Andrew Meyer Supports Ron Paul: Your Thoughts on Tasered Student?
You may have read recently of the unfortunate student, Andrew Mayer, who was tasered at a recent John Kerry event. Reports are claiming that the Florida student was a Ron Paul supporter, which is quite intriguing in that both have been stopped from broadcasting their opinions through the media in some way.
I feel as though people should be allowed to voice their opinions and support whomsoever they wish as long as it’s non-offensive.
As the student was being arrested, he yelled, “There are people that know I’m here. You can’t do things like that.”
“Oh my God. You’re giving me to the government. They’re giving me to the government. They’re giving me to the government.”
He then asked, “Can I get my camera back please?” That’s right. Andrew Meyer had a cameraman to film and upload his huge moment onto YouTube.
While reading through the myriad of comments about the incident many people across the web agree in saying that his speech was being hidden or “shut down” - “just like Ron Paul.”
Andrew Meyer and Ron Paul gain popularity successfully on the Internet from those that believe that America is deteriorating, especially with the healthcare crisis, economic crisis regarding mortgages and loans and also due to the falling dollar. Many believe that the elections are all a big hoax and that they’re fixed, with the media allegedly against them.
What do you think of Dr Paul and the tasered student? Are Ron Paul and Andrew Meyer similar in these respects?
Let’s hope the 71-year old congressman doesn’t get tasered any time soon.
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The guy sounds like a plant, talking all crazy. It smells of some lame second rate set-up, long before he even said he supported Ron Paul.
I think he should have screamed out while being dragged away “But what about Wantagate!” In any event the media is not covering that Kerry kinda thought it was funny because as the student was getting tasered he said it’s too bad he’s not up there to swear him in as president. Is that covered? No. Does the media cover Wantagate? No! Register Republican and vote for Ron Paul for President in 2008!!! Stop censorship and support an informative and free press and internet!
I feel a kindred spirit in both of these men. In the case of Ron Paul, I feel like he has tapped into some kind of superhero power to temper himself into a Zen-like master and communicate these intensely frustrating subjects to a largely uneducated American public (uneducated in the sense that mainstream radio listeners are uneducated about good underground music). Likewise I feel a kinship with Meyer because he was trying his best to expose the corruption that lies beneath the surface of American leadership (and WORLD leadership, for that matter) and was virtually assaulted for it.
There are those that say repeatedly, as if the mantra makes it more true, “not everything is a conspiracy”. I agree with this assessment, sure. But there are some things that clearly ARE being controlled through conspiring people, and they just happen to be among the biggest issues of all time, like the world Central Banking authorities that control the issuance of reserve currencies, who use that power to start large-scale, debt-generating wars that break down sovereign nations in what can only be described as a clear-cut movement toward World Government. All the while our mainstream media remains suspiciously silent and/or complicit. It’s no wonder since only a handful of corporations own the media of this country and they can be often found in the same backrooms with the CEOs of military industrial complex reps and high profile politicians from around the globe at annual Bilderberg meetings.
Something is rotten in Denmark and it takes a large amount of courage to stand up and be heard over the boos and jeers of lesser men. Of course, we all know what Gandhi said about being ridiculed. It’s only a matter of time before some of those on the “fringe” are recognized for what they always were - real patriots desperately trying to save their country’s future in the face of insurmountable obstacles. In short, for their efforts in championing Truth over complacency, they are modern day heroes of the highest order and I commend them!
These people need to understand that when you’re on private property you don’t have the right to just speak beyond the allowed time by rules set up in the private establishment.
I was at my buddy’s house and the rule in his house is that you can’t talk during the football. My wife starts yapping away during the game so he told her to shut up. She didn’t, so he stood up and kicked the shit out of her.
That’ll certainly teach her.
I think Kerry should answer Mr. Meyer’s questions.
But wait, there’s MORE:
http://www.wndu.com/news/headlines/9814706.html
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fVbKlyApwFE&feature=PlayList&p=A9E233AE06B351C8&index=7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCSRXEAnxF4
More police brutality, more tasering, more violent government opposition!
Ron Paul isn’t the best choice for President, he’s our ONLY choice!
Vote Your Conscience - vote Ron Paul.
If Andrew Mayer was/is a Ron Paul supporter, what does that have to do with what happened? It’s not like Ron Paul was there telling him what to do. There is absolutely no connection and to imply that there was a connection is ridiculous.
