Devs Problems: Lack of memory on Sony PS3 and storage on Xbox 360

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• 1 SmilingAssassin // Nov 3, 2007 at 4:40 pm

  There is absolutely no doubt that the GPU is inferior on the PS3 so I’ll second that thought and the way the memory is setup on the PS3 doesn’t seem to be the greatest of thinking either.

• 2 David Taylor // Nov 3, 2007 at 4:54 pm

  And even though no one has a clue who this person is or if what they say holds any truth his claims will be repeated all over the place as fact by retarded 360 fanboys.

  Devs who have worked on the PS3 such as naughty dog are saying they have only used 30% of the PS3s power.

  According to the devs Motorstorm apparently only uses between 15% and 20% of potential:

  http://ps3.qj.net/Under-the-hood-MotorStorm-uses-15-20-of-available-SPU-resource-/pg/49/aid/92150

  EA said in December they were using 20% of the PS3s power:

  http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ea-games-use-20-percent-of-ps3s-power-221137.php

  On the other hand the developers of lost Planet said last year they were using 60% of the 360s power:

  http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGrLrNudLu06041314

  This guy is just another hater hiding behind pseudo made up bullshit science and anonymity. There are no memory size problems at all with the PS3 if you know how to code for it. It has exactly the same amount of memory as the 360. In fact there is less of a strain on the PS3s memory because it can cache to the hard drive. Why do all these so called experts always forget about that?

  The FACT remains that the PS3 is more powerful which is why Microsoft will not allow the 360 to essentially be bench marked against it in Folding@home. PS3 games are already at the same graphical level as the 360.

  This statement really sums up what an idiot this guy is:

  “All it will take is one REALLY good game, yet to come, on the PS3, with exceptional graphics and very heavy scripting, and it will absolutely bring that machine to its knees.”

  Really? What like Ratchet & Clank did? Its also funny how Oblivion which is one of the most technically demanding games on any platform runs better on the PS3 than the 360.

• 3 Trevor // Nov 3, 2007 at 5:04 pm

  @ SmilingAssassin

  The PS3 uses the CPU for graphics as much as the GPU. A lot of people seem to forget that. As the last guy said there is no evidence at all that there is a problem with the memory on the PS3, it is just set up differently. We are now starting to see what its capable of with games like Ratchet & Clank and Uncharted and its only going to get better.

  A lot of the haters are going to be forced to eat their words over the next year or so.

• 4 RicketyBob // Nov 3, 2007 at 5:39 pm

  Very good article… all so true aswell!

  It’s a shame MS didn’t follow suite with Sony and go with a HDDVD drive built in for bigger games, and it’s a shame Sony didn’t follow suite with MS in terms of system memory. When the next PS and Xbox comes out we should expect them to be even more comparable as both companies are going to learn from both of those mistakes, respectively… Should be interesting

• 5 smoothn00dle // Nov 3, 2007 at 5:39 pm

  Daniel is talking crap here. SIMPLE, that is Daniel’s mind.

  When cellchip first showed, M$ and Xbots stated that cellchip was a mistake because Nvidia and no eDram. Then came Folding@home and IBM cell Blade server, Xbots answered: CellChip only good at research, not games. Now we saw Ratchet and Clank and Heavenly Sword. Xbots replied Graphic is not important, gameplay is! Pathetic

  This guy Daniel take it even further. “only has the storage space over the 360″. He forget to mention that PS3 uses Xdr ram that run at the same clock speed as Cellchip and 360’s ram is four time slower.

  PS3 folding@home is most powerful distributed computing system sourced from Guinness World Records 2007. Daniel , yr theory just got raped. Go and do some more reading. Then we can talk.

• 6 drett // Nov 3, 2007 at 5:48 pm

  ….”is most powerful distributed computing system”
  That would be nice if i wanted to do reaserch with a Ps3 but i want to play games wich the Ps3 doesn’t have.
  bleh who cares anyway,if the Ps3 flops they will just build a Ps4(he he or a new Ps2) and do it all again

• 7 Gamer // Nov 3, 2007 at 5:49 pm

  smoothnOOdle:

  You are obviously a stupid Sony fanboy. Please dont comment on technology that you are clueless about. Just continue to believe that the $600 you dropped on a Blu-ray player is justified. The rest of us will play GAMES, something you are in short supply of on your pathetic BS3.

• 8 Johnny // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:15 pm

  Well I’m actually Xbox does not have that much more games then the PS3, even with the year head start the xbox had, it only have about 282(give or take 5) titles that are out and about to be released, and sony ps3 have 243(give or take that are out or about to be released, and not to mention the huge libary of ps2 games that is available to the ps3(except 40gb).
  So to say 360 have way more game is like saying I’m waaay taller than you are, when you are about an inch or two taller.

• 9 mookmookie // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:16 pm

  Wow! Daniel you Xbot you. At first you imply in the title that both systems have there problems for devolopers. Yet, it turns out, you just slap’d that title up there to get us video game freaks to take a gander at your garbage. [b]This artical was solely intended to bash Sony/PS3[/b]. “Also they outline some of the problems both games consoles face” - where are these problems for the 360, you say he mention? “Because, as it stands, the PS3 only has the storage space over the 360″ - what dream world do these people in?
  In the end, the only thing you managed to do, is show your incompetence & xbot fanboyism. Also loosing valuable readers(hits)to stupidity like this. You see I am a 360 worshiper myself, but not an ingnoint robot who believes anything he hears.

• 10 Jak Morris // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:16 pm

  who’s to say the guy that posted this has any credability? Leave comments like this to be said by a known professional, not some randome commentor.

• 11 mookmookie // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:21 pm

  im glad this is the last time ill ever come to this site, too bad for you it was the first.

• 12 Jay // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:24 pm

  man grow the fuck up. all of you.

• 13 RicketyBob // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:24 pm

  Of course…… it was inevitable that a sony fanboy, such as smoothn00dle, would come along throwing his toys out of the cott.

  LoL at him

• 14 protoss killer // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:25 pm

  gamer…
  ….go and fXXX your xbox….. daniel is talkling crabs…and so do u! u all full of shit…if u dont like ps3 …just shut the fxxxing mouth…!

• 15 imaballa // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:27 pm

  Jeeze, these amateur’s and their supposed theories.

  Fill rate is not the end all be all, if you recall PS2 had much more fill rate than the original Xbox, as some developers pointed out reliance on Fillrate is null on the PS3.

  Earlier ports and even still some 3rd party ports are trying to use the incorrect model for PS3 development.
  Which is: GPU for Graphic’s Rendering, CPU for algorithm computation use of only GPU memory.
  The Correct development model COD4, and Unreal Engine 3 recently modified for, and Killzone 2 uses: Cell does both graphics rendering, and algorithm computation on the fly and pushes it onto the 3.2GHz XDR ram, and the only thing GPU does is final texturizing utilizing the GPU RAM.

  The correct development model yields superior performance as seen by titles such as :Call of Duty 4, Unreal Engine 3 titles: Unreal Tournament 3, and Killzone 2, Uncharted Drakes fortune, Ratchet & Clank.

  Its easier for PS3 exclusive ground up titles to be developed in this model, as well as 3rd party developers who chose to develop on PS3 ground up as well: such as UT3, and COD4.

  With the right development model you are already seeing games perform superior on the PS3 than the 360 counterpart.

• 16 Ps3IsTheBest // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:45 pm

  OK this guy is an idiot, first of all, in order to understand the CELL you need to be a programmer which you clearly are not. The SPE’s are like mini processors and actually can be compared to the GPU of graphic cards. So you can actually say in a way that the SPE’s are like mini graphic cards that revolve around the Main CPU. Another idiotic point that you have attempted to make: “It is not even an ideal functioning model for multi-threaded coding”. Actually dumbass it is, how else would you plan to program for 7 SPE’s and a Proc? It’s called parallel programming which I know you dont know because 1.) Your a dumbass and 2.) your not a programmer!! The PS3’s power has already been proven using Folding@home, first party games are already looking better than 360’s first party games at the same time frame (1 year in the consoles life). So again, your wrong. This whole article is wrong so just STFU

• 17 Getoffmynutz // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:45 pm

  Technology that he’s clueless about? Cause I don’t see u commenting about anything about technology so shut ur lip ur the fanboy. I own both systems and u say ps3 lack games how’s that they got heavenly sword rachet and clank, folklore, warhawk, skate, stranglehold almost everygame 360 gots minus GoW and halo3 so stop being a fanboy MS has been out for 2 years now and what great games have they come out with ohh ya only 2 Gow and halo 3( which runs at 640p natively) so stop ur whining and this dood writing the article is a jucket he has no clue what’s what…… Go 360 and G0 PS3

• 18 Getoffmynutz // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:49 pm

  That comment above was towards Gamer

• 19 Adrian // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:50 pm

  man u lot need lives, go out, get laid, or even get a gf to peck u on the cheek, dis is pathetic arguin over dis

• 20 Getoffmynutz // Nov 3, 2007 at 6:50 pm

  Comment above was towards Gamer

• 21 Bob // Nov 3, 2007 at 7:08 pm

  Imaballa is absolutely right. the writer of this artical did not do the research he should have, he probably got his info from an xbox fan site.

  Plain and simple, the 360’s GPU is NOT more powerful, and the CPU certainly isnt. If you really want a way to compare the GPUs without having to look at all the specs and what not, just think of this; The Xeon is just a modified Radeon X1950XT, and the RSX is a modified 7800GTX. Technically neither is “more powerfull” than the other, they just do calculations differently.

