Michael Jackson 2nd after the Beatles; Elvis Presley 3rd that’s reality
Filed under: Music, News | By: Daniel
Posted on: December 18, 2007 | 185 Comments

When it comes to Pop and Rock n Roll, you do not get much bigger than the names of Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley and The Beatles but few music goers agree on the biggest of them all.
I have heard a few music fans claim that Michael Jackson is second after The Beatles and Elvis Presley would make third. Is this really reality?


One such fan going by the name of “illmatic” makes this claim below in response to “Michael Jackson King Of Pop vs. Elvis Presley King Of Rock” but how true is it.
I can’t believe all the bull that was written in all these comments. I am seriously flabbergasted. Well for one, in response to the person above me, Michael Jackson never whined that he should be called the King of Pop. He never even proclaimed him self as such, it was a title from the fans and his friends.
Elvis fans still think he really sold 1 billion records> If that were true, why isn’t he the number one artist dominate in all the lists? I haven’t seen his name in the Guinness Worlds Records, have you? Thats cause he’s not, sorry bb. Michael is #2 right after the Beatles, Elvis is #3. Let me come out and just bring everyone up to reality — “Before anyone did anything, Elvis did everything” IS BULL. Elvis one of a kind? Perhaps a caricature of many “kinds”. Elvis and the people behind him stole the image, mannerisms, and styles of other artist. Most of Elvis’ music wasn’t even written by him, and the songwriter who did write them died broke.
And that songwriter was Otis Blackwell, one the greatest American songwriters ever wrote Elvis biggest hits (Don’t Be Cruel, All Shook Up, Return to Sender). Not only did he write them - Elvis copied the arrangement, the style, the vocal mannerisms, and claimed he co-wrote the songs along with Blackwell (at least Elvis’ name was on the record as co-writer).