Now regarding his actions, whether he was “paranoid”, “crazy”, or staging a stunt or anything like that, people still have their First Amendment right to freedom of speech. This was an event that invited people to a public university facility to participate. I watched the video of the event and this guy was very curteous as he was asking his question until the police started grabbing at him. Since when does an arbitrary time limit become a law. This guy committed no crime and the police should have never touched him. From the video I saw no signs of the guy making any move towards violence. He was getting excited as he was asking his last two questions but again, is it a crime to get a bit excited?
Now, about the tasering, that was a clear case of brutality. There were at least 5 officers on top of this guy and there was no reason for the painful tasering. What ever happened to a simple hog-tie?
All people who are talking about the deterioration of America gain popularity. That popularity just comes from different groups of people. Those who believe that the Muslims will come after us because of our freedom gravitate towards those people who believe that we will be killed if we don’t kill them first. It all comes down to what you believe. I believe in Freedom…and I believe in Peace…and I do believe that this country is slowly deteriorating towards a police state/dictatorship. If you believe in Freedom and Peace, you should consider aligning yourself with politician who have a track record of working towards protection of our Freedom and Peace.
RESPONSE to William D Berg:
No one is saying that freedom of speech means the freedom to speak anywhere at anytime or yell fire in a theatre, BUT this was a forum for Q&A for university students, which Andrew Meyer was, and despite the searing nature of his line of questioning, he was not being belligerent with anyone, he was merely asserting himself in the face of repeated interrruptions to his question. Your football analogy doesn’t hold water.
Furthermore, asking someone to shut up is different from grabbing them by the arms and forcibly dragging them away from a mic when they’ve been talking for a mere 90 seconds.
There are other websites like “Stop the ACLU” and Fox News that are reporting that Meyer ran to the mic and basically cut in line and launched into his speech. I have seen absolutely no evidence of this so far in any one of the videos posted on the net. On the contrary, considering the way his speech started out by thanking Kerry for being there and answering questions, I’d say this is a bold faced lie.
In all fairness, Kerry said “No, Let me answer his question” while the officers dragged the guy away. Tasering should be close to a last resort uwithout using a gun. What would they have done with the kid before tasers were used? How many officers do they need to subdue one kid? If you need 10 cops then, IMHO, you need better cops.
So what were Kerry’s answers Elizabeth? I mean in all fairness…what did Kerry say?
Well Jeanette, again, in all fairness to Kerry, it’s kind of hard to answer someone’s questions while they are screaming is going on by a bunch of bystanders, the kid the cops grabbed, and the cops themselves. If he did answer it after, which he may have it was not taped. Maybe you were there and can tell me? I do not know what happened afterwards. Please do NOT think me a Kerry fan. I have not liked any politician to date but to blame Kerry for the police’s actions is not right either. I have mixed feelings on what was done both by Andrew and by the police. What I can tell you is that I believe that this country is quickly becoming the “communist state” we were so against not too many years ago and will continue to be unless we make radical changes.
I think University of Florida is a public school!!
As a former security officer, I can say having been in situations similar to this that the police in this particular scenario handled the situation badly from the moment they laid their hands on the student. The police should have simply let the student finish so as to avoid any confrontation. If it appeared that he was not going to let Senator Kerry answer, then they should have told him that his time was up. The last thing any person in law (private or public) should do is lay a hand on another human because is escalates the situation. Tazering the student was entirely out of line and those officers should serve a week in jail for that.
John Kerry AND George Bush have both been asked about their Skull and Bones membership before on “Meet the Press” with Tim Russert, and they SKIRTED THE ISSUE!
John Kerry didn’t answer that question on any of the tapes I saw. He merely answer the first question about the ‘04 election by saying that they didn’t have enough evidence at the time to act.
Elizabeth, you seem like an intelligent gal. Don’t stop analyzing there. If you want to know how far the rabbit hole truly goes, you should hold John Kerry to account on this Skull and Bones thing. The fact that only 15 members are chosen every year for that organization, yet a disproportionate number of its members end up in high ranking position in government again and again should tell you something about the reality of the system.
“Left” and “Right” in politics these days is just a means to keep us all divided and conquered. Ask yourself what really changes when a different party is elected. The parties are only there to give us the ILLUSION of choice. By now, the elections are completely rigged and everyone knows it. But we’re like one of the party members from Orwell’s “1984″, we use cognitive dissonance or “double-think” to convince ourselves that this is not the case.