  The CPUs are an entirely different playfield.
  The cell is an early form of a hybrid of a CPU/GPU which is what AMD/ATI is trying to make. It uses a single PowerPC core which has similar performance to an AMD Athlon 64 3200, and its aided with 7 SPUs that do simple calculations. very similar to pixel pipelines or pixel shaders on GPUs. so the cell is going to be very beneficial for media-based applications.

  as for the Xenos, its just a Hyper-Threaded version of the PowerPC. very similar to the P4 HT, only instead of the HT acting as 2 processors it acts as 3. it still is a very powerful processor, but for what its made for, it has nothing on the cell.

  i just got done beating halo 3, and i noticed something that Gears did also, there are moments in the game where armor or textures do not load, and it looks like a blob of mud. im sure everyone who has played gears knows what im talking about. and i thought it was just the way gears was programed, but since Halo 3 does the same thing, its got to be something else…

  dont get me wrong, i just bought my 3rd 360, and its for a reason. the hardware is nowhere near as impressive as the PS3, but the online gameplay is awsome, i hope PSN will get there someday. and since bioshock and halo 3 where huge dissapointments, i hope mass effect and too human make up for it.

  to all you xbox die hard fan boys, why does Killzone 2 look so much better than anything out on 360? or Heavenly sword? or Rachet and Clank? or MGS4? even GT5 looks far better than Forza ever thought about. now that may be the blu-ray advantage, but its got to be something else.

  one thing that i thougt was severly impressive for the PS3 was how well it runs UT3. a side by side comparison of a PC with a Nvidia 8800 ultra, 4 gigs of ram, and a quad core intel, which rounds to about 3 grand, the now 400 dollar PS3 version looks just as good, and the physics are actually superior, unless you want to include the ageia physics processor, the its pretty equal.

  The other thing, the main thing i hear about the PS3 as far as trash talking goes, is the lack of games, now if i remember correctly, and i know cause i had one when it first came out, it didnt have shit for games until Gears came out. The PS3 has had 2 very distinguished titles very close to its release time, Motorstorm, and Resistance. Resistance looks as good as halo3 by the way, and that was just a launch title for the PS3.

  So dont get me wrong, i have both systems, and they both do what they do very well, but when i hear shit about the PS3’s hardware being inferior to the 360s, i have to correct. same with the lack of games. oh and the sales of the 360 are almost exactly how the original xbox sold. look at the figures, the PS3 is doing no worse, its not doing much better either though.

  I just respect sony for trying to make an advance in the hardware for the gaming world. they spent millions on developing the cell, while the other companys just took something that was already there, and shaved, and added something else to make it “their’s”.

  u cant argue with this…

• 22 Matthew Collins // Nov 3, 2007 at 7:08 pm

  I think this is bullshit at the most what that guy said about PS3s cell and cou the Ps3 is the most advanced piece of hardwarwe ever created in the video game industry. I know cause i worked on a few game demos that has alreadied appeared on PS network it has 70 times the power than x box 360 people are just porting those crappy games that first appeared on the 360 onto PS3s motherboard and the PS3 is trying to program it more than what the game is capable of doing dont blame the PS3 in itself blame the devs that would rather port instead of recreate an engine and build it from the ground up but like i know it is more time consuming and it REALLY saves alot of money

• 23 The Grim Reaper // Nov 3, 2007 at 7:11 pm

  Just what I thought imaballa!

• 24 semimaru // Nov 3, 2007 at 7:12 pm

  and here keep on the fanboys attacking each other on the specs they read about on the internet. look if you think you all know it all then buy all video game consoles out there, open them up and read the things letters numbers and all on its inside and get it over with. if you think specs are important then buy a nes and a super nes cuz theres plenty of good games for it. if you think power is important then buy a super computer and good luck affording it!

• 25 Wrong // Nov 3, 2007 at 7:14 pm

  I don’t even have to say anything because smoothn00dle & imaballa said it all can’t put that or write that down any better I have both 360 and ps3 love them both but you will see that the ps3 will start to make better looking games in the future and it starts now with CoD4 even the developers said it looks slightly better on ps3 then it does on the 360 I also belive that CoD 4 is running at 1080p for those with hdtv’s that support it while 360 its only running at 720p but you’ll see in a couple of more months or this november as games keep coming out and go do some research come back when you have something better to say come from both sides “360Fanboy” yep I said it.

• 26 Carlos! // Nov 3, 2007 at 7:18 pm

  I dont like how you capmpared the problems that the muti-console games have such as framerate. The 360 has been out for a while and they have been able to take care of those things a whole year before they could on the ps3 where as of now not only have they had less time to figure things out they have 2 consoles to worry about as opposed to one. And that is very time consuming.
  So what im trying to say is to give the Ps3 a chance because considering what i have just said the ps3 is doing extremly well in those areas becasee they keep catching up.
  why is it that games exclusive to sony can pull of the 1080p at 60 fps??

• 27 mookmookie // Nov 3, 2007 at 7:23 pm

  @Bob

  finally someone who makes sence. I think you need to be a columinst for this site, who is obviously hurting badly for them.

• 28 MK // Nov 3, 2007 at 7:25 pm

  “Blue Ray discs” ???

  The man can’t even write Blu-ray correctly and you want I belive is mumbo-jumbo crap?

  LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

  Do you believe in everything people say in this site? Pathetic…

• 29 Trevor // Nov 3, 2007 at 7:33 pm

  The post I was agreeing with earlier seems to have been deleted for some reason.

  It mentioned that Capcom said last year that they were using 60% of the 360s power for Lost Planet but at the same time EA said they were only using 20% of the PS3s potential. Both of those devs are completely independent. It also said that the reason Microsoft wont allow the 360 to be used for folding is because everyone would be able to see from the figures that the PS3 is far more powerful.

  It also mentioned that Oblivion actually runs better on the PS3 than the 360 and as any PC gamer will tell you Oblivion is a very demanding game.

  The other point was about the PS3s memory. The PS3 has the same amount of memory as the 360 but it is set up differently so you just have to develop for it differently. The PS3 actually has an advantage with memory because it can cache to the hard drive instead of having to keep game data using up memory space.

  The guy who wrote this article is obviously just another dumb 360 fanboy. The good will out in the end and over the next few years the extra effort that Sony have put in will pay off and all the haters will fade away.

  Any 360 owner that thinks their machine is as powerful as the PS3 should take a look at Ratchet & Clank.

  The New York Times:

  “The new ‘Ratchet’ is a watershed for gaming because it provides the first interactive entertainment experience that truly feels like inhabiting a world-class animated film,”

• 30 LOL // Nov 3, 2007 at 7:38 pm

  “Because, as it stands, the PS3 only has the storage space over the 360. Its not anymore “advanced” at all, and in many ways, slightly less.”

  LMAO who let this fool out ^ ?
  the ps3 less advanced than the 360?is that why the 360 needs an add-on to run hd movies?could that also be why the 360 needs an add-on to access a wifi network?what about being able to stream 360 games to a portable device,oh wait…

  let me tell you something kiddo:The 360 is without a single doubt in my mind the INFERIOR product.Proof of this?The Red Ring of Death.But no,don’t get it mistaken.It’s not the fact that the hardware overheats that makes it inferior.Its the REASON why it overheats that makes it a toy compared to the Ps3.Here’s a hint:It starts with a ‘G’ and ends with a ‘U’.

  I’m tired of these Google kids claiming the 360 is on the same level as the Ps3,I have worked at the exact place where they fix the shoddy 360 consoles and I can tell you with utmost confidence that the Xbox 360 architecture is a joke compared to the Ps3 architecture.But oh well,let me go buy a 360,even though it wont last past my next haircut.

• 31 Eamon // Nov 3, 2007 at 7:48 pm

  I read a lot of sites sayint that the CPU of the PS3 is superior. I also agree that both GPUs are generally the same. But shouldn’t have Sony made a superior GPU than 360 since they came out a year or more later. But anyway what I wanted to know was what was the difference between a 3-core CPU (of the 360) and a 1-core with 7 SPEs in Speed, performance etc…?
  I also seriously want to know which of them is better to have for gaming?

• 32 Tech25 // Nov 3, 2007 at 7:52 pm

  Wow, Bob!!! That was a very well organized and articulated argument. And I must say I fully agree with all that you said because it is FACT based which people nowadays can’t seem to grasp. The two systems are very different and do well in their own right. To each his own for the system they choose. It is not necessary to bash one to prove superiorty of another it is all choice in the end. I CHOSE the PS3 over the 360 because I felt it has the potential for greater longevity based on untapped power and hardware/software. I think that MS will have to make another system to match the PS3’s capabilities. I base this on the same FACTS found in Bob’s comments. I could be wrong in the end, but it doesn’t seem that way at this point. I am not saying the 360 sucks, if you like it better, more power to you. I am sticking with the PS3.

• 33 Adam // Nov 3, 2007 at 8:00 pm

  I think Bob is correct in saying “neither is more powerful, they just do calculations differently”. And please, xbot fans, listen, i was torn between getting a ps3 or 360, do you know what made my decision? The 360 has to many problems! I know that the 360 has over heating problems, and the red ring of death. And i would personally be rather playing killzone 2, than talking to a micrsoft person for an hour…only to find out it’ll take a month for my 360 to be fixed from the “ring of death”. And for overheating, my ps3, has never frozen, or shut off when i didnt intend for it to. The only time it has frozen is online twice. I played Resistance for 6 hours straight and it never froze.