In truth it was Blackwell’s influence that helped put Elvis on the top of the R&B and pop charts (at the same time) yet Elvis never bothered to even meet him. Unfortunately for Blackwell - sold Elvis’ biggest hits for $25 each. He was the ’soul’ of Elvis Presley - and no one ever heard of him, and he died penniless in 2002. Blackwell also wrote “Fever”, “Great Balls of Fire” (Jerry Lee Lewis’ signature tune), “Breathless”, “Let’s Talk About Us” (two more Jerry Lee Lewis hits).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otis_Blackwell
Blackwell (nor his family) ever saw a penny of the publishing royalties that helped build his empire; and that Elvis’ wife Priscilla and daughter Lisa Marie Presley are reaping the benefits from to this day. No one would of signed her a record deal if she wasn’t the daughter of The King, nor would her homely looking daughter Riley would become a model if The King wasn’t her grandfather. Luckily for her, she still has a hint of the Elvis resemblance in her face.
Why do you think Colonel Parker (his manager) made sure Elvis’ name was on the records as co-writer? Publishing rights. And publishing rights mean big money $$$. Little Richard was cheated out of a lot of royalties on most of his work. Remember Michael Jackson’s wonderful gesture to Little Richard? He bought the publishing rights to his music and GAVE it to him. It made Little Richard cry tears of joy. That is something to be respected.
Elvis was and is a media creation, and his image and life, has been white washed greatly sense his death. People have been brainwashed, by constant talk of his supposed “greatness”. Today Elvis’ legacy is little more than a pop cultural reference. His face is on mugs, stuffed pigs are made in his image, and various other commercial junk. That is all Elvis deserves, and nothing more. They continually throw him up, in response to the greatness of others, but there is absolutely no comparison. This is not about Elvis, but about a system that attempted to bury the legacy of many artists, and continues, to attempt to pump up something, that never was in the first place.
Michael Jackson was THE innovator by far, and although he was inspired by others (Elvis NOT being one of them, but I’ll get into that later) he didn’t totally take on their image, and make a career off it like Elvis Presley did. So there is no comparison. What did Elvis innovate, other than putting an “acceptable” face on the work of other artists? He was a created talented, a singing puppet, and is severely overrated. He did not invent anything, everything he “did” was already done and better. All of his peers Jackie Wilson, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, James Brown and so on are vastly superior.
It was never my intention to come here and bash Elvis Presley. But when I read the laughable comments I really feel compelled to give a virtual slap to people who seemingly haven’t had a clue on what they are articulating (or trying to). Elvis Presley was talented in the same way Justin Timberlake is “talented”. Almost like a modern day equivalent, I wonder how Timberlake would of weathered without his black producers and song writers like Pharrell Williams and Timothy “Timbaland” Mosley for example?
1. The majority if not all of Michael Jackson’s classic songs were written, produced and composed by himself. He is not just a “Pop” artist. In fact, that is laughable. In his adolescence, he was on Motown records (with his brothers) singing unmistakable soul/funk music. In his adult solo career, his debut album ‘Off the Wall’ was disco/funk as well. His music did not generally did not be referred to as “Pop” until ‘Thriller’ although he still covers many genres throughout his career. To make the point this Presley sung this and that [style] is ridiculous, as if Jackson did not himself. ‘Dangerous’ for example was a notable New Jack Swing themed album, but with elements of rock (Slash from Guns and Roses working with Jackson on two tracks) as ‘Thriller’. Eddie Van Halen’s famous solo in ‘Beat It’ was composed by Jackson. To turn a blind eye or ignore to all of the versatility Jackson possesses in music is laughable.