Google Video search for the following:
“Alex Jones: American Dictators”
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7143092292184582857&q=Alex+Jones+Skull+and+bones&total=413&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5
WATCH THAT MOVIE, Elizabeth!
John Kerry AND George Bush have both been asked about their Skull and Bones membership before on “Meet the Press” with Tim Russert, and they SKIRTED THE ISSUE!
John Kerry didn’t answer that question on any of the tapes I saw. He merely answer the first question about the ‘04 election by saying that they didn’t have enough evidence at the time to act.
Elizabeth, you seem like an intelligent gal. Don’t stop analyzing there. If you want to know how far the rabbit hole truly goes, you should hold John Kerry to account on this Skull and Bones thing. The fact that only 15 members are chosen every year for that organization, yet a disproportionate number of its members end up in high ranking position in government again and again should tell you something about the reality of the system.
“Left” and “Right” in politics these days is just a means to keep us all divided and conquered. Ask yourself what really changes when a different party is elected. The parties are only there to give us the ILLUSION of choice. By now, the elections are completely rigged and everyone knows it. But we’re like one of the party members from Orwell’s “1984″, we use cognitive dissonance or “double-think” to convince ourselves that this is not the case.
Google Video search for the following:
“Alex Jones: American Dictators”
WATCH THAT MOVIE, Elizabeth!
@ William D Berg - “These people need to understand that when you’re on private property you don’t have the right to just speak beyond the allowed time by rules set up in the private establishment”
WRONG. universities get FEDERAL money to exist. This is the People’s property too.
You are an authoritarian and you support a Police State.
31 of the 33 killed by Cho in Virgina were killed after sub machine gun toting body armor wearing cops showed up. They cringed behind cars while people were executed. If on of the victims has a concealed firearm, there would be less dead. The supreme court said the Police have NO obligation to protect the people. Castle Rock v. Gonzales.
The police are citizens, not anything more. They like everyone else have to obey the same laws per the 14th amendment. This notion they get to do whatever they HELL they want is PURE CRAP.
Why is Kerry in Florida? Whats next? Gore in Ohio? Wasnt this a state funded university? What is the purpose of the (campus) police? To protect the citizens? Who were the people that, according to news reports, asked the police to handle Andrew? Are campus police paid by the tuition from Andrew (or his parents)? Whose interest are those officers protecting? Why let Kerry off so easy? Who was the one man that could have stopped Andrew from being tased? Did he? Did he answer Andrew’s question or give some stock response about “retrospect” and “needing more information”? Could the ACLU please get involved and get some punitive damages for a worthy charity (say 911 First Responders) to discourage any other state subsidized university from allowing this to happen? Do we need another Kent State? Who works for who here?
Elio Carrion. Today an UNARMED suspect what shot three times by a police officer in Chin, California.
The Police State is here. Unarmed people being tasered and shot by police is now common.
Elio Carrion being SHOT while unarmed by a jack booted gestapo thug of the Police State.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIedW4HG5gE
The motto Live Free or DIE means something. If you arent free, the authoritarians in control can try to kill you at any moment.
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?
* Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.
* Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.
* Two lost their sons in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured.
* Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.
* They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.
What kind of men were they?
* Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.
* Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means and well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.
Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.
At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died Bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed His wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.
Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.
Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more.
Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: “For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”
They gave you and me a free and independent America. Some of us take These liberties so much for granted … We shouldn’t.
Hope you enjoy the camps William. Your whole post made me cringe. You don’t beat up a woman because she talks during a game. Haven’t you ever heard of the First Amendment? Rightly so, Andrew Meyer had every right to ask a question and the cops had no right to taser him. That IS treason. Treason against the American people and their freedom of speech. This isn’t about one boy, its about all of us. If cops treat a boy like that for asking a question, imagine what they might do to you. This isn’t an isolated incident. It’s happening all over the country.
Check out teknosis dot com under Taser title and read Police State USA. Also investigate Wantagate. Ron Paul for President in 2008!
here here Carlos Rivera.
The people are speaking against this oppression.
I don’t know, from what I’ve been reading, Meyer is a film student who wanted to make some waves. I don’t know if it’s true, but what I’ve read is that he had his own guy filming him asking the questions, and then asked the cops if he could have his camera back. I’m not even sure he was really tasered! If someone is touching you while you get tasered, doesn’t he get some amount of electric current coursing through his body? If you watch the video, you can hear the “taser,” but where are all the cops? Right on top of him!