  As for power, next gen games come down to a couple of factors. Like in assasians creed, (we all have heard of)is finding the 360 to be frustrating. Y?? because there spending more time than exspected to compress information on the 360’s dvd. Im not making it up, its in a interview with the director of “assasins Creed”. Compression can only do so much good…but when you have 5 times the space of another system to work with, which do you think developers will choose? And i know i sound one sided….but i hate FANBOISM!!! this person obviously is a ms fanboy…and im not a sony fanboy, just giving you the facts…nothing more…nothing less.

• 34 RJC // Nov 3, 2007 at 8:03 pm

  Hey,Danial why be a fanboy have you found devs complain about the memory it’s not inferior to 360 on memory 256mb of ram 256mb of vid ram devs can use the other for things if needed.360 has 512mb of memory SHARED AROUDN THE WHOLE AND I REPEAT WHOLE SYSTEM.so level.

  the gpus yea about the same but rsx is better though.and cpus noc ontest cell wins.

  ps3’s harwdare wipes the floor with 360 hardware.

  Cell is the best gaming chip on Earth FACT.

  And they spent $400 BILLION on cell with toshiba and ibm.

  so don’t talk rubbish dan.

  yeah i ahve a ps3 as it’s the most powerful and graphically capable console ever.

  Killzone 2,Uncharted Drake’s Fortune,Ratchet and Clank,Gran Turismo 5 all have this thing in common other games probs do anall.But….

  THEY ARE ONLY POSSIBLE ON PLAYSTATION 3.

  THIS IS LIVING

  RJCMANUTD94 (PS3 ID) Contact me

• 35 Ravi // Nov 3, 2007 at 8:06 pm

  I could heaps of shit abt Ps3 or 360 but in the end all the knowledge is superficial to average gamers argue about cores and spe. The only way to get correct approximation is by looking at the games well DMC4 was said to be not possible on 360 but its comin. Gears was said impossible on PS3 but UT3 is coming on PS3 and there is a 360 version coming too. MGs4 is said impossible on 360 but Kojima San himself said its possible but they are just not making it. Well Killzone 2 is said to be impossible on 360 whereas Alan wake is said to be impossible on PS3. Although both game look less than crysis running on full settings.

• 36 RJC // Nov 3, 2007 at 8:06 pm

  also ps3 is that powerful ti can do folding at home.

  215 gigflops v 115 for 360 ps3 wins.

  oh did you 360 fanboys here the truth about halo 3 ya xbox 3shitty can’t handle it properly.

  Thats the truth.

  I have a wii as well but it’s not as good as my ps3.

  Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii are the present.

  PLAYSTATION 3 THE FUTURE.

  RJCMANUTD 94 PS3 ID ADD ME PEOPLE

• 37 Grover // Nov 3, 2007 at 8:11 pm

  My god. This writer IS NOT a developer. He hasnt written a line of PS3 code, and you lot beleive his ramble? WTF is going on with everyone these days? Jason Booth - another example, writes some ‘technical’ article that is quite completely false, and everyone thinks some technical person wrote it - HES A DAMN ARTIST FOR GODS SAKE!! NEVER WROTE A LINE OF PS3 CODE IN HIS LIFE!!!

  So, for all those that believe in these false prophets, I say “stop being idiots”. This stuff is pure flame feeding fanboy BS. You want some _real_ numbers on the Cell VS say a dual core Mac? Here try this:
  http://www.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/05CB9A9C5794A5A8872570AB005C801F
  The TRE engine is a very early test of the Cell, and performs over 3x better computationally than a dual core G5 Mac. So much for your “Cell isnt really so great” rant.. and you can effectively equate the X360 to the tested G5 CPU.

  Additionally you have ‘computational’ work being done specifically on the Cell in a number of different places. Google if its not too hard people… And to top it off, this writer is plain WRONG in terms of the SPU’s. They are ENTIRELY independant cores, with their OWN local storage, making the writer look like a complete fool. THe SPU’s can do ANY computational work, they have a RISC set of commands, but so do many chipsets these days (ARM in NDS, CPU in the Wii, CPU’s in Apples XSERVE, IBM’s POWER servers.. even Intels new CPU’s are all RISC based designs), so please quit with the “all they can do..” bs..

  Anyone who has spent time working on the SPU’s and writing code for them has found one very common problem - keeping them BUSY is the hardest task. This is NOTHING to do with memory, or bus, or any other excuse a developer might use. This is purely because they are not being used to their MAXIMUM potential. Thats it. Developers still have a long way to go to real the maximum perf levels in the Cell - 200 GFlops was shown in the TRE example, whereas the Xenon CPU in the X360 has only around 35-40 GFlops of REAL WORLD performance. This is why the CPU is simply not used too heavily on the X360 - ask the GTA folks about this problem, they will explain all the problems with having too little CPU performance available on the X360 (hence the delays).

  Finally something this writer is blindly unable to understand, is the future of CPU’s. And they are ALREADY here. THe multicore CPU is the future of ALL CPU’s. Whether you like it or not, the Cell is one big jump down the path to that. And guess what? MS and NIntendo ALREADY recognise that. Guess who have ALREADY signed up with IBM for developing their next machines CPU’s? Thats right, late last year IBM announced MS and Nintendo future consoles will be using CELL BASED CPU’s? How does that make you fanboys feel now? Heres a link for the ignorant ones:
  http://www.echannelline.com/usa/story.cfm?item=22546

  Stop harping on the Cell and PS3 you haters.. its just a damn box of electronics.. get over it.. they will all be Cell driven in a couple years time.

• 38 Codi // Nov 3, 2007 at 8:15 pm

  damn…bob got you guys pretty good

• 39 Kaz // Nov 3, 2007 at 8:32 pm

  You lack a lot of memory, too! hahaha….

  Kaz

• 40 Esse // Nov 3, 2007 at 8:51 pm

  I love these posts! BS3?! Wow! That takes the cake. It’s a great Blue Ray player because it lets you play games too as opposed to a great gaming system that lets you play Blue Ray movies. BOB! If you’re wife spent 10 hours cooking a dry turkey for Thanksgiving, how thankful can you really be? Shit, thanks for the effort but I’m still hungry. And to make it worst, my neighbor’s wife is a great cook and I can smell what she’s cooking. Bobby, when Kill Zone Deux and MGS4 comes out, you’re gonna be let down again. One thing I want you to do is to look up old clips of E3 from 2005 and compare them to what you’re gonna be getting. Ummkay!

• 41 trace // Nov 3, 2007 at 8:57 pm

  I honestly have to agree partly with smoothnOOdle in that this seems alil fanboyish but not completely because atleast it’s educated. I have all three consoles and am actually most excited about my ps3 due to the games that EVENTUALLY lol will come out for it. (UNCHARTED, Haze, MGS4,LBP, FF XIII, Rockband, ASSASSINS CREED, COD4, and Home (even tho the last one isnt actually a game and the three previous are multiplatform) ) while the 360 only has 1 future game that currently enterests me (Mass Effect (kinda doesnt seem like my type of game, we’ll see) ) cuz Halo3 and Bioshock are already out. Then again I’m kinda afraid that my 360 will eventually die on me cuz i have one of the originals (still hasnt bricked :-)) ) while i have upmost confidence in my PS3, leaving it on constantly to do Folding@Home when I’m not playing Rachet ToD or WarHawk. then there’s the we which does seem alil too gimicky to me (cuz i like to actually sit still while playing my video games) but is great for party’s and playing with friends even if i dont think it has the power to last a whole generation, especially with the 360 and ps3 around. BUT SETTING ALL THAT ASIDE it’s very difficult to compare the PS3 and 360 because they ARE such vastly different machines. first off the 360 HAS HAS HAS to fix the overheating problem, its completely unacceptible for a nearly 30% failure rate, or watever it is. i do agree that its wierd that they didnt include more general purpose memmory on the ps3 (it actually has the same amount except that it’s divided between the CPU and GPU which makes it like less) but it is marginally faster than the 360’s. it almost seems like it would make up for it but im not a programmer, i dont kno. plus, i really think this design could be the future of design, the engineers at AMD apparently agree and are already working on integrating CPU’s and GPU’s. but as with everything, there’s a large learning curve that comes with being on the cutting edge and introducing something completely revolutionary. i kno that the SPE’s arent like full CPU’s but i do agree that the cell is prolly more powerful than the 360’s tripple PPC proccessor, but maybe not to the extent that everyone is leading on, especially till they learn to make the most of it. i kno that the cell HAS to be harder to program for (trying to split anything up to 7 ways would be) but the problems with the games thus far prolly is that it takes a while for programmers to learn the system and how to optimise it. the 360’s year lead gave it a huge jump on this, i mean look at the games the 360 came out with at launch, also not impressive. i believe that with time the ps3 will be pushing the box on terms of games, graphics and processing power, take notice to midway’s recent announcement that future lead production will be on the ps3. as for the GPU, i kno the 360’s currently has better shaders but i do not kno about a better total GPU, ive heard the ps3’s is actually more powerful by the numbers. but i dont kno much about that and it really doesnt matter until u can actually see a difference. i deffenitely believe that sony did a great job including blu-ray because even if it doesnt work out as a movie format, they still have tons of room to work with on games. yes it has slower read times than a dvd but that can be easily overcome, and will be a key factor in future game productions. the 360 will just have to start having multidisk games because i seriously doubt they will opt to include an HD-DVD drive, thus abbandoning the adopters of previous generations with just DVD-ROM’s. the 360 does have an an awsome and currently far superior online service. but considering i pay absolutely nothing for PSN, im ok with that. im excited about home, less for the socializing thing than for the integration of everything, as for the online matchmaking and stuff, we’ll see how that improves. i still prefer the experience of LIVE for now. when i firt got my ps3, i was pretty dissapointed in it compared to my 360; it was far from my expectations. but as the updates just keep pouring in, im now enjoying it and actually preffering it to my 360’s user interface. dont get me wrong, there’s i have a fairly large list of complaints and wishful updates to my ps3 but it has now taken the lead. im starting to see many more games for it that im much more excited for than on the 360, developers are slowly starting to accept it, and it honestly is the most foreward looking console. i love having all my electronics if not incompassed into one object (such as my iPhone), then atleast having them integrated. i expect the 3rd generation of xbox much sooner than the ps4 and then it will truely start to get interesting. but here’s to looking to the future