2. Michael Jackson was never influenced by Elvis Presley, or had “took” some of his “dance moves” as someone tried their hardest to insinuate. Why not? Because Elvis Presley didn’t have any to speak of. Michael Jackson was influenced by cats like Jackie Wilson, James Brown, Sammy Davis Jr., all of Elvis’ peers whom HE copied off of. So if you think ‘even Jacko copied some Elvis moves’ I assure you, and I don’t mean to disappoint but, a move was watered down from the Elvis filter that was again, originated from a true trendsetter like Brown. Speaking of the Godfather of Soul, Jackson has spoken of him fondly for decades and Mr. Brown has acknowledged him (and Prince) many a times.
3. Actually, this number isn’t really a point I’m just still laughing at people who think Elvis is original.
4. Michael Jackson has a phenomenal voice, he very underrated as a singer. Unique, rich and lovely when you used to sing live in his prime. He had a voice on him even in his adolescence. What Jackson possesses is a rare talent, and has been exuded since practically his birth. Now, admittedly I skimmed through yet another comment that may have you believe that Michael Jackson of all people relied on stage tricks to impress audiences. LOL! Right. Jackson is typically by himself when solo [or accompanied by his brothers in a group of his siblings] with the band. That is all.
Highly practiced dance moves. If that was said to imply that they were to be regarded as “mechanical” that couldn’t be any more wrong. Jackson has a natural talent for dance (and music in general) as well as his brothers, who self taught the instruments they played. In their Motown audition, the Jackson 5 performed ‘I Got That Feeling’ by James Brown and blew Berry Gordy, Diana Ross and the Motown family away and were signed. If you mean he was highly practiced as in hard working? HELL YES. Far from a negative thing. He has been doing this since he was 5 and hasn’t looked back since.
5. Neither Presley or Jackson had any sense of style. Though both have recognizable, iconic and ’signature’ wardrobe.
6. Elvis obviously held what the ideal handsome Caucasian man of his time generation was considered, as Marilyn Monroe did, blonde, even though she herself was truly your Norma Jean; a cute girl with red-brownish hair. Both had their nose reshaped (in both accounts, unnecessary like all of whom go under the knife) where as Elizabeth Taylor held a more natural beauty, although both women were gorgeous. So while I agree that Elvis was good looking and “sexy” I would not go crazy over him either.
When speaking about sex appeal and attraction regarding Michael Jackson it seems unfathomably, for most people if not all no longer associate those words and attributes with Jackson since the 80s (and slightly in the early 90s). I will disregard the way he looks now, given that he has modified his natural looks and ruined his face. Michael Jackson used to be a gorgeous looking man. He was very slim and soft spoken, which is not looked upon as desirable since they are not typical masculine traits, but thats what many young girls and women found him alluring at the time (watch The Making of Thriller ‘the fans’ segment to see what I’m talking about!). He had caramel brown skin, beautiful brown eyes, a nose that need not been modified, at least not approximately 7 times over, the most beautiful smile (that his sister Janet Jackson too has) and even had a jheri curl that was tolerable.
7. In his prime, during tours like “Destiny” “Triumph” “Victory” “Bad” and “Dangerous” he sang live, his vocals rich and clear, he danced with as much energy as his mentor James Brown, fluidity in his smooths dance steps moves that not Elvis or anyone to this day cannot touch as a performer — and he did this all without sounding off key, a single crack or maybe out of breath by the second verse. I have not seen Elvis live, so I won’t comment by default since that is not fair.
Don’t believe me on Jackson? The greats certainly do.
Fred Astaire and Jackson, 1984