Here’s the URL of the video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lpMSNjXhhhg
Hi Elizabeth, I was not suggesting you are a Kerry supporter, and if you are, to me, that is your right. It just bothers me that we are not hearing Kerry’s answers, because I watched several versions of the tasing, and I thought Mr. Meyer started out fine, but I noticed he was provoked, while he was speaking several times, to which I admit, I too would have acted like Mr. Meyers, if it my turn and I had felt my question needed a preface knowing most people had not read the book, or understood that the book informed the public why and how Kerry had won the election. All the media on this issue focuses on Mr. Meyers and his actions and attitude, are missing a very important point, “What were Kerry’s answers?”. We don’t know, and no one appears to be asking, but me and very few others, too few others. I hope you join me in asking, “What were Kerry’s answers?” Surely, with all the videos, someone should have a tape of that, and why are not not publishishing it on YouTube?
Yes, I would like to know what the answers are and yes, you would think someone would have taped it. I have not found the answers or anything that happened before or after this student but I was glad to see that at the very least Kerry did make some attempt, however mild, to stop the police. My #1 question though, even more then Kerry’s answers, is why so many cops felt the need to use a taser in the first place. As to Kerry’s answers, well, I doubt we will know, at least until they may be asked again.
Our whole system is in desperate need of an overhaul before we become the next communist society.
Does anyone else things are amiss in this scenario?
How about this:
1) Does he have someone film him because he thinks he’s going to be arrested and there may be polive brutality involved? Or because he wanted to hear Senator Kerry’s response and put THAT on the internet?
2) Why didn’t the police ecort Mr. Meyer him out?
3) Why did the police fai to say in an audible manner considering that the KNEW they were on camera that Mr. Meyer was under arrest and read him his rights.
3) Why was it necessary to tase him in front of so many people? We talk about respect in others’ homes and places of business but I sure don’t want someone kicking someone else around in my house. What’s more: I don’t want anyone kicking anyone around in my presence - PERIOD!
This proves a lack of mental sanity on everyones’ behalf. And it is one more isolated incident that will prove this country’s undoing.
Does anyone else think things are amiss in this scenario?
For instance:
1) Does Mr. Meyer have someone film him because he thinks he’s going to be arrested and there may be police brutality involved? Or because he wanted to hear Senator Kerry’s response and put THAT on the internet?
2) Why didn’t the police escort Mr. Meyer out of the building?
3) Why did the police fail to say in an audible manner, considering that the KNEW they were on camera, that Mr. Meyer was under arrest and read him his rights?
3) Why was it necessary to tase him in front of so many people? We talk about respect in others’ homes and places of business, but I sure don’t want someone kicking someone else around in my house. What’s more: I don’t want anyone kicking anyone around in my presence - PERIOD!
This proves a lack of mental sanity on everyones’ behalf. And this is one more isolated incident that will prove this country’s undoing.
Elizebeth…they need better cops? One cop was a female and she got flung around like a rag doll. Watch the video without sound. You will see a resisting man, wildly flaleeing arms and no cooperation. He got what he deserved
“I feel as though people should be allowed to voice their opinions and support whomsoever they wish as long as it’s non-offensive.”
Exactly. As long as it is a nice and boring opinion that is non-offensive - I wouldn’t want my right not to be offended oppressed, afterall.
No matter how the media tries to play this down. The truth is that we would never of had this happen 20 and 40 years ago. The police would of handled it different. Its sad to see our freedoms slip away just as Kerry’s response. A lot of the blame is focused on the UPD. But someone hired them. Someone set up the protocol that is used. Its the laws of the land that dictate how and when and to what degree police action is taken.
If Meyer mannerisms or topic would of been different I wonder if the police action would have been different.
The point I want to make is that he simply was not being Politically Correct.
Therefore he was removed. Since when can we not express our likes and dislikes to public officials? They are there to represent us. True? If one has Passion at a Football game…..raise there voice but does not threaten anyone. They don’t get drug out of the game.
When the Democrat’s or Republicans get together and bash the other. They do it with passion and are not removed from their event. So whether or not Meyer did this as a public stunt. I don’t care. What I do care about is how many men have died on a battle field somewhere from overseas to here in our own states. From today to the our own Revolution. People have fought and died to save our freedom. Mr. Meyers freedom was trampled on. I wonder if I will see this in my own life. I hope and pray not.
I thank all of you for speaking up that see something wrong with this. Thank you for helping defend our Freedom.
