Sony PS3 275,000,000 polygons per second vs Xbox 360’s 500,000,000
November 6, 2007 By Daniel
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Kim Naroz left a really long comment on the post about the amount of power the developers are using form the Xbox 360 and Sony Playstation 3, he pointed out that the Sony PS3 display’s 275,000,000 polygons per second, compared to the 500,000,000 polygons per second of the Xbox 360.
My question is does this really matter?
Here is Kim Naroz’s Comment:
Someone needs to point out that the Playstation 3 can only display 275,000,000 polygons per second, compared to the 500,000,000 polygons per second of the Xbox 360.
That is the reason why games like John Madden Football 2008, NCAA Football 2008, All-Pro Football 2008, and many other games from EA Sports, 2K Sports, and so many others all run at 60 frames per second on the Xbox 360, but only 30 frames per second on the Playstation 3.
Gamespot specifically said in the review of those sports games: “The Xbox 360 versions run smoothly at 60 frames per second at 1080p resolution, while the Playstation 3 versions struggle to run at 30 frames per second at 720p resolution.”
It isn’t just sports games with that problem. Look at all the Tony Hawk Skating games, Tom Clancy Splinter Cell: Double Agent, and F.E.A.R. They have frame rates that drop below 20 frames per second on the PS3 and go into slow motion it is so bad…even though the Xbox 360 versions have very smooth framerates.
Oblivion is NOW BETTER on the Xbox 360!!!
When Oblivion was released a year later on the PS3, it used a new shader design…that had NOTHING to do with hardware technology; it was just something put into the new version of the game as a software program. The download was released for the Xbox 360 later on, but the PS3 fanboys always pointed out, “But when you compare the actual discs, the PS3 one has some advantages (although the Xbox 360 version also has advantages, and was ALWAYS rated higher).
Oblivion: Game of the Year Edition is now available for the Xbox 360, and when you now compare Oblivion on the Xbox 360 to Oblivion on the PS3, there is NO DOUBT that the Xbox 360 version is significantly better; that is why it is rated higher!
The Playstation 3 version of Oblivon is a perfect example that what this man is saying about the Hard Drive of the PS3 being used to help out with memory limitations is NOT true. Consider the FACT that the Playstation 3 version of Oblivion does NOT allow the entire world to exist in the game at the same time, like the Xbox 360 version does. This is because of the Memory Bandwidth hardware bottleneck of the Playstation 3.
Also, when it comes to RAM, the Xbox 360 certainly DOES have fundamental advantages over the Playstation 3!
For example, the CPU of the PS3 can NEVER access more than 256MB of RAM at any point. The Xbox 360 CPU is free to access up to 512MB of RAM if there was a need. With the PS3, there are plenty of times when the CPU needs more than 256MB of RAM, and the Video-RAM of the PS3 is actually using less than 256MB of RAM, which means that if the PS3 had a Unified RAM environment–like the Xbox 360’s–then that unused Video-RAM could help the CPU, like it does on the Xbox 360. OBVIOUSLY, the Xbox 360 RAM design is much more flexible; it helps developers in ways that they enjoy working with.
Plus, it’s important to remember that the original design of the Playstation 3 called for the used of TWO Cell CPU processors–each with two Threads that could Send signals to the SPE subprocessors.
However, when Sony saw the design of the Xbox 360, and they saw how much better the Xbox 360 was, then Sony was forced to redesign the Playstation 3 very quickly in a way that hurt the PS3 system. This is nearly identical to what happened with Sega and the Saturn. Sega saw how much better the original PS1 was, and they were forced to quickly redesign the Saturn in a way that used parallel processing that was difficult to work with and was more expensive. This is EXACTLY what happened with the Playstation 3.
The original design of the PS3 was not even supposed to used a GPU, because it was going to have two of the Cell CPU processors. But when Sony saw the revolutionary ATI GPU in the Xbox 360 that was Custom designed for the Xbox 360, and was 1.5 years ahead of its time (since the PC didn’t see similar Unified Shader technology until January 30, 2007), then Sony was forced to removed one of the Cell CPUs in the PS3, and instead add a Nvidia GPU. But there was NOT time to custom design the GPU, so Sony was forced to included a four-year old generic GPU in the PS3. That is why people often point out the vast superiority of the Xbox 360 GPU.
Now that the PS3 only has one 3.2Ghz Cell CPU, it means that the PS3 has only two Threads capable of Sending signals to the six SPE sub-processors running parallel. Each of those six SPE processors is capable of Receiving a Threaded signal; however, the PS3 CPU is only capable of Sending two Threaded signals. This is where the hardware “bottleneck” of the PS3 reveals itself. Programmers often say that the PS3 has two arms (CPU Threads) that are trying to juggle six balls (SPE sub-processors). Obviously, that is NOT possible, and that is why the Playstation 3 hardware is such a BIG disappointment.
With the Xbox 360, Microsoft used a much newer and better form of technology. PCs often brag about their “dual-core” CPU design. The Xbox 360 actually takes that to the next level and used a “tri-core” CPU design, with each CPU using the most developer-favored videogame processor available–the PowerPC.
The Xbox 360 is literally the exact opposite when compared to the Playstation 3 in terms of hardware design and efficiency. The Xbox 360 has three 3.2Ghz CPUs, each with two Threads capable of Sending instructions. But the Xbox 360 doesn’t the outdated parallel processing environment of the PS3. There are no “sub-processors” to worry about with the Xbox 360. The signals can be focused on CPU and GPU commands. This literally means the Xbox 360 has six arms (CPU Threads) that are being asked to juggle only two balls (GPU and CPU functions).
THAT is why the developers absolutely LOVE the Xbox 360 and can design games so much more efficiently for the Xbox 360.
THAT is why games are released so much earlier for the Xbox 360.
THAT is why the overwhelming majority of Xbox 360 games offer better graphic and online performance on the Xbox 360.
THAT is NOT going to change!