Jackson dedicated his autobiography ‘Moonwalk’ in 1988 to Astaire.

“Oh, God! That boy moves in a very exceptional way. That’s the greatest dancer of the century”.
“I didn’t want to leave this world without knowing who my descendant was. Thank you Michael!”
- Fred Astaire.
Fred Astaire, one of the greatest dancers of all time how much merit and honor. The day after Jackson’s legendary Motown 25 performance when he performed ‘Billie Jean’ for the first time, Astaire phoned him, informed him he had not only taped the show but watched it twice that morning, and he was a HELL of a dancer!
“The only male singer who I’ve seen besides myself and who’s better than me - that is Michael Jackson.”
- Frank Sinatra
Sinatra and Jackson in 1984

Jackson impersonating Sinatra at a very young age, during a skit with Diana Ross in 1969.

Jackson performs ‘Get Happy’ at The Jacksons Variety Show (1977).
watch the video here
The Jackson 5 audition for Motown and perform ‘I Got That Feeling’
watch the video here
And with that, I am finally finished. I hope you learned a few things!
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I couldn’t be bothered to read the huge post before this one, so I thought I’d skip to the last sentence:
“Ask anyone to name three Michael Jackson hits and they would be at a loss. That’s how Thrilling he was/is?”
I would wager my mortgage that at least 95% of people in the street would know at least three of his hits. In fact, I’ve often thought he’s one of the only artists who has so many known hits!
Hell, you can get three off Thriller alone.
The Beatles have some of that Elvis “fame in name”. Which builds them up more than they are.
Rolling Stone and other venues in 1984 called Michael Jackson bigger than the Beatles in their prime.
I fear the current slant towards the Beatles is because of our Western (and caucasian) culture bias in thinking our way is what everyone else thinks, rather than the world’s reality. MJ has had more fame and success around the world than the Beatles.
Maurice Colgan are you fuckin kidding me? Did you and the rest of the racist revisionists come up with that? Do you even know that Michael Jackson is the most famous person in the world? I’m sure it really bothers you that an AFRICAN is the most famous person in the world, now go take your lies to the dump.
This guy is right about MJs singing, it really is underrated. Michael Jackson has vocal range that is freaking inhuman and his voice has so much color, emotion, and beauty to it. People think of him as a falsetto singer but he is NOT. He hits those high notes in full voice.
Some examples
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WXw3EOW23jM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gde6Cp-AUeo
michael is the king of entertainment… and the FACT that he wrote, produced and choreographed most of his music and dances.. (including his biggest singles ever) PROVE why he is the best and will always be the best…
mj is worldwide… elvis is mainly a northamerican phenomena (not that he isn’t known world wide but mj is more known and has been more celebrated world wide in the most remote of countries)
as far as NAMING singles.. i do believe michael’s tracks would reign supreme… maybe not by title.. but they WILL sing you the song. i could probably name you 3 elvis tracks, but i couldn’t name them with the comfort in knowing they were HIS… mike’s i can name dozens and tell you that he wrote and/or produced them.
this isn’t a hate thing to elvis… i have nothing against the man… but let’s not give him credit he doesn’t deserve.. he was fabricated no different from britney spears.. he used the music and dance styles of BLACK artists and called it his own, cheating the original’s out of their credits. michael incorporated his idols’ styles and his own personal style and made his own. Even james brown said that mike used some of his stuff early on… but made his own style… and created his own dance platform that EVERY dancer in music today credits.
i don’t think i need to go into detail about how mike revolutionized music video’s and what we know as MTV.
Maurice Colgan and Charles Thomson: I’m sorry, but you’re both wrong:
Elvis was an extraordinary vocalist and a huge force in popular culture, regardless of whether he wrote his own songs. His influence on generations cannot be denied.
Michael Jackson was and remains an extraordinary vocalist. His influence on generations cannot be denied.
Further, since they lived in such different times and had such different focusses, it is virtually impossible to say who was/is ‘the greatest’. In any case, what would be the point? Both were great entertainers, artists and performers. Why belittle both their legacies by trying to compare one to the other?
(Also, in response to Maurice Colgan’s last remark there, try to bear in mind that Jackson has released a grand total of seven albums since 1979 (in other words, in his entire adult solo career). A tiny number, I’m sure you will agree, yet he is arguably still the most famous man on the planet. You might suggest that this is exclusively because of his curious personal life, but how many washed up celebrities are weird? Furthermore, of his last three albums (not counting exclusively greatest hits compilations), two have become the biggest sellers in their categories and the last debuted at number 1 on the Billboard chart. In any case, there are very few ‘average Joes’, even today, who have not heard of the Moonwalk. In my opinion, there is more than one way to measure musical success.)
To cut it short: GENIUS.
I am a big fan of classical music - Tchaikovsky, Chopin, Mozart, Faure etc I really think that this man, Michael Jackson, might surpass R&B and Pop boundaries in the future, I’ve listen to some of his less known and uncommercial works and I know I am not talking nonsense. Just wait and see…
Cecilia
Michael Jackson Vocal Profile
Vocal timbre: Spinto, Countertenor, Baritone (in the song 2000 Watts of Invinvible album, for exmaple)
Highest note: B5
Lowest note : E2
Vocal range: 3.6+ octaves (E2-B5; 44 notes by the middle of 1980s according to Seth Riggs, Jackson’s vocal consultant (Quote from Seth Riggs); in the 1990s, Riggs said the range expanded to 4 octaves. Apparently, due to aging, Jackson got few additional lower notes, while not losing the highest ones.)
All artists mentioned brought something to the table. Where record sales are concerned I think Michael Jackson may have won. However sales are not what music fans appreciate (only record companies). I agree that Elvis had a singers range indeed Michael jackson may have a wider vocal range. The beatles are excluded because they are a group. So lets concentrate on a fair match.
Some may argue that if Elvis was around when Cds became household items he may have sold more. Thats beside the point.. What im getting at is a true gifted music icon knows his field, who can compose, write and deliver.
Elvis didnt write (no questions) he could deliver. Michael Jackson writes and delivers.
1 - 0 Michael
Crossing music boundaries
Elvis was listended to gosbel and appealed to many people…Mostly though were white. His appeal would be for middle class white people (not racisim just fact). He didnt danced he wiggled his hips. I am not taking the michael here. He didnt use theatre in his performance.
Jackson grew up to soul (motown). What Jackson did was to break down white and black boundaries. MTV was racists (fact) until Thriller made them realise that they could make more money with Jackson on board. Jackson also danced…but not what people associate current pop dance.. He spun like James brown..stepped like Fred and had presence like Frank!!!
In my view Michael Jackson is a true icon because he did what artists should do…write there own feelings down and express through music!! He even managed to express through dance and combined the two perfectly.