do your own research. There is sooooo much to learn about what is really going on.

Our founding fathers gave us each one bullet to fire on election day! I will fire mine as a write in for Ron Paul! The media is trying to force their chosen ones down our throat! Fire your shot!

Who is really to blame for Ron Paul not receiving the landslide of support that he deserves? I’m going to have to say the media for ignoring and ridiculing him, the American people for believing the media, and the corrupt voting system, which allows blatant stealing of votes.

I believe the numbers and percentages are much higher than any of the primaries reported, that Ron Paul has twice as many supporters as the media would have you think, and that if you truly believe that good can overcome evil, there is a still a chance that Ron Paul might win. Anything is possible.

But the sorrow I feel that we have allowed America to become a police state where we are ruled by fear where our liberties and monies are controlled by the government (everyone is a potential terrorist and the IRS has to obey no laws) is still very real.

I pray that at least enough of us have woken up and will start to fight back against the tyranny and corruption that will surely continue with McCain, Hillary or Obama.

And for that I will be forever grateful to the good, wise Dr. Ron Paul — the bravest man in the country.

Ron Pual would squash Clinton or Obama. Inflation and a Social Security that is worth less when you retire equals ANGER. NAFTA and it’s hurfull impact on American workers and the fact it leaves Mexicans farmers destitute equels ANGER.
ANGER at the loss of Habeas Corpus.
ANGER at a fraudulent IRS and Federal Reserve.
ANGER at the devaluation of the dollar.
ANGER, ANGER, ANGER.
Obama’s “Change” and Hillary’s “Leadership” are both concoctions of the tried and true formula that has gotten America in the dire straits of today.
Constitution, the solution and Dr. Paul the catalyst.
Go, Dr. Paul!

You Could Be Voting Your Rights Away
http://www.naturalnews.com/z022707.html

CLINTON WON’T COMMIT TO RENEW CONSTITUTION…
Illinois Senator Barack Obama has finally signed the American Freedom Pledge, joining his fellow Democratic presidential candidates in encouraging the restoration of basic Constitutional principles after the battering they have taken during the Bush-Cheney era.
All the Democrats, that is, except New York Senator Hillary Clinton.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=239574

The Government wants you to vote for one of four candidates! Clinton, Obama, Huckabe, or McCain.

Originally, Rudy and Romney was part of those choices until they withdrew.

If CNN, Fox, or MSNBC even mentioned Ron Paul’s name as much as they do the other candidates, it would have been a landslide. It’s simple! The reason why you see such a huge following of Rp on the internet is because it is not controlled. It can’t be censored by the money hungry “America destroyers” (corporate media)If the media talked about Paul and at least spoke of his views than the nations view towards Ron Paul would mirror the internets view towards Ron Paul.

We are all puppets! We need change!

Where Do You Stand on This Issue?

There is an ideological battle being waged between the forces supporting globalism and the forces supporting national sovereignty. If you plan to participate in the 2008 presidential election, you will need to answer these questions for yourself: Do you believe in the timelessness of the Constitution, or do you believe that the Constitution has served its usefulness and it’s time for another model for government? Are you in favor of international government and more regulation by the United Nations, or do you favor continuation of the institutions that have served the U.S. in the past? Do you want big government with its attendant costs and regulations, or do you favor small government that allows for self direction?
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