It may be easier to port a PS3 game to the Xbox 360 than it is to port an Xbox 360 to the PS3 (since the Xbox 360 is more powerful in terms of videogame performance–500,000,000 polygons for the Xbox 360 is more than the 275,000,000 for the PS3), but the Xbox 360 will continue to be the Lead Platform this generation for two reasons:
(1) Because the Xbox 360 is so much easier for developers to develop games for and experiment with new types of gameplay.
(2) Because the Xbox 360 has sold over Eight-Million more systems than the Playstation 3, and that lead continues grow by hundreds of thousands of systems each month, in terms of Worldwide Sales.
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Product reviews are Screaming X360 FANBOY so loud my ears bleed!!
Is the manager 12 years old or what?? What do you want with this? Convince peopple that X360 is better? Guess what, you are losing your time because I’ll be here to remember everyone that they can’t trust in this site and in the “news” they spread. I hope someone creates an Internet Police to arrest those who publicise “hate-news” and Lies to promote other products!
I respect your opinion, but we post a few featured comments a day of what people have been commenting on.
These are always from both sides of debates like this, as you would see in the featured comment section, we never stick to one opinion.
Please respect other people’s views, even if they are really in-depth.
What clueless idiot wrote this??
“CPU of the PS3 can NEVER access more than 256MB of RAM at any point.”
Total nonsense.. Cell has 256MB and RSX have 256MB, but both can page into the other’s pool. So is in essesence exactly the same as the 360. The only real difference, is PS3 has 256MB of significantly faster XDRam to call on, as well as the 256MB of GDDR3 (the 360 has 512 of GDDR3).
The next laughable bit:
“Plus, it’s important to remember that the original design of the Playstation 3 called for the used of TWO Cell CPU processors–each with two Threads that could Send signals to the SPE subprocessors. However, when Sony saw the design of the Xbox 360, and they saw how much better the Xbox 360 was, then Sony was forced to redesign the Playstation 3 very quickly in a way that hurt the PS3 system.”
BAAAHHHHAAA, did you just make this up? Pathetic…
This is pure nonsense from a VERY worried Xbox owner right now, who can see any ground Microsoft made in the first year disappear down the drain very quickly
Metal Gear Solid 4, Gran Turismo 5…Sorry Xbox
Are you paid by Microsoft. This is ridiculous. Not once in the past week have you posted anything other than an article attacking the PS3. It’s always the same tired arguments too. I own a 360. Please explain to me why Heavenly Sword and Ratchet and Clank look better than any game I ever played on Xbox. Honestly, this site is complete garbage and it is so clear you are just trying to increase viewership to get more ad revenue. This site is the source of all fanboy arguments across the internets: CONFIRMED.
um… how bout we just buy all three systems LIKE ME and stop being so… annoying
ps3 has exclusives and xbox 360 has exclusives and the wii helps keep the pounds off
entertainment is entertainment little one
i still use my old emachine to play boggle… it is has a whopping IGP that supports dx7.1 FULLY!!! OMGH4X
Who is Kim Naroz? I mean, aside being a Microsoft fan boy/girl who’s paid by Microsoft to post misinformation on blogs?
I hope Kim Naroz replies to his above featured comment to back up his claims.
@Dan
No we are not paid by Microsoft and as you said “Not once in the past week have you posted anything other than an article attacking the PS3″
Let me show you a few (by the way I love me 360 and PS3), this is just Kim Naroz’s opinion which has been featured.
Posts Backing The PS3:
Featured User Comment Backing PS3 http://www.product-reviews.net/2007/11/06/devs-problems-games-use-30-sony-ps3s-power-60-xbox-360s/
Featured Comment Backing PS3 http://www.product-reviews.net/2007/11/03/bob-bought-another-xbox-360-because-of-bioshock-reviews/
News on Oct 07 Sales Backing PS3 http://www.product-reviews.net/2007/11/06/japan-october-sales-sony-ps3-closing-gap-on-nintendo-wii/
News about newer Playstation now produces just 135 watts with 65nm version of the Cell inside http://www.product-reviews.net/2007/10/30/40gb-sony-playstation-3-with-65nm-chip-lower-power-consumption-ps3/
I could go on and on, but yes we do post for both consoles, I also have all 3 major consoles and love them all…I guess you only love the 360.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Kim+Naroz%22
A google search shows that all he does is post comments on forums and has no credibility whatsoever.
The fact that product-reviews posts his comment shows biased, shoddy, and unprofessional journalism. Where’s the source for this information?
Yes Terrence thats just what I did, its great having all 3 systems as you get the exclusives.
All three get used in my home as they are all good for different games and reasons.
@MN
I understand where your coming from about Kim Naroz, but again he just made the featured comment section with “His Opinion”.
@ Daniel
you see, it looks like I’m not the only one with the feeling that PR are just going to far with this kind of articles, this is “The Internet” for god sake, we know it might be an awfull source of news, but why make it worse?
The articles you’ve been posting are in the best description Ridiculous and biased. I don’t want you to be Sony Fanboys, or Wii fanboys or X360 Fanboys, I just wanted some professionalism, if you want to keep with this kind of “articles” you should remove your “account” from google news.
I’m tired of this, I was a fanatic Sony fanboy some time ago, I’m hardly trying to forget that, but this is to much, I couldn’t stand that even if it was critisizing other consoles.
It’s a matter of dignity, proud and honesty.
@OhBoy– AGAIN??
Thanks for the feedback, if other people also do not want to read the featured comments then we will remove that section and not feature comments again.
So lets have a vote as it is what’s best for the user at the end of the day (That’s you people).
Who would like the featured comments section removed and no more comments being featured?
We don’t need specs and tech talk to figure this out… Simple observation works quite well
Yes, this is pretty one sided it really does sound. Honeslty, both systems are powerfull enough to last. PS3 has the Blu Ray player, that’s it…thats trully it. My Xbox 360 does rule as far as I care. No issues here. I’ll be sure to get my ps3 for 399.00 now and watch movies on my new 52 inch lcd 1080p sony hdtv…but thats about it. You can keep snake and turismo honestly.
@ Daniel
I don’t know you Daniel, maybe you are a fantastic guy with who I’d love to drink some beers, play some games, talk, do what friends use to do, Internet makes us to distant and it’s hard to evaluate people or their interests, and it’s to easy to critisize as I’m and others are doing, shame on us all!
