Devs Problems: Lack of memory on Sony PS3 and storage on Xbox 360
Filed under: News | By: Daniel
Posted on: November 3, 2007 | 134 Comments
We have heard many gamers comparing the different games on the Sony PS3 and Xbox 360 but today we had a long comment from someone calling themselves “IsThis4Real” and they make an interesting case for both the PS3 and 360.
Also they outline some of the problems both games consoles face and explain a little about the CELL CPU. Have a read a let us know if you agree.
Here is IsThis4Real’s comment:
I honestly wish people would get over the whole “CELL” thing. Its totally, as it stands now, overated - and the concept is still in its infancy. Its not the be all end all of CPUs. Its simply a single IBM Power PC core with 7 SPEs. I think people still make the mistake in claiming and thinking that they are essentially seperate CPUs. They are not.
Its “simply” designed for very fast on the fly encoding/decoding (gross missunderstatement, I know - but I think for some it has to be put VERY simply if you know what I mean) - its specialty will lie in the integration of the home based setup.
This is something Sony mooted nearly 10 or more so years ago, the ability to have every single (Sony based) product in one house hold to be able to communicate with eachother. This is when they forst started announcing that they were working on a single SUPER cpu.Watch that space over the next few years. They might actually get there, but I tell you, it aint going to be this incarnation of CELL, thats for sure.
It is not even an ideal functioning model for multi-threaded coding, an area, which despite a few game companies have said they are able to pull off, is again, still very much in its infancy - especially on the mainstream level - ie to you.
If you really want to be “technical” the PS3 setup is absolutely lousy - plain and simple - for modern game setups. The majority of the work needed for the PS3 is not the so called difficulty of the CELL processor, but its lack of main memory, lack of video memory, and very slow load data-read speeds, and much slower bus speed, all in comparisson to the Xbox 360.
The CELL, despite what is said, is NOT an overly complicated piece of architecture. It has the potential to be quite elegant in fact.
Think to yourselves for a minute, peoples?
You have games on the PS3. Dev kits have only been out X amount of time. Both 360 and PS3 release are identical - dont be anal guys.
Yet, you will notice that the PS3 sufferes time and time again in comparison - just mildly - mind you. The issues being what? Framerate? Resolution? This are problems not associated with CELL, but less memory, fill rate, bus transfer etc. The only way to really optimize is for Sony to “cut the fat” from their supplied libraries. Thats it. Its very little, or nothing at all to do with CELL difficulty. The processors are a non event.
That will possibly be the only major problem for devs for both consoles in the near future.
1). Lack of memory on the PS3.
2). Lack of storage space on the Xbox 360.
Watch out for that one. It will be here sooner than you think, if not already.
Hence the heavy need for almost triple assest content on Blue Ray discs, and very heavy cache useage. But cheers to Sony anyways for bringing something new to the table. But to say that games that are comming out would not be possible without it are just plain rubbish. But not so if on the PS3… Its just a little bit different. Tis all.
You want to talk about technical limitations??
All it will take is one REALLY good game, yet to come, on the PS3, with exceptional graphics and very heavy scripting, and it will absolutely bring that machine to its knees. Just because of the Single PPC core, and small ammount of memory. If you have actually looked at the way the PS3 “works”, it is a very laborious process !! There is so much to and fro before it even gets into the pipeline for post processing, any benefit that the CELL even began to pose is vanquished.
But everyone, just bear this in mind. The Xbox 360, for all the bagging it gets, is really quite a powerfull piece of kit. It has 3 seperate PPC cpus, which basically equates to 6 hardware threads. It has more memory to play with, a superior GPU, and superfast bus rate.
All the BS talked about GOW pushing the 360 is almost toss. Sorry. It was only running on two thread system. And even that engine was very buggy and “heavy” at the time. If not totally overated in its own right as well.
Honestly, if MS decided to put some form of a HD disc in it, Blu Ray or HD-DVD, the damn thing would be almost future proof, with the exception of the over heating, ofcourse.
Because, as it stands, the PS3 only has the storage space over the 360. Its not anymore “advanced” at all, and in many ways, slightly less.
Anyways, ive gone on a bit. Sorry.
Sometime soon, some dev will get around to managing the PS3 with a par excellence attitude. It looks like Infinity Ward might just be there.
Take it easy, guys. Sorry for going on a bit.