• 42 trace // Nov 3, 2007 at 9:02 pm

  o yea, how the hell did i forget about Killzone 2? lol that’ll be another game im excited about

• 43 RJC // Nov 3, 2007 at 9:02 pm

  NO 136 SHADER OPS PER CYCLE FOR PS3 81 I THINK FOR 360 I KNOW PS3 AHS 136 AND WINS

• 44 Eamon // Nov 3, 2007 at 9:15 pm

  man, this is the reason why I can’t trust any article or posts anymore. Full of biased comments and fanboy noobs who can’t type properly without using capitals.

  Assassin’s Creed is a lot better than Uncharted. PERIOD

  Killzone 2 has groundbreaking extreme graphics but gameplay may flop. PERIOD (loads of games that concentrated more on visuals flopped in gameplay. Example: Lair)

  One day 360 will suffer due to lack of space on DVD-DL. PERIOD

  PS3 will never be as great as PS2. PERIOD (due to the high crazy price when it was first released made sure it will never have greater or the same success as the PS2)

  Can someone proffesional tell me whether a CPU with three cores is better or worse than a CPU with one core and 7 SPEs?

• 45 Tomas // Nov 3, 2007 at 9:15 pm

  This site is so fucking pathetic! If I had the time I would make a research and show all kind of crap they use to put in internet, it’s a complete joke!

• 46 sam // Nov 3, 2007 at 9:44 pm

  Hi all,

  I have both systems and I think up to now the 360 is better for games, but give the ps3 a chance time will tell. The ps3 offers so much more in terms of you can use it as a computer. I’ve just added yellow dog linux to my ps3 and it’s a very good operating system… I think people don’t understand the XDR Ram inside the ps3 3.2 ghz read up on it! ps3 ram
  256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz -CPU
  256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz-GPU

  xbox360
  512 MB GDDR3 RAM @ 700 MHz DDR (SHARED)
  Unified architecture

  What do you notice?
  ps3 256 mb ram CPU ram operates at 3.2 GHz.
  360’s 512mb shared ram operates at 700 MHz.

  -This is an example of how ps3 creates more with little. Clearly the ps3’s 256mb CPU Ram operates way faster than the xbox360
  .Even if 360’s Ram in unified.

  Ps3 CPU ram beats xbox360’s CPU ram. The better ram, the faster, and better performance. Ps3 will be faster, and have better performance than the 360.

  xbox360 shares its ram.
  This slows down 360’s CPU. Like intergrated G-cards do with Computers. Intergrated G-cards share the computers ram, i know i have one. This slows down my computer alote.

  Roger out for now!

  PS they are both great systems!

• 47 semimaru // Nov 3, 2007 at 10:09 pm

  ok im gonna add my 1 cent to this nonsence. the only reason you all attack the Cell is because you think sonys responsible for it. you attack blu ray because sonys behind it. toshiba never seems to be bad cuz they push hd dvd. ibm own the world of computers and their not bad because they also had a very important part in the making of the cell. same as toshiba. so all you haters/lovers, heres what you all need to do…go out and have a big orgasm and chill allright?

• 48 semimaru // Nov 3, 2007 at 10:11 pm

  attack blu ray if you want but keep in mind that panasonic has more patents on it than anyone of the blu ray camp…same with the cell and toshiba and ibm…so dont attack the cell just because your looking to attack the playstation 3. if you dont like it, i dont see a reason why you should talk that much about it all the time.

• 49 imaballa // Nov 3, 2007 at 10:16 pm

  Eamon,

  I disagree Assassin’s Creed is better than Uncharted, Uncharted is technologically superior in the graphics department.

  Killzone 2 has the best graphics but also uses great combat system like “peek and shoot” Gears of War style. Any game could have crappy gameplay, Assassin’s Creed could, Mass Effect could, no-one knows until you play it.

  360 is suffering from lack of disk space as we speak. Project Gotham 4 suffered content cut out, UT3 will have less content on 360.

  Your argument about PS3 not being as great as PS2 because of price is wrong. PS2 which came out 7 years ago was priced at $299, 7 years later PS3 being priced at $399 is comparable if you consider inflation, rise in cost of living, people making more money. That’s one of the reason people get raises every year.

  Yea, a CPU with 7 cores is better than a CPU with 3 cores, because it has more cores.
  More cores = more simultaneous processing; translating into higher FLOP (Floating Operation Points) meaning the Cell can do a crap load of operations at once. Being able to do more in less time is always a good thing.

• 50 stud.Exe // Nov 3, 2007 at 10:27 pm

  i could care less for the technical specs of the hardware as long as it performs what it’s supposed to; hence, the games made for the specific hardware should look, play, and run the way it’s supposed to based on the hardware it’s made for. since i’m not a hardcore gamer anymore, after the neo-geo system, i only played or will play games that still play, look, feel, and run like a true gamer’s game. i never bought any other systems after the neo-geo coz most of the games made after it just plain blows chunk..yes every1 of them until ms’s xbox system came out. lack of games on the xbox didn’t bother me nor did i care coz some of the games i found on it were games that meets my category as legit games. it’s also a lot more fun modding the xbox than the other crap consoles out, making the xbox from an ok system to a badarse must have system for me and the other consoles from crap to just plain sh.t.
  i’m staying true to the ms xbox console and own more than 4 elites, the beta 360 i tested, 2 premiums i modded just for the hell of it coz ms consoles are just godsends for real modders and because i like having lan parties w/the buddies(mostly chix coz they’re f… buddies who just happens to love playing video games to boot).
  i’ve got hardcore buddies who own both 360 and the other sh.t console wannabes(yes all consoles-they are hardcore gamers afterall; and seen all the games for all consoles.) the much hyped games on the psh.t3 such as heavenly sword, rachet…, still look, feel, and run like sh.t. both these games’ gfx is only overexaggerated by the system’s loser fanturds and nothing more. bioshock’s gfx still loox better and certainly halo3 has the best hdr lighting of all the games out on any consoles still. i don’t even want to mention the gameplay anymore coz bioshox and halo3’s gameplay is much superior to any of the psh.t3’s games out rite now . killzone tried to match or be better halo and look where it got them lol-nowhere. hell, kz2’s and even kz3’s gameplay won’t even match halo: combat evolve’s gameplay. gt5’s gfx mite slightly look better than forza’s but it fails on everything else–why do ye think they focused on it’s gfx more than anything else? resistance is another crap game. it’s just like kz with more crap weap, terrible char designs, same crap gfx, and with more number of players that do not enhance gameplay at all. just more addition of crap. mgs is yet another game that tries too hard to be a good game yet fails in everything. the gfx is the typical crap gfx with hazy/dusty looking environmental effects, gameplay is unequivocally stupid(why the hell would i want to go in a drum then roll the drum w/c would make lots of noise & easily rouse the enemies rather than just going in the drum and stay there to hide then go bck out when it’s safe), the nanotech element is banal, the characters are utterly unappealing and most look like homos –just like it’s fanturds. its implementation of stealth is not as accurate as splinter cell at all. oh well, i never did care for any games that have terrible execution and i found most of those games on the psh.t3’s console.
  no wonder its fanturds wanna try to convince true gamers that the psh.t3 should be given a try. haha
  if anything tho, i mite just buy a sony tv sometime..maybe the 50″ o.l.e.d tv if it won’t blow chunks like it’s consoles.

• 51 Reece // Nov 3, 2007 at 11:01 pm

  Sounds like another xbox fanboy in denial to me, they’re finally starting to realise that PS3 is going to start outselling xbox 360.

  Oh no, what will you do!? Why not just stop talking facts and see what the games are like and please people remember, there is no reason to be committed to one console, theres no reason for war. Some people like xbox 360, some people like PS3, some like both, some hate both, who cares!!?

• 52 IsThis4Real? // Nov 3, 2007 at 11:28 pm

  Hey all!!!

  Wow! I honestly didnt mean to bring up so much hate !!

  I wasnt “hating” the PS3 at all. Take some chill pills with your caffine pills - or whatever you guys pop, coz clearly its something.

  What I wrote simply wasnt intended to be an article, but just a fly by night comment. And then everyone starts getting so angry, dropping names of upcomming games, this is better than that, xbot etc etc.!!