If you want my opinion I think that yes, opinions as “news” should be banished from PR, at least opinions from “users”, we can never have sure if what they are saying is true or not.
Video Games are suposed to be fun, I’m 26 and for me video games are becoming more political than fun, god how I miss my old days as a gamer and when “all” games were good…
I don’t hown all 3 systems, I hown a PS3 and I will buy a Wii, not a X360 because the difference between the 360 and PS3 are not enough in my opinion, but I wouldn’t mind to have them all.
Well, again, I agree that personal opinions should be banned from “news titles”, not only because they might be incorrect but also because it’s not “news”, and of course everything they do is what we see in most posts, fights and more fights…
@OhBoy– AGAIN??
I have to agree with you, news in all types is best kept separate from comments, I have removed the section from the left and will not be featuring any more comments.
The other writers did not do this, so thats the end of that as I want what’s best for the users (You).
I will be adding a list of the most commented posts or latest commented posts.
I am 30 by the way and you are right about gaming today, when I played my Commodore 64 years ago every night the graphics were bad, but the gameplay was amazing.
Now days we are spoilt with choice and great graphics.
polygons hmmm… why not gameplay instead of shear processing power? pit that against each other please. i still prefer tekken 4 to all other fighter games… i miss ace combat 4!!! i prefer super mario kart on the snes to all battle racers… gameplay rules. entertainment is king. thats prob why exclusives rock so much… the ability to concentrate on the game rather than “how will this look on the wii, 360 and ps3″ …all the grey matter is focused on the development for its respected console. oh well. i think i made a post like this for the whole ps vs 64 vs pc vs dreamcast back in the day… rinse and repeat until desired
The problem is, the garbage you spout here, is posted on forums by brainwashed cluesless Xbots worldwide (Microsoft must be laughing their heads off, and all the idiots they have brainwashed).
Amen brother… The Playstation 3 can only display 275,000,000 polygons per second, compared to the 500,000,000 polygons per second of the Xbox 360. NUFF SAID… 360 ftw! now let’s see if the market will put up with the high defect rates… also you can keep bluray, i’ll just download HD thru FiOS, that’s the future…
So how does he explain Oblivion and Dirt running better on the PS3?
The reason EA games have been better on the 360 is simple and has nothing to do with the 360 being more powerful.
ITS BECAUSE THEY WERE WRITTEN FOR THE 360 AND PORTED TO THE PS3.
The PS3 IS more powerful. Get over it and stop lying you idiots.
Just so you know, because you guys keep posting user comments and forum posts as article, (user comments and forum posts whose users are unidentifiable and unverifiable,) N4G has decided to ban postings from this site.
@ktchong
Please read above comment before yours and this action has been taken, its here below as well:
“I have to agree with you, news in all types is best kept separate from comments, I have removed the section from the left and will not be featuring any more comments.”
uh oh here comes the website administrators acting like hoes and sayin he said she said he said… next thing you know a whole lot of fanbabys will burst in here sayin why their lovin consoles is better than the others. and then that little email message that someone replied will pop up and even more people will reply. the more people that visit this web site the more money they make from sponsors while i go to college and study. genious i tell you
I do remember the first tech specs of the PS3 sporting 2 cells instead of a GPU, the x360’s GPU is pretty awsome in terms of design. It is just to bad that ATI is doing bad in the Graphics Card market right now.
@Smiler Nick
I don’t have to remind you that GT5 and MG4 aren’t really system sellers in the U.S. In japan GT5 will do very well I’m sure, but I doubt that either of those titles will turn the tide to the PS3s favor. I’ve been reading some pretty disappointing things about MGS5, mostly just control issues and mediocre gameplay in the demo. That is a demo though so I’m sure those will get ironed out. If I hear anyone state Asassins Creed as a system seller though. . . probably not.
I wouldn’t say that the PS3 is doomed, I see a positive future. However, I don’t see it beating the X360 or the Wii in terms of sales, and at the current moment I can’t see either of them beating the Software attach rate of the X360 either.
Like a few other people have said: I too own all three consoles. I really don’t play them online that much Because of my job.
@ Mak
You’re clearly the uninformed one, for the PS3’s CPU does not have any direct access to each others ram, not to say that there isn’t a work around, but from what I’ve read about the PS3’s architecture I havn’t seen away they could Get around that. Also the Speed of the ram doesn’t matter if the quantity to be held exceed what is there. you can’t load an entire 350MB level into only 256MB of ram no matter how fast it is. at least not without loading it off of the disk or the HDD severel times over. That’s what you would call a bottle neck.
Can you guys confirm that this is all an
Reguardless of what you sony fanboy say bad about the xbox 360, the proof is in the games. Something is obviously up with Sony framerates.
@ Daniel
“Now days we are spoilt with choice and great graphics.”
I don’t know if you realised, but you made a hell of a phrase! That’s so true man, so true!
I didn’t had the money to buy original consoles or games, the first console I had was an imitation of a NES, it came with a 211 games in 1 cartdridge, I played it for 3 days straight, I dind’t even saw the light of day during those 3 days, it was 100% video game FUN! Then I bought a Mega-Drive (known as Genesis in US), I bought MKII and man… I was The master at that game, I knew everything it was possible to know about a game, I din’t had money to buy more so I took all the joy a could from each game I bought (1 in each six months with luck)…
Now I’m married and a father, I “have” the money to buy everything I want, but this war consoles become so ugly and full of conspirations and technical data and huge interests that I see myself more time in Internet reading “war” then playing games, there are o many reviews, to many opinions, to many “everything”, it’s no more about THE game, is about every little aspect of the console, the controllers, the graphics, the sound, the brand, the companies, the advertisements, etc etc etc…….
Back in the days it was only about (F+F+B+D+HK)…
The age brings concerns and to many “racional” ideas, maybe when we are little kids we really know hoe to enjoy a video-game without the concern if the other console version plays better or not, or if the xxx site gave i a review of 3.2…
But I see 10 and 12 years old kids in this endless fanboy war… so I imagine video-games will never more be like the old times….