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I CAN’T BELIVE SOME OF THE SH* THAT FANBOYS POST,THE FIRST BIAS REMARK WAS HOW THE PS3 GAMES LOOK BETTER THEN THE 360 GAMES AND THE TRUTH IS THAT IT’S THE 360 GAMES THAT LOOKS AND PLAY BETTER THEN THE PS3 GAMES NOW.THE OTHER IS HOW THE 360 CAN’T RUN GAMES LIKE Ratchet & Clank.IT’S JUST BULLSH*T AND THAT’S FACT,ALSO ONE SONY FANBOY SAID THAT COD4 LOOKS BETTER ON THE PS3 WELL I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HE’S LOOKING AT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME DAMN THING,BOY THIS IS PATHETIC HOW THE SONY FANBOYS COME UP WITH SH* THAT’S NOT EVEN TRUE.
THE OTHER THING THAT THEY ALWAYS SAY IS THAT THE PS3 ISN’T AT IT’S FULL PERTINTIAL,WELL THEY ARE RIGHT BUT THE 360 ISN’T EITHER AND THAT’S A FACT TO.
THE OTHER THING THAT BURN MY ASS UP IS HOW CAN SONY FANBOYS HOPE THAT AN AMERICAN COMPANY FAILS AND ONE FROM JAPAN WINS(BOY THEIR PRORITIES ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE).A FEW MONTHS AGO ON G4 AT THE TGS THEY HAD TO WRITERS FROM GAME MAGAZINES FROM JAPAN AND THEY WERE ASKED WHY CAN’T THE 360 JUST CAN’T SEEM TO SELL WELL IN JAPAN AND THEY REMARKED THAT THE JAPANESE PEOPLE ARE PROUD OF THEIR COUNTRY AND THEY WANT TO SUPPORT THE ECONOMY AND THEY ARE PROUD OF COMPANIES IN JAPAN ESPECIALLY GAME COMPANIES,AND THEY JUST REFUSE TO SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT’S NOT FROM JAPAN ESPECIALLY IF IT’S FROM AMERICA.WELL AFTER I HEARD THAT I WAS MAD AS HELL BUT SONY FANBOYS STILL HOPE THAT THEY BEAT AN AMERICAN COMPANY,WELL ALL I GOT TO SAY IS THAT I’M LIKE THE JAPANESE PEOPLE I’M PROUD OF MY COUNTRY TO.
THE MOST RIDICULIOUS THING THAT I’VE HEAR IS HOW MICROSOFT DOESN’T CARE FOR IT’S CUSTOMERS AND THEIR PRODUCTS ARE NOT GOOD.WELL IT WAS MICROSOFT THAT GAVE IT’S CUSTOMERS A 3 YEAR WARRINTY AFTER THEY HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE 360,THAT’S HALF THE CONSOLES LIFE,BUT SONY DIDN’T DO A DAMN THING WHEN THEY HAD ALL THAT PROBLEM WITH THE DRIVES IN PS1 AN2 BUT THEY STILL HAVE THE NERVE TO SAY THAT IT’S MICROSOFT THAT DOESN’T CARE.
THE REASON THAT THE PROBLEMS WITH THE 360 BECAME A BIG DEAL FOR IS BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET.WHEN THE 360 WAS RELEASED THE WHOLE WORLD WAS ON THE INTERNET AND EVERY ONE COULD TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT THE PROBLEM AND SPREAD THE NEWS ALL OVER THE WORLD AND SOME SONY FANBOYS EVEN LIED SAYING THAT THEY HAD A 360 AND IT BURNED UP TO.WHEN THE PS1 AND 2 WAS RELEASED THEY HARDLY HAD ANYONE ON THE INTERNET SO NO ONE COULD TALK ABOUT IT AND SPREAD THE NEWS ALL OVER THE WORLD AND PEOPLE COULDN’T LIE ABOUT IT EITHER.IF THE INTERNET WAS LIKE IT IS NOW BACK THEN THEN SONY WOULD’VE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM MICROSOFT HAD WITH THE 360.