  Dont fret guys so much guys!! I dont want to come across as arrogant, or even ignorant for that matter !! I was simply stating my views in the current climate!!! And to start bashing me over simple things such as “cant even spell blu ray”, please, gimme a break !!! I may as well call it Pink-Fountain dis”k”.

  No, fellows, Im not loyal to any particular brand. No Im not gonna say I own all the consoles - I dont think I will ever buy a Wii.

  Yes, unfortunately I am a developer.

  Yes, unfortunately I am a “coder”.

  Yes, I am unfortunately an “artist” as well.

  Ofcourse, because I am not aligned to any mainstream major label production house does not in any way dis-entitle me to my honest opinion. And if you do read closely, I was actually NOT bashing the PS3 at all. Read carefully. See how I finished the “article”.

  Now, I will state it again. The CELL cpu is NOT the be all end all of CPUs. What I was trying to say, and must have failed miserably, is the fact that it does not pose any such problems to developers at all, in such of its native coding, and the “dlls” and such just need a little bit more of an understanding on implementation. To those that know, its called - unrolling. And because of the way the market is, devs simply havent had the time to do this.

  The fact that, and this was stated as a retort to me, that the SPes etc do a lot of the graphics processing in themselves. This is infact, NOT an advantage, but a serious DISadvatage.

  And no - SPEs are NOT cores in their own right. Think of them as complimentary buffers, if that makes it any easier for you.

  I was trying to stress to you people the sheer ammount of work that needs to be done by the CPU/SPEs before even a pixel gets thrown on screen. And the way it is done, NOW, as it stands, is not the most efficent way of doing things. That is why devs have “flocked” to the 360. Its a comfortable environment to work with, and anyone who has dabbled in the very basic XNA will agree with me. And also the fact that it was first to market might have a “small” reasoning behind it.

  Its no secret. Sony were talking about letting the CELL do everything in the first place, but the way it worked out in the end, it simply wasnt possible, so they enlisted NVIDIA at pretty much the last moment. But Im not bagging NVIDIA, or doing an ATI vs kind of thing. Never meant to.

  In actual fact guys, I think the PS3 came out TOO early. They could have milked the ps2 for a good number of years more. Then, it would have been a complete monster of a machine.

  You must have noticed, that I made NO mention of online functionality. None whatsoever. Many of you simply missed the point. I was talking about the actual means of how the silly game consoles throw out your pretty little pictures.

  And just before some genuine “fanyboys” ( I HATE that term, but its there) start ramming Folding down my throat, just a word here - the whole folding project is not infact designed for one off high-end computational work.

  It is designed to be processed in very small ammounts, over a very long duration, with the idea being that thousands, if not millions of CPUs dedicate a small portion of their processing power to all work together to get the end result. For you tight asses out there, think of Torrents. Its the same principle. Seeding and feeding. Until everyone gets what they want. In theory, I could hook up my old Macintosh 512k, and that would be doing as much work on Folding as your PS3.

  I was hoping not to get, or bring in these silly comments on the lines of “do some research… then we will talk…” blah blah blah.

  Ive been researching and working with CPUs and GPUs for the last 15 years. Sadly, it is in fact my life. I dont need to justify myself.

  I dont need to do any chest thumping and doing quick google searches to provide links for you.
  Im not about “my specs are better than yours”. Never have been. Never will be. And I despise marketing in the guise of specs. I could show you links to pages going on about CELL yeilding being a flop, but whats the point? None. Its an empty argument, for the sake of fighting, which Im not about at all.

  If I had a fancy blog, and wasnt sacked by my employer, or didnt sign an NDA, then I guess I would be ranting on about which is better than which, but as it stands, Im not a disgruntled employee. Im very happy where I am right now. I respect NDAs. Even after closure.

  I should have stipulated that the PS3 has less ACCESSABLE memory than the 360. It does. Dont bother bagging me again. Please. And I will clearly state again, that THIS is the problem that devs are having now - because they are trying to put the same product on two competing consoles at more or less the same time. That is why, bar exclusives, the PS3 version comes out just a little bit later. And, unfortunatley, does in fact suffer just a little bit in terms of side by side comparisons. Namely framerate issues.

  It has NOTHING to do with the CELL. There is NO problem with the CELL. It is simply just putting in those extra yards to work in the memory managment area, so that both products will more or less be the same. It will take a very long time for any single developer to honestly code up a game for the PS3 from scratch, hopefully not to the point of being considered NEV. ( Not Economically Viable). Thats the term that gets thrusted our way whenever we want to recieve funding for going off the well beaten track.

  And I will stand by my comments I made earlier. As it stands now, I beleive that the two biggest concerns right now, for both systems are

  1)Memory structure on the PS3.
  2)Physical Data storage on the XBOX 360.

  In the future, I also do believe that if devs are given some quality time, these issues will be 100 percent sorted, instead of being rushed to put a product on shelves. And MS simply should just “Fold” themselves in, a give us some form of larger data storage, be it HD-DVD or “Purple Laser” - or whatever.

  This whole next gen rubbish has not yet been fully embraced by either side.

  And I think that what an awful lot of people simply dont understand is that it is going to take a long, long time for any one house to put out a product that can come anywhere near starting to seriously push these machines to their “true” potential. Thats BOTH machines, not any one in particular.

  In the future, the PS3 may very well be the most dominant thing out there. Im not arguing over this. Its simply not an issue. Really.

  And I do state again, that I honestly believe that the CELL supplied with the PS3 is still in its infancy. Both in how it is handled, and in terms of its evolutionary life span. I know Sony wanted the CELL out there asap, but you wont be seeing anything any more spectacluar than what the 360 can push out right now. Its going to take some serious time.

  Then, after time, you will all see for yourselves. Im not bagging your investment in the PS3 at all. And Im sure, in fact I KNOW, in the years to come, it will have been well worth your purchase. But in the immediate climate, you just have to grin and bear it. Thats all Im saying.

  This really should start to be the time where the “less is more” idea comes into play. Less games out there - but each of a high quality. But Im sorry, the marketing models supplied by BOTH companies simply doesnt allow us that freedom. And as such, well, you get what whats out there now. A few really good games for both, but buffered with some total crap.

  Both these issues will be the current problems for these two systems in the short terms ahead. Please try and get in touch with someone who has not signed an NDA, is not a disgruntled employee, is not a Fan of anything, or is not systematically aligned with anyone.Its hard work to find one, but they are out there. They will honestly concur with my ideas. There is no need for random abuse, as you will have noticed I have failed to engage in.

  In time, and if I am permitted to do so, I would most love to enage and share with you my many trials and tribualtions in this area. But as it stands, I cant do so now, so Im sorry if there is anyone who wants a serious, honest, and intelligent discussion with me, or any one, on this subject. And im sorry that I cant “back myself up”.

  Just dont be so spiteful with your comments in the future, there is no need for it. It reveals more about you than the “cause” you are “defending”, so do be careful, other wise, you will look the fool, and Im sure that you dont want any of that.

  I stand by my honesty and integrity after being nearly 20 years in the “industry”.

  Please, with all sincerity, take it EASY, guys. relax, and enjoy what you do. I know I do.

• 53 Tomas // Nov 3, 2007 at 11:32 pm

  “The faster you think more things you can think about, and that, makes you smarter!”

• 54 IsThis4Real? // Nov 4, 2007 at 12:19 am

  Ummm….

  Just going over my initial comment/article.

  It , at a glance, did appear to be a pro 360 one.
  My wording was lazy and did not have alot of class.

  Sorry for essentially egging you all on. It was never intentional. But, by the same regards, it brought alot of little nasties out, didnt it ??

  Well - hope it was all good for a laugh for you.
  Im completey bi-partisan - honest.

  Later.

• 55 OMEN // Nov 4, 2007 at 12:34 am

  prossesing power on the ps3 is better so ,who cares if it doesn’t have a little of more ram.
  u guys a idiots thinking that ramm is all that.
  if u got more prssesing power than u dont have to put more ram on your PC,just like that.

• 56 OMEN // Nov 4, 2007 at 12:36 am

  so ps3 thinks much faster,i mean the ps3 in in the world records!

• 57 MK // Nov 4, 2007 at 1:04 am

  @ Isthis4real?

  I didn’t pretended to insult you, but the “article” screamed X360 fanboy and Product Reviews is famous by that and bad press.

  I’m writing in my PSP and I wont say much more, but I’m glad you came to describe what you really meant in the first place.

  And yes, I know my English sucks, I’m portuguese and only had 2 years of “english” in school.

  Tchau.

• 58 Mero // Nov 4, 2007 at 1:07 am

  He is really a 360 fanboy, or just a person who is making the same mistake that he just explained, not waiting for games to show the potential of the PS3.

  For me, I wont buy a 360 not even if it was the the only game console in the market. I hate everything MS do and does.

  All they think about is making money from pure crap things. They dont care about quality, customer service or any god damn thing that they may cause.

  The main reason behind the Xbox frnachise is that: Sony was taking away a little part of the profits from MS, because gamers were buying PS2 rather than window software. So greedy MS decided to launch a console just to push PS2 out of the market and persuade people to play on the PC again. Thats why you find most Xbox and 360 games are on PC as well, even Halo.