Sorry for the long comment, but I believe that the older Hard-core gamers undertand what I’m trying to say…
PS: Sorry my English, I’m from Europe (not UK).
The sony is a good movieplayer though. Not that blu-ray offer any leap over hd dvd.
My god. Has this site become MS’s marketing site? This persons opinion is completely innaccurate - much like fanboy George.
One very simple example of this is the fact you have nothing but anti-PS3 statements on this site, and no logically backed X360 and PS3 statements.
And for all the damn ignorant Cell X360 fanboys, read some damn documentation!! You are plain idiots!!
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/cell/docs_documentation.html
The Cell has INTERNAL dma controllers on a ring buss. Each SPU can access memory INDEPENDANT of the PPE. This bullshit about the PPE having to control the SPE’s is exactly that - bullshit. The SPUs can independantly operate on their own if you want - get a damn PS3 and try it for yourself, its part of the simple SPU examples!!!
So.. to product-reviews.com you guys are being competely innaccurate and MS fanboys. You seriously need to get and produce some real facts and not the bullshit fanboys propagate here.
yeah but you all forgeting that the bit rate of the ps3 with the square root of the megapixels of the l.l.=emc2 by the ponastic formula followed by the gallois extensions of the covering space in the moleculing state of the power 3 formula, equals the parrallel processing of the sinoptic x…so bottom line the xbox 360 got a lot of bus memory and the playstation 3 got a minivan of accessible power in the logic core intake operation…dividin x per b+ c= a=bc meaning the output of the =xvodecalbua= will mean a bit rate of that of aproximately a lot. so stop your bitching all of you. but then again with a tittle like this, you know that if you come to this website you are going to argue and prove your point. but no matter what i tell you all something that will shut you up… I LOVE BIG TITTIES!!!!!!!!!!! booyah!
I just cannot take this seriously and I own many consoles… This website is a joke
well, i own PS2PS3 and the original Xbox1
and i love all of them!i don’t care anything which is better as long as they are not faulty game consoles!! i will buy Xbox 360 in the near future only if the hardware problems are fixed ;v
complain all you like, he’s RIGHT. When it comes to power the 360 is the winner. When it comes to sales it’s the winner in America. And second only to the Wii worldwide. When it comes to games Sony is losing exclusives hand over fist.
It’s the two gen curse. Atari rules for 2 gens, got cocky and lost to Nintendo, Nintendo ruled for 2 gens, figured they could do what they want and lost to Playstation, which ruled for 2 gens and… guess what…. Their sales are unrecovarable. Even with the price drop it’s still selling less than half that of the Wii and no where near that of 360.
Developers are leaving because you can’t make a profit on a console with such low userbase. The same reason the very powerful gamecube got far less games then the underpowered PS2. it’s all about the userbase.
I also remind you you can’t enforce your taste on others. He’s talking tech specs, which if they mattered Xbox 1 would have won last round of the console wars.
I remind you like I do that annoying I-phone users with no I-life. Your console/operating system =/= your penis size. Taste is taste.
It may not push more polygons but the ps3 is far more practical for my entertainment needs. Xbox 360 doesn’t have blu ray or DVD up scaling to 1080p.
I have read this post and others around the same topic and it makes me laugh. Why is it when the truth is shed and developers are saying it in abundance that all these Sony Fanboys get pissed off, throw stats and carry on a rant. They are the developers, not you. Get over the fact that Sony pimped you into believing that your system was superior all in an effort to push Blu-Ray. Really and truly, did the PS2 do anything but play games? Did the Xbox do nothing else but play games? Did you say I can’t wait until the next generation so I can play games with better graphics or did you say I can’t wait until the next generation comes along so I can watch a Blu-Ray Movie? Really, When Nintendo had their original system and they went to Super Nindendo the big deal was 16bit graphics. Then after that it just got better until you come to this generation of consoles. Now ask yourself who has the games. All I hear is Sony Fanboy ranting about PS3 Specs and Blu-ray and Home and folding and everything else that has nothing to do with games. Then the games they have are plauged with development problems and poorer graphics and are not upto par. Your buying a gimic and unfortunatly your the bait. Come on it all about the games and nothing else. Everything else is extra. The only thing Microsoft did to improve games was make them better and add LIVE which is the perfect compliment to GAMES. If your looking for a system with games look to Microsoft and Nindendo. If your looking for a Blu-ray player buy a PS3.
first of all the ps3 has this 256 MB XDR @ 3,2 GHz
256 MB GDDR3 @ 700 MHz, GPU can access CPU memory
256+256= 512
360 as this 512 MB GDDR3 @ 700 MHz shared between CPU & GPU
10 MB EDRAM GPU frame buffer memory
only thing diffrent is that the 360 as that edram and its only 10mb
but that 512 is shared with both cpu and gpu its not split up like the ps3 is.
plus the playstation is alot faster then xbox 360 is. but you so called developers unlike a few dont know how to code for ps3 but soon that will change.
lol you got to be kidding about the polygons maknig the frame rates low just play cod4 on ps3 and xbox 360 there exactly the same 60fps
wrost case for ps3 polygon count: 400 million polygons per second (1.2 billion vertices per second / 3 vertices per triangle)
Maximum (optimistic case) 750 million and more depending on how many triangle strips are used in the game
so if you still have issues with this then contact gurellia games and ask them by far ps3 out does xbox 360 in polygons why you think MS keeps talking about there shaders.
understand the tech befor you spit out garbage.
and also the reason sony took the other cell out because the fear of devs not knowing what to do with the cell for graphics.
Man, listen to the sad ps3 people. You have a machine that has half the power of the XBOX 360 - deal with it.
Sucked in by the SONY pr machine again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice . . .
It is a really big shame to hear the writer of the article calling game creators really lazy. Best said in this quote, “Because the Xbox 360 is so much easier for developers to develop games for and experiment with new types of gameplay.” Remember when the Playstation 1 came out, developers were intimidated by the new technology but in time they were able to develop great games.