Mr. Meyer is a young self-promoter who asked rude, yet appropriately provocative, questions in a public forum on public land, and was suppressed too soon. Kerry stated he would have answered Meyer’s questions, and actually started to (for whatever good that might have done). Freedom of speech was in play here. But at some point, one man’s expression of free speech becomes other men’s obstruction of free speech. Mr. Meyer was probably headed past this point (he wasn’t interested in waiting for any answers to his good questions), but he was cut short. It was a judgment call by the event organizers. I think it was premature, but it was theirs to make.
However, once informed that he was under arrest, he should have sought redress in court. All the consequences he suffered while resisting arrest are on his own head. The officers delivered a measured escalation of force until Mr. Meyer consented to be cuffed and lead away. Should officers simply abort any arrest where the subject contends that he “hasn’t done anything”? Those issues are handled in court, not at the scene.
In contrast, Dr. Paul is an elder statesman who civilly poses his challenges, consistently over decades of service.
The two may be similar in the fact that both oppose an abusive state, but they are opposites in approach, mostly due to age-appropriate demeanor.
I cringe when Mr. Meyer supports Dr. Paul in much the same way as I cringe when I hear of support for Dr. Paul by any other narrow or shallow faction. Dr. Paul’s message is a considered, consistent, thoughtful criticism of statism and its ill effects. Mr. Meyer’s experience at the hands of the state was eminently avoidable, and his chosen style detracted from his message.
Well said observer. I wish I could do it so well.
Definitely a Ronulan if you ask me.
Dear Elizabeth, It was suggested to me that Kerry’s secret service men, or body guards, gave the police a signal (some of the police were wearing headphones) to move in and remove Meyers. I have been to many lectures and speaches and I have never seen so many police standing at a podium before. They indeed were planted to remove anyone who asked Kerry questions he did not want to answer. The media should step up to the plate and ask Kerry the same questions: Why did you conceed the election, KNOWING the public was actively moving to ban electronic voting machines, which were everywhere in Ohio, and in less than 24 hours? Why was there no challenge? The Democrats’ campaign in 2004 was “Anyone but Bush.” The Democrats attacked Ralph Nader in 17 states with 22 law suits to prevent him from ballot access fearing he would “spoil” the election (as if Nader was a Democrat), the Democrats worked to insure Nader was not on the ballot, not able to challenge the election, and the result: Kerry conceeded in less than 24 hours to Bush.
Unlike many long time Ron Paul supporters, the only party I joined was the Libertarian Party, which I abandoned when Ron Paul ran for office as his anti-choice pro-God stand was too GOP for me and divided the Libertarian Party (making the same mistake as Goldwater, inviting the religious right into the party, it’s like inviting Al Qauda into the GOP). Goldwater gave us the neocons, and having been former Democrats, the Democrats continue to support the Neocons, essentially giving the USA one party with two faces. No ownder the majority of Amerians don’t vote.
To Observer:
Notice several assumptions you have made:
1. There was a legitimate cause to arrest the man.
2. The man was informed he was under arrest
3. Mr Meyer reaction to being grabbed while speaking and without warning was an inappropriate reaction.
4. The use of taser was justified in the circumstances.
I put it to you, that your assumptions are questionable.
5. Mr Meyer was not interested in the responses.
6. Judgement call was made.
7. Judgement call was made by event organisers.
8. One man using his free speech alone, can somehow stop another man using his free speech.
Observer, it was nice tearing your argument apart.
Have a nice day.
Observer wrote: “However, once informed that he was under arrest, he should have sought redress in court. All the consequences he suffered while resisting arrest are on his own head.”
While I share your discomfort that Meyer has associated himself with Paul in view of the appearance in many peoples eyes that he might be a “looney” I have to take issue with your statement. I feel you have a very thin appreciation for the principles underlying free speech. He was entirely within his rights. It is actually the legal right of any citizen to resist an illegal arrest, which I have to assume you don’t know, but if you doubt me you are free to do the research yourself. What, exactly, did he do that was illegal? Talking Too Loudly? Asking Too Many Questions? Interrupting A Senator? Asking A Forty Second Question in a Public Forum? Maybe he was Standing Up For His Right To Be Heard? Or perhaps Inciting a Riot, the charge that the officer gave him. While Meyer appeared somewhat agitated after he had been interrupted several times during his questions, his behavior was not surprising if you assume he was nervous to begin with. He was preparing to confront a US Senator with some very uncomfortable questions. My judgment of his reaction to the police was one of genuine surprise and fear, and not staged. You could say it was an overreaction, but if you think the police and government in America don’t sometime kill and torture innocent people you live in a fantasy of ignorance.