THE PEOPLE THAT CRITIZE MICROSOFT AND SAY THAT THEY NEVER WILL BUY ANYTHING FROM THEM IS LOST,HELL 99% OF THEM ALL READY BOUGHT SOMETHING FROM MICROSOFT,IF IT WASN’T FOR MICROSOFT AND WINDOWS THEN THEY WOULDN’T EVEN BE ABLE TO USE THE COMPUTER BECAUSE THEY CAN’T USE DOS JUST LIKE I CAN’T,BUT SONY DIDN’T INVENT IT SO IT’S NOT GOOD.SONY FANBOYS ALWAYS SAY THAT MICROSOFT CAN’T MAKE A GOOD PRODUCT BUT THEY NEVER TALK ABOUT SONY AND THEIR PS1,2,CAMERS THATS BEEN RECALLED,COMPUTERS,THEIR BR PLAYER WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT,AND THEIR COMPUTERS THAT WAS RECALLED A FEW YEARS AGO,THEY ACT LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED AND ALL SONY PRODUCTS ARE THE BEST.
THE BIGGEST ARGUMENT THAT I’VE HEAR FROM SONY FANS IS THE DISC SPACE WELL THEY’RE RIGHT THE PS3 BR HOLDS MORE INFORMATION BUT THEY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 2% OF GAMES THAT WILL NEED MORE THEN 1 DISC,HELL LOOK AT OBLIVIAN IT WAS ONE OF THE LARGEST GAMES AND IT USED 1 DISC AND IT STILL HAD SOME SPACE LEFT,NOW LOOK AT MASS EFFECT IT HAS MORE DIALOG THEN ANY OTHER GAME AND THE CRITICS ARE SAYING THAT IT HAS THE BEST GRAPHICS THEY SEEN SO FAR AND IT DIDN’T USE ALL THE SPACE ON DVD 9 AND ALL THE COMPUTER MAGAZINS AND OTHER THINGS I’VE READ SAID THAT WE REALLY DON’T NEED BR OR HD DVD FOR GAMES FOR ABOUT ANOTHER 4 YEARS AND IF PEOPLE STOP BEING BIAS THEY COULD SEE THAT BECAUSE WE DON’T NEED ANYTHING LIKE THAT NOW BECAUSE WE HARDLY HAVE ANY GAMES THAT USES MORE THE 1 DISC(THEY HAVE SOME)AND IF IT HAS MORE THEN 1 THEN I WILL GET UP AND CHANGE IT BECAUSE I’M NOT THAT DAMN LAZY.IF THE PS3 HAD A HD DVD DRIVE THEN ALL THE SONY FANBOYS WOULD BE SAYING THAT HD DVD IS THE BEST AND BR SUX AND THAT’S THE TRUTH BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT THE PS3 IS GOD BUT IT IS JUST A DAMN TOY THAT PARENTS BUY FOR KIDS TO SHUT THEM UP.I’LL ADMIT THAT I PLAY GAMES BUT THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL I WOULD SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY ON A TOY FOR ME BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN’T MAKE ANY DAMN SINCE.
THE FANBOYS ALSO WANT ADMIT THAT THE OTHER SYSTEM HAVE GOOD GAMES,THE SONY FANBOYS SAY THAT ALL THE 360 GAMES SUX BUT IF HALO3, GEARS OF WAR AND MASS EFFECT AND OTHER GAMES WAS ON THE PS3 THEY WILL BE THE FIRST ONES IN LINE TO BUY THEM.THE SAME THING WITH 360 FANS THEY SAY THAT ALL THE GAMES ON THE PS3 SUX AND IT’S NOT TRUE,HELL I THINK THAT KILLZONE 2 AND SOME OTHER GAMES WILL BE GOOD AND I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY THEM AND THEY WOULD TO AND THEY WOULD BE IN LINE JUST LIKE THE SONY FANS TO BUY THEM IF THEY WERE ON THE 360.
I’M TIRED OF HEARING SONY FANBOYS SAYING THAT THE 360 DOESN’T HAVE ANY GOOD GAMES COMING OUT NEXT YEAR,THEY HAVE
1-HALO WARS
2-FABLE2
3-TOO HUMAN
4-ALAN WAKE
5-AGE OF CONAN
6-DEAD ISLAND
7-VOODOO NIGHTS
8-SPLINTER CELL CONVICTION
9-DARK MESSIAH OF MIGHT AND MAGIC
10-KINKDOM UNDER FIRE CIRCLE OF DOOM
11-LOST ODYSSEY
12-NINJA GAIDEN 2
AND THEY HAVE MANY MORE EXCLUSIVE GAMES ON THE 360 TO PLUSE THEY HAVE ALMOST ALL THE GAMES ON THE PS3 TO EXCEPT THE ONES THAT ARE EXCLUSIVES BUT THE ONES THAT’S EXCLUSIVE FOR THE 360 MORE THEN MAKE UP FOR IT,SO TO SAY THAT THE 360 DOESN’T HAVE ANY GOOD GAMES COMING OUT NEXT YEAR IS JUST BIAS.