And lets not forget that the Playstation 2 had about 8,571 game titles. This sir is where their bag of tricks lies. The 360 may have games now, but what about in a year when the Halo 3 hysteria dies. Halo 3 has the best launch in history, and i doubt theres another game capable of doing this.
Not to mention the 8 million units you say the 360 has over the PS3 includes a year the PS3 was not even in the fight. And if you align the launch dates of both consoles together, their weekly console sales are very close together with the exception that PS3 is doing a little better than the 360 when it was out this long.
And i am surprised you still have loyalty to the xbox. They made you get the huge control for the XBOX, they had a recall for the power cord on the XBOX. On the Xbox 360 if you want to match the ability of the PS3, you have to buy an HDVD player, the wireless adapter, and other things. At least Sony doesnt try to rip me off with 2.5 inch 10$ Halo 3 figurines.
Geeeeeee-whiz.
Who cares if a console has a jet engine strapped to it? The whole point of a gaming system is to PLAY GAMES! Throw all the tech stats out here you want, it’s irrelevant. If I had to choose, I would say I am a fanboy, but Microsoft made 2 better moves this round than Sony did:
-Microsoft learned from last time and launched earlier than Sony.
-Microsoft removed components like the hd movie drive and wireless adapter. This enabled them to offer the system at a significantly lower price, increasing sales.
Both systems have very good exclusive franchises, but Sony has more, and it sucks for people who only own one or the other (like me).
Bottom line, outside of exclusive titles, microsoft will end up with more titles and better titles because the have significantly more units in houses than does Sony. And since neither Sony nor Microsoft has ever done anything for me, I’m gonna go w/ better games every time.
hey guys take this with a gran of salt
Gamespot specifically said in the review of those sports games: “The Xbox 360 versions run smoothly at 60 frames per second at 1080p resolution,
the issue isn’t so much the truth, or rather a lack thereof. technically cell can page both pools of DDR/XDR memory. another factual error on behalf of the author. how is this article supposed to vindicate anything it prints? it’s not even credible.
besides peddling your own agenda i congratulate PR for contributing absolutely nothing to the industry.
How much easy it’s become these days to spin the facts using BIG numbers and complicated abbreviations. This post in Product Reviews is one of them
There are meticulous research that are published in peer-reviewed, scientific journals that point out to the processing power of the cell processor. A few examples are
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1128027
http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/~benthin/cellrt06.pdf
So please try to publish these BS is a journal or confess you are only a fan boy with a big mouth and small brain.
you my friend is a idiot
lol not you maya @ kim is the idiot
Wow worst read ever, you sound like such a fanboy it makes me sick. With games out now like Ratchet and Clank, Hevanly Sword, Motostorm, RFOM, Warhawk, GRAW 2 out already with games coming out in the next couple months like GT5 prologe, Unreal T3, Haze, Uncharted, Lil big Planet, COD4, Burnout coming out you look like the biggest fanboy ever calling it at a brick when it hasent even been a year yet and already looks better than what was on the table in the same time period from the 360. Then you talk about next year God of War 3, Killzone 2, Final Fantacy, MGS4!!, GT5, GTA4, The Getaway, Socom conf, Socom full game, Street Fighter, Tekken 6, Infamous, Singstar, and many more yet to be announced you clearly say you dont have a PS3 and with the beast that the ps3 is and the 2 year of games to show it off better If $399 for a great system with blu-ray, is to much for you should get a better job and stop this writing crap beacuse you stink at it. ENJOY your day
@ maya
yeah but your forgetting that Gohan in the end killed Cell and he couldnt clone himself again after that bigass explosion.
Here Here!… This article shows blogging at its best, Arrogant, un-professional and a mediocre point of view which is totally unfounded.
No one wins with this type of nonsense, most of all Daniel (the monkey who wrote this).
daizo man your so wrong. you really think hes not winning! man the more visits this website gets the more money they make! plus this kind of things are to be expected when you use ps3 and xbox 360 in the same sentence! they totaly knew what they were doing and are now laughin their assess off at this so called scientists with their calculations!
sad sad day’s for 360. long live ps3 i love u xxxx
dude full of shit, that bill gate shit, tell how bill gates fucked you in the ass bitch
I thought this was a review site! Now, if I want to know incredibly false information about a console, I know where to find it.
You can’t post other people’s opinions unless they have and post references to back them up and not from another news source (developers should know the most) cause in the end it means nothing and it gives people the wrong idea about the subject.
LOLZ U GUYZ R STUPID UFF CURSE THE ECKSBOCKS IS THE PWNER THAN PEE-ESSTUPIDO THREE
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It comes down to this.
There are visually stunning games on both consoles.
Different technology works in different ways that I really don’t care about or want to know.
As someone said, its about having fun.
I have not heard or read from anyone who is first and foremost a software programming engineer / graphics guru who said “In my expert, objective opinion the performance and quality of (_____enter console name here) is the superior one”.
Until we get a panel of independent, impartial expert professionals the jury will be out on which console is graphically best.
Most of us are fanboys, I know I am. A few of us care more about the games than the brand of machine.
I agree with the fella that said something about remembering we’re only in it for the pleasure of gaming.
nuff said?
This is complete nonesense, the PS3 is fundamentally much more powerful. This guy (who is he?) surely is no low level programmer or hardware designer.
The only reason why some early games didn’t run very well on the PS3 was because they were ported from the XBox 360, which offers different specifications and these games are not tapping into the Cell SPU’s (the bulk of the Cell’s performance potential, powerful and flexible processors which are able to accelerate CPU as well as GPU related tasks.
Lets not forget that the ps3 pixel shading technology isn’t as good either
http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertainment/gaming/games-consoles/news/sony-ps3-not-as-good-as-xbox-360?articleid=688059659
“Fill rate is one of the primary ways to measure graphics performance - in essence, it’s a number describing how many pixel operations you can perform. The fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, meaning that games either have to run at lower resolution or use simpler shader effects to achieve the same performance.”