The central issue regarding free speech, however, is that people who are loud, agitated, perhaps misinformed are the very people who’s speech MUST be protected, because when things start to go bad they are often the first to speak out. Let me ask you a question: How many of the students at that speech would now think twice before they confronted a public official on an issue? Mull over the answer to that question.
The same goes for you asdf. And fyi, you didn’t tear anything apart, you just made groundless assertions. Utterly meaningless.
In a civelised society if someone is breaking private property rules for a public event you throw them out. You don’t arrest and tazer them with trumped up charges.
You also don’t beat up a lady because she is talking during football. If she is violating the rule and wont stop you have her and possibly her husband leave. It is possible the situation could eventually lead to arrest for trespassing but that is well down the road. Even if you called the police they would first ask them to leave peacefully that is if they are doing their job correctly.
Asdf, after re-reading your posts I find I’m not clear on what your position is. It’s a little confusing. If I mis-interpreted them I apologize.
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Duh!!!Of course The Powers That BE don’t want the TRUTH about Anything to come out, they don’t want the sheep to wake up and from what I read on blogs etc…they are successful.
I suggest to ANYONE who thinks this kid was out of line, go find Patrick Henry’s speech (Give me Liberty or Give me Death) maybe then you will understand that Ron Paul and this kid are a dying breed of Americans who actually dare to say what they mean and mean what they say, unlike the GUTLESS sheep who laughed while this kid was being TORTURED for speaking his mind………..how dare he and Ron Paul speak their minds in the Land of the “FREE” and the home of the “Brave”…………………..
The tone over the Andrew Meyer tantrum is a amazing. The incident does not reflect “gestapo tactics” or suggest the emergence of a “police state.” People who make those comparisons have no idea what repression is. Meyer is just a wet diaper with a high opinion of himself. What happened because of him means nothing and Meyer himself has nothing original to say.
I don’t think Ron Paul and Andrew Meyer are similar at all.
Jon Stewart had it right regarding this Meyer situation: “An unfortunate combination of police over-reaction and what appears to be student douche-baggery. [...] There are no winners.”
Andrew Meyer makes a fool of himself in a forum and can’t make a coherent argument. Ron Paul follows forum rules (e.g., runs a normal political campaign, waits his turn in Congress to make his points) and agree with him or not, he’s an excellent public speaker. I haven’t seen Dr. Paul act unstatesmanlike in any context…leaving out the Morton Downey Jr appearance where statesmanship would have been inappropriate for the forum.
I don’t think Ron Paul and Andrew Meyer are similar at all.
Jon Stewart had it right regarding this Meyer situation: “An unfortunate combination of police over-reaction and what appears to be student douche-baggery. [...] There are no winners.”
Andrew Meyer makes a fool of himself in a forum and can’t make a coherent argument. Ron Paul follows forum rules (e.g., runs a normal political campaign, waits his turn in Congress to make his points) and agree with him or not, he’s an excellent public speaker. I haven’t seen Dr. Paul act unstatesmanlike in any context…leaving out the Morton Downey Jr appearance where statesmanship would have been inappropriate for the forum.
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Jeanette Doney
He is pro-choice via the 10th amendment.
You cant break law to make law.
Also, he is god-loving but NON-AUTHORITARIAN.
I hope you can live with yourself after your lack of support for Ron Paul will lead to an authoritarian police state.
A Ron Paul presidency will be so much closer to libertarianism than ANYTHING ELSE in the past 100 years, you would be nuts to try and say he a PRO-LIFE and GOD-FORCING candidate - its simply not true!
Ron Paul voted NO on legislation to ban interstate travel to get an abortion. Its a 10th amendment issue. There is no enumerated right for various things, and these things are decided by the states.
If you dont like the constitution, maybe the libertarian party could propose a new one or some new amendments - but you have to have power in congress to do that!
David,
Thank you for your considered response.
As I wrote, I agree that freedom of speech was in play here. Investigation and trial (if one is held) will determine whether Mr. Meyer’s first amendment rights were violated. It would not surprise me at all if they were.