  I hate how they lost all these years and dumped money just so they can increase their god damn share prices. Rather than spending it on a good cause like charities, look at Sony at least they inculde Folding @Home to give back to the comunity. I wish their cash would burn so they can see how it feels for those people who do not have cash to throw away. Billions of dollars in losses and they still insist on continuing and dont be fooled they are still making looses. Annual reports may contain faulse numbers trust me I’m an accountant.

  ttyl

• 59 WhatItTakes // Nov 4, 2007 at 1:17 am

  I am not an expert in memory but I know that you can use the hard disk as a cache. Its like having virtual memory. Basically that most of the expert dev, EXPER dev, do. They overcome any problems with simple techniques why because they are EXPERT they dont sit on their assess and want the console to do everything. Look at Ratchet and Clack its an awesome looking game running at 60FPS HD I think its 720p or something, and it never even flick a bit. Why EXPERT dev made it. they now how to utilise every single bit for their advantage, they didn’t compalin about memory, memory for them is just right. They utilise CPU power for GPU extra over the edge push. The oucome EXPERT game.

  simple, gorgeous and outstanding.

  you just need the right dev. got the drift IsThis4Real?

  ttyl

• 60 MK // Nov 4, 2007 at 1:23 am

  I don’t apreciate Microsoft too, but I admit Gattes is one of the greatest genious of our time and he is helping many many people with his fundation, I respect him a lot. Unfortunatelly the company still uses dirty games to compete with their “rivals”, what they did in the PS3 european is just a sad example of what they can do. I do really hope that changes…

• 61 Rudeboy007 // Nov 4, 2007 at 1:41 am

  Grover.
  Your link to the site didn’t backup what you said about M$ and Nentindo using cell in their next console. I just stated that IBM made processors for all 3 current consoles. Next thing is: what makes you guys qualify to discredit the original poster?

• 62 Manuel Ribeiro // Nov 4, 2007 at 1:49 am

  Wow, sorry but you have no idea what your talking about.

  First, they have the exact same amount of memory, them being split isn’t a bad thing, and the only difference is the memory used by the OS, which FYI has been reduced several times through firmware updates. Fillrate also doesn’t mean anything, the PS2 had more fillrate then the Xbox 1 for example, yet we all know which console was best.

• 63 Rudeboy007 // Nov 4, 2007 at 1:56 am

  Mero,
  you sure do hate a lot. But sony does no try to make money and is always thinking of the customer first. Right?

• 64 smoothn00dle // Nov 4, 2007 at 2:01 am

  IsThis4Real, how can this guy crap out so much words. Coder, Developer, whatever?

  Insomniac just give a middle finger to all Xbox360 game developers out there. The challenge is on! 720p, hundred of moving objects, dozen of enemies, big open world and Pixar level texture at 60fs. Can 360 do it? 2008 will be an interesting year.

• 65 trace // Nov 4, 2007 at 2:03 am

  yea there’s no way u can state that u’re not an xbox fanboy, your argument was WAY WAY too one sided.

  “Because, as it stands, the PS3 only has the storage space over the 360. Its not anymore “advanced” at all, and in many ways, slightly less.

  mine might also have been pretty one sided but not as much as urs and its mostly because the ps3 wins on most areas of competition.

  another thing with Folding@Home, not that it’s much of an argument when it comes to a GAMING console, but in a power stance it certainly is a testament to the cell’s power. Stanford recently stated that altho only 12% of folding’s active community was PS3’s, over 70% of its proccessing was attributed to the PS3 and that the petaflop mark would have never been realized without it.

  and in ur innitial post, u stated that it was not the developers fault for framerate issues and such but in the second u stated that it was. everyone knows that its not soo much for being lazy but for developement cost issues, but can be considered almost the same thing.

  true, neither system has reached its true potential yet but that doesn’t mean that the 360 isn’t much closer to being tapped out yet. and even if the “limit” is reached, theres always gonna be someone that manages to optimize their code well enough to sqeeze alil bit more out. when u consider this, a consold has almost never reached it’s full potential. im sure if we hadn’t come out with new hardware, someone would eventually find a way to make stuff look and run better. (prolly not in HD but still)

  but beside’s that, if u were to say that the limiting factors on consols were:
  “1)Memory structure on the PS3.
  2)Physical Data storage on the XBOX 360.”
  then u prolly wouldnt have caused the the uproar u did.

• 66 Manuel Ribeiro // Nov 4, 2007 at 2:08 am

  Btw, from what Dev team are you working for to have access to a 360 or PS3 Dev Kit?

• 67 steve // Nov 4, 2007 at 2:13 am

  i will agree i think this thread is a waste of time started by someone that wanted to make xb look better than ps3. But i think it all boils down to developers need to learn how to work the ps3’s arcitecture and it will shine better than the supposed hype that its not living up to yet.

• 68 IsThis4Real? // Nov 4, 2007 at 2:16 am

  Dude, couldnt you read between the lines? I AM a fanboy and i said all that so you would buy my favorite console. Period. Enough bickering and nonsence. If not, then dont play video games. Period!

• 69 kaspario // Nov 4, 2007 at 2:17 am

  It’s strange how I’ve heard similar reports from a different source working a Ubisoft. But not too many developers are willing to openly share their experience with the ps3 because they just risk their job. No publisher or gaming studio will support any criticism from one of its dev member on a console. Apart from the memory structure, the other thing the guy had to say was that the cell had an awful lot of power for certain types of operations. Unfortunately, those operations were just seldom used in most games… But of course, the sony fanboys, all too present here, will just reply that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about… Of course, they always know much more than someone working in the gaming industry… they buy the thing and read websites… the kind of knowledge to blast everyone…

• 70 Robert // Nov 4, 2007 at 2:56 am

  Well I ove my 360 its a great piece of kit and I aint a fanboy of either console I love games for what they are regardless of what console they are on, but I have had my 360 just over a year and a half now and I am selling it for a ps3 basically because I am on my fourth console…. in a year and a half!!! to me that is completely unacceptable, I am sick of it breaking/scratching my discs.

  I will miss my poor 360 but cant wait for my ps3 n I dont care if it supposedly cant handle as much graphics as 360 (bullshit) I just want reliability

• 71 joe // Nov 4, 2007 at 3:16 am

  why is it when ever i read reviews they alwayz state that the 360 version of a game is better then the PS3, given they come out at the same time.
  Every ones talking about this chip better then this and and the PS3 has 350,000 giga bits per sec, MUGLIVEN. who gives a SH.. all that should matter is the end resoult. what u see on the screen, how smooth it is and how good it looks. For now 360 definitely has the advantage. (last review i read pro evo 3 but theres a heap more)
  But the main thing the 360 has over the SS3 is the games. man it has so many ps3 dose like bio shock halo3 (da), mass effect, toohumen, fable and the little ones like Naruto rise of a ninja, and dead rising.
  Any PS games xbox wanted it has manged to get like GTA and Devil may cry and i soon i think MGS4 f*** sum of u ps guys are going to be pissed when that happins.

  yeah im a 360 fanboy just thought id leave a comment since the rest of then must be bizy on there box. unlike the PS ones who have come out in force (gee u guys must have some free time on your hands).

• 72 IsThis4Real? // Nov 4, 2007 at 3:20 am

  To all you happy fellows

  //Mero

  //He is really a 360 fanboy, or just a person who is
  //making the same mistake that he just explained, //not waiting for games to show the potential of the
  //PS3.

  Incorrect. I guess I simply am useless at explaining my self with the written word. Sorry. My first post was useless. I’ll admit to that. But Im not on about the PS3 alone, I must say. The little 360 hasnt been “pushed” yet. But do not miss-interpret what Im saying as being “the 360 has it all over the Ps3″, because, in a year or two, you WILL see quite the opposite. If you dont want to buy a 360, more power to you, buddy. It certainly doesnt effect me? Effect Anyone else? Thought not.

  You too, seem to be a little onesided. Sony is not mr nice guy. They may make nice products, but that doesnt make what they do ok. Dont follow anyone blindly, Sony, Apple, IBM, Microsoft - whoever. This is what I was on about before. Becareful what you say. I wasnt in my first post, and wow, look what it did to you all !!!

  //Trace
  //and in ur innitial post, u stated that it was //not the developers fault for framerate issues //and such but in the second u stated that it was. //everyone knows that its not soo much for being //lazy but for developement cost issues, but can //be considered almost the same thing.

  Its not the developers fault any more than it is the financer and or publisher to get their product out to you. I place the fault on no one individual at all. As I said, or implied, you must let time pass before you get your gobbed smack by some real innovation. And be that as it may, the original dev platforms for the PS3 are/were very cumbersome. When they start to become refined, then you will see a marked difference.

  I Will state to you now, that the way the software initiative is done for development of the PS3, is to say, well, its lacking. There are some houses that have seen this short comming, and are quite clearly working towards better solutions.

  And look, I respect Stanford. I really do. But what Sony entered into with Stanford was not out of Philanthrapy. It was a viable, commercial contract. Dont forget that.

  //but beside’s that, if u were to say that the //limiting factors on consols were:
  //“1)Memory structure on the PS3.
  //2)Physical Data storage on the XBOX 360.”
  //then u prolly wouldnt have caused the the uproar //u did.

  An uproar? I think not ! It just attracted a lot of nasty people who have a lot of insecurites in themselves. No self confidence. So they resort to spats. Thats their issue. Not mine. An uproar in someones lunch time, perhaps

  And Ill do so again. . Not consoles per se, just these two. And as stated, I have every confidence that these issues will be rectified soon enough. But you see, to me, Trace, you seem to be a pretty cool person, and have aleast some understanding about where Im “trying” to come from. Because you did pick out some valid points with me, rather than just take the immature approach and do nothing but cuss.