Lets face is PS3 stands for Piece of Shi* 3
Too bad the ratchet and clank demo looks like shit sometimes, when the frame rate drops to like 20 fps when that big building is being destroyed, looked like too many polygons for the ps3 to handle at the same time.. oh and i have a ps3 and im always fighting with my 360 friends because they talk shit about the ps3, but im beggining to guess they are right.. oh and sonic, has anybody played sonic? when the frame rate drops to literally 6 frames per second?
Well what a load of misleading 360 fanboy garbage that is! Aside from how (in)accurate the article is, the author seems to be forgetting the fact the PS3 is out now! I recall Microsoft written “independent” research about the differences between the 360 and PS3 before the PS3 was released that read very much they this.
However, I have now played/seen games like Ratchet and Clank, GT5, Unchartered, MGS5, Lair (talking graphics/sound not gameplay), Warhawk etc. so I know what the PS3 is capable of, and as far as I’m concerned it’s a lot more impressive than what the 360 offers.
The 360 is built like a PC, and games look like PC games, even Halo 3 surprised me at how PC looking it was and how jagged things were. I was struggling to see what it was doing that my old PC couldn’t! Whereas I find PS3 graphics to be much more impressive and natural (and in the case of R&C, approaching Pixar quality). It may just be personal oppinion but I find PS3 (exclusive) games look much more visually impressive than the 360 equivalents.
Also exclusives and games where the PS3 has been the lead platform or independently developed show what the PS3 is capable of - Haze (developers were so happy with it they dropped the 360 version), UT3 (developers think the PS3 version is equal to the very highest spec PC, but remain strangely quiet on the 360 version), Call of Duty 4 (running flawlessly on the PS3 at 1080p 60fps, some early previews suggesting it even eclipses the 360 version).
This guy is trying to use a handful of lazy 360 ports as proof for his crap pseudoscience, while completely ignoring hard evidence (the games) that are staring him in the face!
Now that developers are getting to grips with the finer points of PS3 programming you are beginning to see the true potential of the PS3 and to suggest that somehow the games listed above are exceptions and that the future for the PS3 is 30fps 720p low quality ports of super duper 5 years ahead of their time 1080p 60fps mega games for a console that never brakes, is frankly ridiculous!
As a retailer id have to say that the PS3 is history. Can’t sell them or the games. The 360 owns the market. Is the 360 more powerful? There is not one game that I know of that plays better on the PS3 than on the 360.
Hey! How come you didnt drop the my xbox can also fry eggs on it speciality?
ive only got 2 thingd to say to this idiot.
the first is that the xbox 360 will soon be outdated, dont kid urself. ps3 has from the start next gen disk, next gen hdmi and hard drives in every version (upgradable, so future proof) next thing.
i got 1 example… Gran Turismo 5. if youre talking graphics, there is no better. recently a quiz went out on the net that proved that 92% people cant tell the difference between GT5 and real life. thats just how good the graphics are. and need i mention that the best looking game EVER on a console happens to run at 1080p and at 60 frames per second smoothly? and polyphony themselves stated that what they were tryin to achieve would not be possible on the x360 and any new pc costing less than $8000. im sorry, but you’re wrong. ps3 is the future
just remembered. ps3 runs linux as well as other os’s. there is already an xbox360 emulator on yellow dog linux being developed. how long untill ps3 can play xbox 360 game, 1-1.5 years to halo 3? already there is an emulator that can run on linux on the ps3 that plays most every xbox 1 game. thats better than the 360 can do already!!!
Ill keep my ps3 and play halo 3 too, without spending $400 of wasted money on a console thats going to be outdated in 2 years. so i dont care
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS;
http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/movie/d1384.html
NOW, LET’S SEE THE XBOX360 DO THAT!!!!
P L A Y B 3 Y O N D
i own both a ps3 and a 360,while i would not buy the same game for both consoles i do download the same demo’s. the does seem better lighting on the ps3.but far more important to me is the consoles controller the xbox feels really comfortable but i can never get on with it, offset joysticks just dont seem to work that well and are not very sensitive. the ps3 on controller work very well and would go as far to say a design icon.all it needs is rumble feature.
next point is how long my xbox will last until i get the redring of death.
And we do need both consoles as if only one wins this war the price of games i fear will go through the roof.
Wow, some Xbox 360 fanboys can be a real pain in the arse. When I say some, I mean all of them
I think these comments from the guys behind Darkness sheds some light on why various multiplatform games didn’t get the most out of the hardware potential:
“It depends on the type of engine you are doing. In The Darkness they have pretty similar performance, but that is very intentional from our side. We need the two platforms to perform similarly, and therefore we can’t design features that would take advantage of the difference of the two platforms. To my knowledge the PS3 has untapped potential in its seven SPUs”
Source: Edge online
Also various early exclusives didn’t yet use the PS3’s SPEs, this was confirmed with regard to Genji 2, a game which looked graphically stunning and ran well on the platform. Give developers some time to adjust their legacy game engines, there’s no doubt the PS3 offers a lot more potential than the XBox 360 does.
Look at me! Look at me!
Yo! I be own’n the 360, like actually my 7th 360 for that matter…and I am suuuuch a fanboy. It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. Thats beside the point though.
Honestly…which is better? Coke or Pepsi? Ford or Chevy? Southpark or Family Guy (ok that last one isn’t fair…everyone knows Southpark rules…only a PS3 fan would like Family Guy)…
My point is…I google XBOX 360 dialy, and I clicked on a link that took me to this site. Its pretty clear of this writters agenda. I mean, he could have wrote the same article, and left out a few of the personal indirect jabs at sony and came away with a bit more respect…
Now if your happy with you PS3
Continued…
…and your 4 games worth playing right now…then good for you! Like I said before, I’ll be buying one soon to watch my movies on…and I suppose its possible that MGS4 and Killzone and UT3 will be cool…so then lets talk…right no all i have to say is Gears of War.
Im a fanboy too. Not such a big deal.
1) The XBox 360 design is bottlenecked. The GPU and CPU have to share one bus to the RAM. The PS3 has one bus to faster low latency XDR RAM and a seperate bus to the GDDR3 RAM. Roughly twice the bandwidth.