THE TRUTH IS THAT THEY ARE BOTH GOOD SYSTEMS AND THEY ARE REALLY EQUAL IN POWER BUT THEY ARE CALCULATED DIFFERENTLY,THE 360 DOES SOME THINGS BETTER THEN THE PS3 AND THE PS3 DOESE SOME THINGS BETTER THE THE 360 AND IF YOU WANT TO AMIT IT OR NOT BUT YOU WILL NEED BOTH SYSTEMS TO ENJOY ALL THE GAMES AND NEITHER SYSTEM IS GOING ANY WHERE
Dear Scotty,
Relax. Take a chill pill, or if you don’t have a pill, then take a chill strip.
Scotty (ALL-CAPS-MAN) ranted: >
Yeah, those darn fanboys. Good thing Scotty isn’t one of those.
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The XBOX 360 cannot run Ratchet and Clank. Why? Maybe because it’s a PlayStation 3 game. FACT
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One person said something? Dear God! Fire’s going to rain from the sky cos somebody has a different opinion?
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Probably a Vizio. Maybe a Bravia?
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But not as pathetic as a person who types in all caps about what one person said.
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“PERTINTIAL?”
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That’s actually hemorrhoids burning your ass up. See a doctor. Also, World War II has been over for many years, and if not for Japanese gaming companies you would not have this rant.
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First, G4 sucks. Tech TV was so much better. Secondly, you actually believe that? It wouldn’t have anything to do with that Microsft just doesn’t realize how to market a system in Japan. They really just try the same stuff they do for America and Europe, and that’s not really how things work in Japan. It’s Microsoft’s arrogance that makes their marketing fail, just how Sony’s hubris believed that Americans would want to take a second job just to own a PS3.
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Pride is one of the seven deadly sins, you know.
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Microsoft not care for their customers? Well, dropping the original XBOX like a hooker in GTA3 after the release of MechAssault 2 in 2004 seems a bit uncaring. Also, initially, making a $400 game system that could cook an egg and denying the RRoD problem for over a year could be some fuel to that fire. Or I could just say, “Windows ME.”
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After 16 months of denial of that. Sure, they are making amends, but had they put a few extra bucks in the original 360s could had saved them from this issue in the first place.
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Yes. Sony did not do anybody any good with the PS2 scratching discs, and the PS1’s internal overheating problems except to make people buy a new system, that is true. But people have the right to voice dissent. That’s one of the foundations of the country you are so proud of.
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What?
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Uh.. What?
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For that you have no proof.
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1. Regarding the release of the PS1, maybe not many people had internet access, on that I disagree, but we still had magazines, newspapers, televisions, radios, etc. You are making it sound like before the ‘net, nobody could communicate with each other.
2. Regarding the internet at the time of the PS2 launch, which was back in 2000, millions of people had the internet. For instance at that time I was playing console games online with the SEGA Dreamcast. It was the time of the “dot-com” boom, you honestly do not remember that?
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Are you a fucking retard? That was a rhetorical question.
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Yeah, cos none of us would be using an Apple Computer, or an IBM PC running PS/2.
Plus, like it or not, Sony makes some damn impressive TVs, CD and/or DVD Players, they came up with the Walkman, and together with Phillips/Magnavox (a Dutch company) they created the Compact Disc and also, Sony Corp. is part of the DVD Consortium.
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No. The PlayStation 3 and XBOX 360s are not toys.
They are home electronics, just like a home theater, an SDTV and HDTV are not toys. Would you call a PC a toy?
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Actually since Electronic Arts now owns BioWare, I bet Mass Effect will be on the PS3.
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Exactly. Full Auto 2 is a wonderful game.
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You really don’t get it, do you?
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WTF!? You could have just posted this last part, using lowercase letters, and it would have done the job.
Intead you decided to play three rolls. You are a Sony fanboy, you are a 360 fanboy, and you are fucking retarded.
Smoothnoodle;
Try Looking here…
http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell0_v2.html
PS3 all the way!!! 360 poooooooo! hehe XD