  Now Ill admit, my first EVER post here was a stinker. Hey, even Im allowed to get bored and stir some shit, as they say. But if you want to get serious, or have a serious discussion with me, then I do fear that this place is not the forum that will allow any coherent interactions between interested people. But its always possible.

  So I have time for you, Trace. I hope you see that.

  But what I am on about is games. As they stand now. Like RIGHT now. How they are actually developed, processed, pushed out etc.

  Not taking into account PCs, which will always be the holy grail for high end gaming. Just these two babies.360 and PS3. And having spent the last three years straight, doing nothing but looking and working on these two similar ( but different) machines, and having to digest all the absolute rubbish that is put out to the internet by the big end of town, and randoms such as myself, well, it does just get a bit too much to swallow sometimes. So, every now and then, we spurt some shit out. And watch the flames ignite!!

  But its all good. Its all true. Just learn to chill a little.

  //smoothn00dle

  //IsThis4Real, how can this guy crap out so much //words. Coder, Developer, whatever?

  //Insomniac just give a middle finger to all //Xbox360 game developers out there. The challenge //is on! 720p, hundred of moving objects, dozen of //enemies, big open world and Pixar level texture //at 60fs. Can 360 do it? 2008 will be an //interesting year.

  You better be careful what you say, buddy. Looking at yer so called page reveals quite a twisted little character - unless that is a “virtual” personality. You infact, do seem to be quite the avid little fan person now, dont we?? Good for you!.

  Or do you base all your “free” time collecting random bits of useless, to show that you have , dahh.. ‘cred.
  Dunno man, you are so not into the scene it just befuddles me how you can be such a nasty sort.
  Again, people like you, too angry to realise. Im not on about “can 360 do this/ PS3 better rubbish”.

  And a little secret note, so you can put it on your “news” page. Insomniac are in a league all of their own. Do you know the ammount of resources that have been thrown at them? Obviously not, because you dont work in the biz. In any way. Other than playing a few games. Otherwise you wouldnt be such a nasty sort.

  Dont believe the hype. Independant video game developer they are MOST certainly NOT.

  And you wanna talk royalties?? Dont even get me started. Intellectual property goes out the ten story building and into the dumpster on the street if you sign like they did. The rest of us, well, we are just as pissed of as the next guy, I guess

  Be seeing you soon, you angry so and sos

  If anyone wants to “chat”, just plop back here. Its my two days off this month. Not that I will probably get to “use” them though.
  Ring a bell to anyone out there??? either that, or Ill just go use my other “character” and go back and haunt Ars, or Joystiq, or yes, even Gamasutra.. Hmmm… giving you enough to work with yet, guys???

  Geezuz, Im so damn tired now, I cant go on. Ive been working for three days straight. And I mean straight. How many of you can say the same?

  Take care peoples.

• 73 Caid // Nov 4, 2007 at 3:24 am

  I see a couple of wise people here, and a lot of people who are fighting the PR battles for companies who couldn’t care less about them. Good for you. Who gives a damn, fact is, you all only know what other people tell you, till you rip your ps3 or 360 open and run diagnostics using the right tools, ALL you ever hear is just what you’re fed from the source.

  Get a life, quit fighting over stupid shit like this.

• 74 Rob M. // Nov 4, 2007 at 3:39 am

  You know I just wish these foolish fanboy arguments would just go away.Are they really convincing anyone of the superiority of their console or choice does anyone really care?

  For the average consumer I would concur they wouldn’t notice or care about these presumed advantages.There simply isn’t anything justifiable to say one console has a huge technical advantage over the other.

  If we look historically at the Video game or even say graphic cards for PCs,increases in performance are incremental.There isn’t any cases one can point to that are a huge revolutionary leap from one year to the next.This was proven to be true over the lifecycles of the PS2 and original Xbox.

  Both these systems are capable of beautiful and amazing games.The choice should be made on software library,game preferences,support and smaller factors such as extras,i.e.Online play,Blue Ray,hard drive.

  I think both of these systems are great choices for consumers and offer a lot of value for the dollar.I fully expect both to be very competitive and successful over their lifecycle.And that is a very good thing for us the gamers.:)

• 75 Shane // Nov 4, 2007 at 4:04 am

  The Xbox has at least 300+ playable games in English, then you can go to the Japanese games, which is at least another 30+ new games.

• 76 smoothn00dle // Nov 4, 2007 at 4:55 am

  @imaballa
  I can’t stress enough the role of XdrRam in PS3. It is Cellchip’s 256 megabyte L1 cache.

  Here is my memory map,
  1. Harddisc caches the data from blu-ray
  2. Harddisc loads the data into xdrRam
  3. XdrRam loads the data into Cell
  4. Cell loads the data back into XdrRam
  5. XdrRam load the data to RSX
  6. RSX display the data onto the screen
  7. Screen offload the data into our brain through our eyes.
  8. No ideas what happen next?!?!

  Does XdrRam load the data onto RSX’s GDDR3 ram first?

  How does the two different type of memories connect to each other. One is 3.2Ghz and the other is 700mhz. What about the latency issue?

  Do you think give GDDR3 256mb is just too much? I perfer 128mb GDDR3 ram and 384 Xdr ram?

  What is the issue with RSX and XdrRam?

  What is the bandwidth of our eyes?

• 77 ~~~~Jesus~~~~ // Nov 4, 2007 at 10:08 am

  Can’t all consoles learn to get along?

  I play games for fun. Sure a sewer in real life is realistic but it’s still a sewer, no matter how incredible graphics become if the game play sucks…It’s still just a sewer. Power? Power meh… Bring a slice of fun my way and it’s all good.

  Do I support one particular console?…. No

  They are all good, but nothing comes close to my sega master system. Check Mate

• 78 OhBoy // Nov 4, 2007 at 10:17 am

  @ IsThis4Real?

  Your “article” screams X360Faboy just to much, it’s hard, very hard to believe that you are bi-partisan, but if you really are and we understood things wrong, well better.

  But knowing Microsoft and their usual ways to fight against “competition” the doubt will allways remain. We can’t have sure if you are ou not just somene payed to create bad opinion about Sony and PS3, it’s not something that I’m not used to see from Microsoft so don’t get too excited.

  But the main point remains, Product Reviews put again “on air” something stupid and totally biased to Microsoft, the credibility is 0%, why? Well, because we don’t know who “IsThis4Real?” is “for real”, even is nick name is strange don’t you think? I could also, and easily compose something similar but with a total different aproach and make of X360 the worst peace of hardware on Earth.

  As a reader all I ask is some common sence to Product Reviews, there are too many “pro-microsoft” articles to ignore, and to many “sony-hate” to ignore.

• 79 dd // Nov 4, 2007 at 10:26 am

  Yet another stup*de fight between fanboys…
  Yeah yeah, your 360 is awesome, it can even fry. yeah yeah your ps3 is awesome, if only you had games to play.

• 80 Mak // Nov 4, 2007 at 11:50 am

  ” but its lack of main memory, lack of video memory, and very slow load data-read speeds, and much slower bus speed, all in comparisson to the Xbox 360.”

  Is this guy a total retard of what?

  The PS3 and 360 both have 512MB of RAM (PS3 has 256XDR, 256GDDR3, 360 has 512MB GDDR3), and the XDR RAM in the PS3 is significantly faster than the GDDR3 in the 360 (by a factor of 4).

  There is only 1 scenario where the PS3 has slow reads, and that’s when the Cell reads data from the GPU (or the other way round, I forget), and that is something only really used for game debugging, according to developers.

  This article is nothing more than a total uninformed rant from an Xbox360 owner, who has no idea what is actually in the PS3.

• 81 John // Nov 4, 2007 at 11:51 am

  I think that the 360 is holding the ps3 back as developers are making games run identical on both platforms.

• 82 Antiriad // Nov 4, 2007 at 1:25 pm

  The XBox 360, like the Atari ST had inferior hardware but had the advantage of coming out first.

  The PS3, like the Amiga had superior hardware but had to play catch up for 2 years due to its higher price.

  In the end, when the Amiga became affordable it trounced the ST. History repeats itself.

• 83 Jagosix // Nov 4, 2007 at 1:57 pm

  I’ve been reading all the posts & I agree with IsThis4Real. The X360 is way more user friendly to program for (It’s made by M$ Duh), So the learning curve is really short. The PS3 is a totally different way from conventional programming, which means very difficult & takes longer.

  When it comes to dev. kits M$ has the advantage over Sony. We’re talking about the LARGEST SOFTWARE company in the WORLD. I doubt that Sony would even come close to a better Dev. kit than M$.
  Regardless of all that, it still comes down to the games. Now in that regard, MicroSoft’s X360 Dominates in that area. They (M$)currently have the largest library of games. Sony has a lot of catching up to do & it’ll take a lot more than exclusives to do it.
  I don’t want to get into a fan war or anything but, If you were a developer/programmer, what system would you program for? One that’s very user friendly (heck you could use your PC to make X360 games with little effort.. XNA folks). The PS3 on the other hand is beast to program for, there’s no easy transition from PC to PS3 (programming), it’s learning curve is way longer than the X360, & the resources used to make the games are more expensive than the X360. In other words if you made the same game for the X360 & PS3, it’ll cost you a lot less to make the X360 version of the SAME game.
  That’s why a lot of smaller are making games for the X360. It makes better business since to develop a game for the X360. The larger installed base does help, not to mention the huge amount of online members. With DLC (Down loadable Content), you’ll make more money on the X360 side than the PS3. It’s just makes more business sense. That’s a fact.