> PS3 can NEVER access more than 256MB of RAM at any point
2) It can both the CPU and GPU have access to both types of RAM.
> TWO Cell CPU processors–each with two Threads that could Send signals to the SPE subprocessors.
3) The PPE allows for 2 hardware threads and as many software thread the software developer wants, each SPE allow for 1 hardware thread and as many software threads the developer wants to create.
> Programmers often say that the PS3 has two arms (CPU Threads) that are trying to juggle six balls (SPE sub-processors). Obviously, that is NOT possible, and that is why the Playstation 3 hardware is such a BIG disappointment.
4)IBM tests already showed the SPEs can reach near 100% perfomance levels. So there’s no bottleneck.
> Each of those six SPE processors is capable of Receiving a Threaded signal
5)7 SPEs, one is currently used exclusively by the OS.
Just some things I wanted to point out to render the article useless and clueless.
Sony people are like Democrats: they don’t like the system because of what it can do, they like it because it is Sony.
umm dumbasses, if the ps3 is so great why the hell have sony only sold 2 of em!? sales figures speak for themselves
No one will buy a PS3 to run Gran Turismo. Its a racing game. ITs easy to make a racing game look good.
wat the fu*k is wrong with this x360 fanboy……..no matter wat u make up about the ps3 or x360…..but get this in ur mind that PLAYSTATION 3 will kick xbox 360 ass just like PLAYSTATION 2 did to the xbox….can someone tell me wat is the meaning of xbox
what a bunch of bullshit ur just a pure 360 fanboy try liking all 3 systems for a change u biased idiot
try liking all 3 systems for a change u 360 fanidiot .
my god! the ps3 does not need to have the same amount of polys as the 360 becasue the 7 symetric cores can hold that much data! and with the help of blu ray giving the ps3 a transfer rate of 48mbps the ps3 will still give more. look what rock star said about gta 4 “we had to hold back the ps3 version as the 360 could not keep up, and with the 56Gb’s of data on one disc, we could not see all 360 owners having a large HDD”
I seem to recall a dev working on GT5 commenting on how realistic PGR4 looked, stating that there was no way (at the tokyo game show) that was realtime gameplay, then he played the demo and was blown away. I believe it was in an Issue of EGM either from last month or the month before.
http://www.players4players.com/fotosnoticias/1767870647451af51f4b720.jpg
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/853/853087/vids_1.html
just look at any of the gameplay videos here. PGR4 runs ag 60fps and is one of the best looking racers I have seen to date. that is to say GT5 isn’t out yet so I can’t really compare the two fairly.
hahaha erm 8 million more 360’s sold than ps3. so that makes a total of 6 360 customers as they have bought a few hundred thousand each.
i dont know what inspired this article but the predictions in it wont happen, the new ps3 ad campaign follwed by november releases and finally ff13 and mgs 4 will have ps3’s flying off the shelves. And with very few returns compared to a big woopsie by microsoft not being involved with testing the 360 and its basically got a hamsters life span, you just dont know when it will die.
to be honest who really cares what any one says if u like the ps3 stick wwith the ps3 vice versa, all i see one websites and youtube is people saying fuck the 360, fuck the ps3, omg how sad do have to be to do that they are probaly geeks who have never had a shag (SEX) makeing them selves feel big all i have to say is O DEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You corporate shrills need to focus the frick away from sales. Sales don’t mean shít.
Oooh, big woop, the Xbox 360 has sold more units than the Playstation 3. Wake the hell up! The 360’s been out for a year longer. Look back to the games and sales in the 360’s first year, both crap.
Like I said, sales barely signify anything. Think about the Wii. Why does it sell so well? Primarily, because it’s cheap, even though Nintendo sells it for more than it costs to make. On the other hand, Playstation 3 owners are getting an incredible bargain when buying a PS3.
Next, it appeals to parents who want to buy a console for their kids. The Wii looks cute, it’s small, and has kiddy games. On that note, most of its games are oriented to children; Cars, Meet the Robinsons, The Ant Bully, Cooking Mama, Spongebob, Billy and Mandy, the list goes on…
Have any of you realized that the total Xbox 360 sales include the people who had to buy another 360 because their first, second, third, even fourth 360 succumbed to the red rings of death? When you look at it, that means that even though more 360s have been sold, the number of people who own a 360 and Playstation 3 are very close.
Hey Kim,
STFU! I pity system fanboys like you. Honesly, why does this $#!t about 250,000,000 polygons to 500,000,000 polygons even matter, or any hardware spec between the 360 and PS3 for that matter? Games are only as good as the developers behind them, bottom line! Call of Duty 4 is a perfect example, that if a developer takes the time to understand how a system works it will be exactly the same on either the 360 or PS3. So, take a chill pill and relax, because none of this stuff matters at all in the long run. Just enjoy the games you want to play on the system you want to play them on and STFU!
P.S.
Fanboys suck!
$ONY fanboys can’t stand hearing the truth! I would feel the same way if I had dropped all that cash for a system that simply doesn’t deliver the goods. Maybe someday $ony will get their shi7 together but until that far off day comes, go buy a 360 ppl. Why wait when XBOX Live is here now? I mean I didn’t play games at all until the day I went and played on LIVE - now I can’t stop….it’s like crack for smart ppl!!!
I’m glad I read this article. Very informative. I was thinking of getting 2 consoles this holiday. One for my brother and myself.
I was about to get a PS3. My friend has it and said the same thing how the framerate on Resistance: Fall of Man is pretty bad. That’s the only game he has so I don’t know if it does it on other PS3 games.
With the 360 I was afraid of the 3 red lights. But I guess since they have that new 3 yr warranty it won’t be a bad deal.
Anyway, I saw this deal on Amazon where you buy an Elite and get 2 games with it, Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance for $450. I just ordered 2 so I’m pretty excited.
PLAYSTATION 3 will always be faster and better than Xbox 360 in all category perieod. Xbox 360 sucks.
Wireless controllers, connection to the PSP and a powerful new graphics processor technology: Take a look at the PlayStation 3’s performance specifications as provided by Sony.