I am not an attorney, so I did have to research whether it is legal in America to resist an illegal arrest. I found several partial references to various decisions and statutes, but Craig Hemmens wrote what I found to be the most comprehensive review of the history from Common Law to modern day for the California Criminal Law Review (http://www.boalt.org/CCLR/v2/v2hemmensnf.htm) From the Magna Carta, to “The Queen v. Tooley”, to “John Bad Elk v. United States”, to The Uniform Arrest Act of 1941, to the ALI’s Modern Penal Code, all but 12 states had removed the right to resist an unlawful arrest by statue or case law at the time of his writing (which was some time after the year 2000). Florida was not listed as one of the 12 states that still retain the Common Law right to resist. Perhaps they do. I can only surmise at this point that Mr. Meyer did not have the right to resist the arrest in Florida.
As to what Mr. Meyer did that was illegal, the answer may very well be “nothing at all”. I will still maintain that the proper answer to that question is not found in a scuffle at the scene. Was Mr. Meyer was in danger of being tortured and/or killed after being arrested in front of a U.S. Senator and 350 witnesses, and while being filmed by several people? The answer seems obvious to me.
After reviewing the arrest reports, Mr. Meyer was charged with disturbing the peace (interfering with a school function) and resisting with violence.
As I wrote, Mr. Meyer asked good questions. He didn’t wait for answers (which may have been a result of his agitation, and may not have been). Yes, he was rude, loud, asked more questions than were allowed in the forum, and interrupted the senator. I do not see how any of these aspects could be construed as illegal. I do see how actively resisting arrest might be. To be clear, I present these as indictments of his effectiveness in getting his questions answered, and remaining welcome at the event, not on his exercise of free speech.
Your question: “How many of the students at that speech would now think twice before they confronted a public official on an issue?” Other students did indeed ask questions. Some at their turn at the microphone before Mr. Meyer’s arrest, some directly to Senator Kerry after the arrest. Will the students think twice about actively resisting arrest? Perhaps.
I have a return question: When the Accent event coordinator, Max Tyroler, asked the officers to remove Mr. Meyer for disrupting the event (whether he was justified in doing so at that point or not), and Mr. Meyer refuses to be detained, what would you have the officers do?
It just proves that people who vote for republicans (Paul is a republican) are insane.
Observer, you said: “However, once informed that he was under arrest, he should have sought redress in court”. There is the problem. Look at the videotape. Never one do the police tell him he is under arrest. They grab him and yes, he squirms away; that’s perfectly within rights for someone not told he’s under arrest. He asks them if he’s under arrest, and they say NOTHING. There are no miranda rights read, nothing. Here’s the biggest problem of all for the police; one of the policemen claim that Meyer picked HIM up off the ground. The video clearly shows it’s the policeman that picks MEYER up. Another officer claims she read him the miranda rights. That’s another clear lie. The tape shows she did not.
robthomaseyes
Paul is a libertarian running for the GOP war chest. The only thing insane is asinine identity politics that you play. If a republican is the best man for the job, so be it. Anyone who votes straight party lines is really just a stupid idiot.
#1 Rudy vs Ron Paul. ( Ron wins by ~43,000,000 )
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Ron+Paul&word2=Rudy+Giuliani
#2 Hillary vs Ron Paul. ( Ron wins by ~32,000,000 )
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Ron+Paul&word2=Hillary+Clinton
#3 Fred Thompson vs Ron Paul. ( Ron wins by ~32,000,000 )
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Ron+Paul&word2=Fred+Thompson
#4 Mitt Romney vs Ron Paul. ( Ron wins by ~41,000,000 )
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Ron+Paul&word2=Mitt+Romney
#5 Barack Obama vs Ron Paul. ( Ron wins by ~40,000,000 )
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Ron+Paul&word2=Barack+Obama
#6 Mike Huckabee vs Ron Paul. ( Ron wins by ~40,000,000 )
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Ron+Paul&word2=Mike+Huckabee
#7 John McCain vs Ron Paul. ( Ron wins by ~41,000,000 )
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Ron+Paul&word2=John+McCain
A recent Gallup poll finds Paul at the head of the so-called second-tier candidates (i.e., the candidates the establishment hasn’t anointed). Yet a point was recently made that at this stage in the election cycle, national polls reflect only name recognition, not respondents’ assessments of the candidates. Consider the past:
- In early 1975, Jimmy Carter was polling at 1% (he went on to win the presidency).
- In early 1987, Michael Dukakis was polling at 1% (he went on to win the Democratic nomination).