• 84 toni // Nov 4, 2007 at 2:48 pm

  reliable source? the article lacks qualifiers, with insufficient reasoning, technical merit or balance.

  do us all a favour and stop wasting our time. my 5yr old could reason more sense than this predictably incompetent article you’re attempting to preach as gospel.

• 85 christian // Nov 4, 2007 at 2:55 pm

  C’mon guys the PS3 is already a “next year” console. Everyone goddamn Ps3 fanboy allways says “wait for next year”, “future games”. Face it the systems utter crap, its this generations Saturn, with cool hardware, just a utter dog to program for. I’ve already convinced 3 friends to stick it to their PS3’s and go Xbox. THEY LOVE IT!! C’mon why did Sony fire Crazy Ken??? He designed the system didnt he??

  Cell means nothing, its just sweet term, i mean can you say “emotion engine”?? Bet you can boy! theres just too many posts like this and from very very respectable industry figureheads dissing the architecture of the Ps3 to write it off as folly. The system really is crap guys.

• 86 christian // Nov 4, 2007 at 3:02 pm

  oh and the reason the PS3 is so good at folding is because thats about the only thing you CAN do on it? I mean where’s the GAMES!! I PLAY GAMES! You all moan and thow figures about how god-like your console is, yet it cant play games! I mean is it a Games console or is a research tool. Ok maybe you bought it just to do Folding at home?? I mean Fuck the Games right? If it says Sony I’ll buy!!

  The console race is barely 2 years old and Sony is REALLY. REALLY. REALLY a DISTAND THIRD

• 87 scotty // Nov 4, 2007 at 3:32 pm

  this isn’t the first time i read this,i’ve read it in magazines,and other web sites,hell i’ve even posted one from game pro.com,and they have a person that’s a professional,and they have one for each systems they call themselfs the sony,xbox,and nintendo experts you wright to the person who goes under the system you like and ask him a question and he said almost the same thing and here it is.

  Could you tell me if the quality of the graphics vary much between the forthcoming PS3 and the Xbox 360?

  MrMarbles
  A

  OK, so apparently this is all anyone cares about, so I’ll readdress the issue.

  I answered the same question a couple months ago, so here’s the breakdown:

  Sony claims that the PS3 and its Cell processor are way ahead of the Xbox 360 in technology, but the truth of the matter is that both consoles are quite comparable in terms of raw power. The multi-core Cell processor is clocked at 3.2 GHz. and the Xbox 360’s Xenon has three cores and is also clocked at 3.2 GHz. Both consoles have a total of 512 MB of RAM, and Sony gets a little advantage with a 550 MHz GPU compared to the 500 MHz of the 360. And Sony also boasts that the PS3 can perform 1.8 TFLOPS (tera Floating Point Operations per Second), whereas the 360 can perform 1.0 TFLOPS, but, it actually evens out as the 360 has more memory bandwidth.

  It all sounds complicated, but really, the two consoles are very similar in pure power. But the biggest difference in graphics is in the output. The PS3 (the $600 model) has HDMI out for digital output in 1080p, and Blu-ray discs can potentially store more than 20 times more data than the Xbox 360 DVD drive. But, considering how many people actually own 1080p capable TV sets, most people will not get that extra bonus and, in actuality, only the HD enthusiasts will really be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

  That said, I have seen lots of gameplay from both consoles, and can say that graphics are rather similar. I would probably give Sony the slight nod judging by games like Heavenly Sword and Motor Storm, but Stranglehold and Gears looked damn good on 360. Tough call

  Since then, nothing has really changed. Aside from rumors of slight PS3 processor downgrades, both systems are very close in graphical capabilities.

  Though we have had a little hands-on time with a few PS3 games, and some editors here claim sharper textures on the PS3. But others have seen frame rate issues on the PS3 as well. I think it’s still early to knock or praise Sony either way, but we still hold fast to the belief that both consoles will be very similar in terms of graphics.

  Have a Sony question?

  and i posted this one and other ones to but every time i posted something like this all the sony fans start saying i don’t know what the hell i’m talking about and i’m a 360 fanboy but the truth is that the sony fans just doesn’t belive anything that’s printed bad about the ps3.when a professional say or wright things that sony fans don’t like they start saying that he’s a sony hater or 360 fan and they act like they know more then they do.just like the guy that said the ps3 have just as many games as the 360 is just lieing his a** off and he knows it but he just want admit that the ps3 isn’t what sony said it was going to be.

  the fact is that they are both damn good systems.the ps3 isn’t close to what sony promised us,they did the same thing when they were getting ready to release the ps2,they showed us a game and said it was actuallal game play and it didn’t look at all like they said it would and come to find out it was prerendered and sony is always doing this and the same thing mg4,i’ve read articles and even on g4,they seen the acutal game and they said it was some of the best graphics they seen but it wasn’t like the preview they showed.i like the 360 to but it’s true what he said,the 360 should’ve had a hd-dvd or br player in it.
  i’ll admit that something is good and not good but i want say that something is perfect when it’s not,hell the ps3 and 360 isn’t perfect and i want lie about something just to make it look good,like the guy that said the ps3 had just as many games as the 360 and even if you’re not a fan of the 360 you can’t say with a straight face that the ps3 has just as many games,every magazine and show admits that.
  my advice to every fanboy on both sides is to stop acting like kids fighting over their toy vidieo game system.i’ll admit that i play games some times but i’ll be damn if i’ll fight over a game system like a nerd.so all the people that makes an a** of themselfs fighting over a toy and acting like it’s perfect need to get a life and buy a game they like and get in a corner and play it because every one is tired of their sh*t and fighting.

• 88 LOL // Nov 4, 2007 at 3:38 pm

  “This whole next gen rubbish has not yet been fully embraced by either side.”

  http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23701.html

  Show me a Platformer on the 360 that looks better than this.

  LMAO good luck XD

• 89 Shane // Nov 4, 2007 at 4:13 pm

  They’re just video games, get up off your high horses and clam down.

  The PS3’s current failure is in that of Sony’s, liking the PS3 more wont get it more games, hating the 360 wont drop the fact that Microsoft could drop a new Xbox all together with everything the PS3 has in it and it’d sell better

• 90 Mak // Nov 4, 2007 at 5:17 pm

  “The PS3’s current failure…”

  Please, you realise in the last month, the PS3 is now outselling the 360, in some regions by a factor of 3x.

  The 40GB PS3 will likely do the same in the US, now the Halo3 effect has worn off.

• 91 Jimothy Edmund the Second // Nov 4, 2007 at 5:34 pm

  This article is the Truth. Jesus brought this information to me in a dream. We all know (except for the Jews) that Jesus doesn’t lie.

  Okay, I’m tossing all jokes aside…I’ve got a 360 and the PS3. I’m on my 3rd 360 because of the red-light issues…I watch movies on Blu-ray. I watch movies on HD-DVD. I play games on 360. A lot of them. Plain and simple, the 360 is more fun. I turn it on, hop into a chat with my friend, get in a decent game of NHL or Team Fortress 2 and play the night away. No lag. No slowdowns. No FPS issues. Whether you HATE Microsoft or not, the 360 is a functional and fun way to game. Sony fanboys…deal with it. People that have a 360 (11 million or so) love it! They buy games like crazy. Achievements are addictive. Xbox fanboys, deal with the fact that Sony people will continue to argue the power of their console to no end. You will not change each other. So…if you have a PS3…go play Motorstorm or Resistance…if you have a 360, go play whatever you want…there are a shitload of options.

• 92 MakSucksDick // Nov 4, 2007 at 6:12 pm

  PS3 = Dead.
  Gamer Over..
  Bye Bye…
  Thanks for trying Fony!

• 93 Esse // Nov 4, 2007 at 6:38 pm

  The differences between PS3 and Xbox 360 fans are intelligence and honesty. You PS3 fans come on and say you’re on your 4th 360. I have a 360 and I’ve never had it break on me. I don’t own any fan or other cooling accessory. It just sits on the TV stand. I’m a gamer. If I was to have it break on me, I would return it for another one. But there is no way in hell as a GAMER, let alone a consumer, I would go through 4 systems. That makes you an IDIOT!!! That’s like taking a girl back that cheats on you, 4 times!!! So stop lying. How can you feel good about your purchase if you have to resort to lying about the competing console. Ever since the 360 was released, it’s been getting better and better (E3 2005 included). I can’t say the same for PS3 or as they phrase it now, BS3. I won’t even get into the let downs, you owners are already aware of them. It’s an okay Blue Ray player and the Wii is an awesome system for kids and novices. It’s exactly what the industry needs to make gaming mainstream. I don’t want to associate with social retards and petty individuals so please Wii and 360 bring more balanced folks in the mix.

• 94 Joergen // Nov 4, 2007 at 6:42 pm

  “Well I’m actually Xbox does not have that much more games then the PS3, even with the year head start the xbox had, it only have about 282(give or take 5) titles that are out and about to be released, and sony ps3 have 243(give or take that are out or about to be released”

  Excuse me Mr fairytales there, but take ANY major retailer’s site that lists number of articles for each console, say Amazon.com: 350 games for 360 and 142 for PS3, thats not inclusive of the 100 arcade titles for XBLA or the 20ish for PSN.

  The amount of fanboyism and fact-rapi