CPU: Cell Processor
• PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
• 1 VMX vector unit per core
• 512KB L2 cache
• 7 x SPE @3.2GHz
• 7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
• 7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
• 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
• total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
GPU
• RSX @550MHz
• 1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
• Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
• Multi-way programmable parallel pipelines
Sound
• Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)
Memory
• 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
• 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
System Bandwidth
• Main RAM: 25.6GB/s
• VRAM: 22.4GB/s
• RSX: 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s(read)
• SB: 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)
System Floating Point Performance
• 2 TFLOPS
Storage
• HDD: Detachable 2.5″ HDD slot x 1
I/O
• USB: Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
• Memory Stick: standard/Duo, PRO x 1
• SD: standard/mini x 1
• CompactFlash: (Type I, II) x 1
Communication
• Ethernet: (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
• Wi-Fi: IEEE 802.11 b/g
• Bluetooth: Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller
• Bluetooth:(up to 7)
• USB2.0: (wired)
• Wi-Fi: (PSP)
• Network: (over IP)
AV Output
• Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
• HDMI: HDMI out x 2
• Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
• Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Disc media
• CD: PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM
• CD-DA: CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW
• SACDL: SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD
• DualDisc: DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
• DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PLAYSTATION 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video (DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW), Blu-ray Disc (PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE)
NO MORE FEATURED COMMENTS!!! Only have articles that are backed up with citations/links. These retreaded fanboy comments are worthless.
Which morron wrote this? Thats the biggest BS i ever heard in my life. get this in ur head. PS3>360 fool.
nice article, a bit biased but if wat u seem to know more about this than anyone i know including the people claiming youre a fanboy. I may have to reserch the ps3 limitations now.
ok i was a die hard xbox 1 fan…never had a ps2, microsoft pulled the original xbox off the shelf roughly 4.5 years after its release. Ironically, this is just when it was starting to actually catch up to the ps2 cough cough. It was superior in every way minus the games. I loved it none the less. Why did they pull it off the shelf…money, it cost too much to make and good old bill was loosing money
what did they put out…the ring of death…a cheap, slight upgrade on the original system. discouraged, i shunned xbox and waited for the ps3. Im glad I did, with ps3 you get a ps1, ps2, dvd, blu ray, and cd player. I own about 200 ps1 and ps2 (i got a few I missed for ps2) and despite what you may read they work flawlessly. We are talking about games for the ps1 that are over ten fucking years old!!! I own 374 original games for xbox one and if I got a 360 100 of them (may) work. wtf??? And lets not forget that blockbuster has signed a contract in which they will be exclusively carrying Blu ray…the dvd era is over and blu ray is the new standard (or will be). Oh yeah, blockbuster just happens to be Americas #1 chain of video rental stores in the usa…significant point I think yes. Also, lets talk about the horsepower of the two systems….yeah ps3 can process 2 terraflops of information to 360’s 1…significant…i think yes. Lets talk about 1080….most 360 games run in 720…most ps3 games (especially sony made games) run in full 1080. And lets not forget where videogames really come from (japan) and area were sony will more likely dominate over 360…japan. significant…i think yes. Who had the first cd player, who had the first walkman, who had the first boom box….sony, I think yes. And what was the last American gaming company to make a system…atari…jaguar..crash and burn…..keep having those pow wows in your ring of death in vain…then check out heavenly sword
ps. halo is the most over rated game of all time
for real!
John, your spelling and grammar is bad but you are a smart man!!! You are right in a lot of what you say and I can tell you have given this much thought. I own a 360 and I played heavenly sword, I honestly think that ps3 is more capable from the looks of that game alone…here is one thing though, go to blockbuster and look at how many 360 games they have vs ps3…what does it tell you? More people are playing 360 than ps3 and that says something! Right now I am content with my 360…although I will admit…its my 3rd one. But as a gamer, I will say I do wish I had a ps3.
hahah, smart man John…really. All I have to say is PS3 IS SO MUCH SEXIER THAN 360!!!
JOHN HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THIS…..ALTHOUGH HIS GRAMMAR IS OFF IN SOME PLACES!!!
Why bother with, which company sells the most, what is the point in debating that. The only people that need to be worried about sales are the corporate heads at the respective companies.
If Sony wins the console war, will you get some kind of special prize? If Microsoft outsells Sony, will they give you a profit share?
hahah, That kim guy is a noob!..
lol @ him.
I love my 360 and PS3 .. this guy is a moron, and so are the noobs that believe this crap…
LoL @ u All!
Coz it’s the gamers that have each console that have the last laugh. not the fanboys.
Actually the ps3 can do 400 to 750 million polygons per second depending on the game. See the facts at:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_’Reality_Synthesizer’ do a little more research shi7box fanboys.
Fanboys deploy!
God you Sony Fanboy have a lot of time on your hands to write all these long whining posts!…. we’ll i suppose you gotta do something while you wait 4 some games to come to your movie player.
I think John is talking S**t, and a ps3 fanboy
…significant…i think yes.
Um..
Actually the original poster is correct in pretty much all of what he says.
In particular, the PS3 does not have 512mb of shared ram, it has 256mb of dedicated Ram for GPU and CPU use.
And the PS3 WAS originally designed to not have a separate graphics processor, with the Cell handling it all.
And at the last minute they went to Nvidia for a solution(not because they were scared of the Xbox’s GPU) because they realised that the cell couldn’t handle graphics processing duties on its own. Sorry “Mak” you are incorrect and the OP is correct.
p.s. if they PS3 is so much more powerful than the xbox (lol) then how come every game that is out for both systems is either identical, OR superior on the xbox, running at more FPS.
Can any PS3 fanboy name a game that is out for both systems that is superior on the PS3? I thought not.
Also you people talk about the cell like its the second coming, despite it’s documented coding issues.
But you utterly fail to ignore the indisputable fact that the PS3’s GPU is inferior.
There is no argument on this latter point, it is a fact.
So if even if the Cell > xbox CPU (which it isn’t) the xbox GPU > the PS3 GPU, and as most games are more GPU than CPU dependent, any perceived (and incorrect) superiority of the Cell process