- In early 1991, Bill Clinton was at 2% (he went on to win the presidency).
- In the spring of 1999, John McCain was polling at 3% (he went on to win the New Hampshire primary).
- In early 2003, Joe Lieberman was leading the field for the Democratic presidential nomination (he failed to win any primary).
As of August 2007
- Ron Paul has more financial support from the Military than *ANY* other candidate. (Our troops hate Iraq and want to come home, Ron is the only one that can do that)
- According to the polls, Ron Paul has won almost every Republican Debate (Including the Fox debate)
- Ron Paul is by far the most popular candidate on the Internet.
DON’T BE AN MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND RUPERT MURDOCH ROBOT, GET OUT THERE ARE GET BEHIND THE ONLY POPULIST LIBERTARIAN CONSTITUTIONALIST CANDIDATE, RON PAUL. His campaign money ONLY comes from THE PEOPLE, not Hillary’s wihch comes from huge insuranace and medical oligarchs and lobbyists, and the Authoritarian Statist non-Constitutionalist Rudy, Mitt, Fred, etc, this comes from the military industrial complex.
The Media and the GOP are SUPRESSING THE TRUTH which is easy to see on: Youtube, Facebook, Google, Google news, Meetup, Reddit, MySpace, Digg you name it, Web 2.0 says Ron Paul is #1.
Stop being a pawn, and lash out against the oppressive media-militaryindustrial-government regime!
They use polling to disenfranchise voters, American want a football game and they want to pick a winner. Carter and Clinton prove the people can make this media coup ineffective!
The reason that Ron Paul is running under GOP is 3rd parties in the country get screwed at the ballot box, I voted libertarian in California and had to vote in Spanish because the poll officials had no libertarian ballots in ENGLISH!
Let me break down the first amendment:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Since Kerry IS a Senator, he has a FUCKING RIGHT to petition the government. The fact that Kerry is a Senator makes the police even more wrong, since the violated more clauses of the first amendment.
One part of the video that is especially troubling are the other people. This scene is better than “COPS” and the others in the auditorium became the viewers. Without spilling blood or brandishing a weapon, Mayer was able to get himself assaulted. But no one rises up against the police. We the people are strong when we band together, and the fascists can pick us apart too easy.
He shouldn’t have said anything about Clinton receiving a “blowjob” in the oval office. You can hear this in an extended version of his question.
Regardless if he said “blowjob” or not, he still did absolutely nothing illegal. And that is why I’m a Ron Paul supporter. People are being arrested these days for absolutely no reason, and many of the rights (speech, etc) that the Constitution says cannot be infringed or abridged, are being infringed and abridged. I really don’t think it’s crazy to want to protect the Constitution, and even live under the freedoms it guarantees.
I’ve seen posts from people around the world asking: “Hey, if you’re not using your Constitution, can we borrow it for a while.”
Americans were saddened over what happened to the Monks in Burma, who were arrested because they protested the military rule there. Yet, this boy gets arrested because of a statement? In America? He has the right to stand publicly and say what he thinks. He shouldn’t have resisted. But it’ll take months (years?) to go through the process now, not to mention have a rap sheet, even if he’s found innocent. If the U.S. implements what the U.K. is trying to do, the poor boy would also have an RFID chip in him. http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article3333852.ece
And tampering with the votes has been proven in three elections already. And when we ask for a paper trail to prove our vote, we’re told quite simply “No.” When we ask the machines to be verified by an independent university, we’re told “No.” In the NH election, no candidate came in at where the polls said they would, except for Ron Paul at 8%. Current Polls, from Rasmussen to CBS, list different numbers for all the candidates in the next election, except for Ron Paul. Every poll says he’s coming in at 5%. That doesn’t add up to me; how every poll says “we’re not sure about everyone else, but we KNOW RP will be at 5%.”
The media…
Well, when 59,000 people vote for Hillary in an online poll, she’s a “favorite.” When 30,000 people vote for Ron Paul, we’re “a few rabid, Ron Paul-supporting spammers,” or “zealous” or “overly-enthusiastic.”
We’re not all crazy “tinfoil hate wearing kooks.” Although with his message, he is going to appeal to that crowd, as well. Most of us though, are everyday, working-class people. We’re both Democrat and Republican. We’re made up of all races and religions. From the rich CEO of PayPal to the poor black community, we’re everyone.
And most of us are just thinking that many things aren’t adding up anymore.