Today My Microsoft Xbox 360 Has Red Ring of Death: Glad own Sony PS3 & Nintendo Wii

This website is a mouthpiece for Sony propaganda. Everything Sony is good, while everything Xbox is bad. Look at the articles released and judge for yourself. The Sony connection is clear.

I know having to send the thing back is a bummer but…do you realize how whiny this makes you sound? You were eager to send it in when it wasn’t broken, and even tried to break it on purpose so you could send it in, and now that it IS broken and you can send it in… you’re belly-aching like a little girl? I don’t get it.

Be a man. Since it’s free, have the damned thing fixed. Or don’t. While it’s gone do something else. Or don’t. But shuddup already.

@Christian

Are you for real? Daniel wrote many of times how he viewed the 360 was better than the PS3. He even wrote a blog stating that he is back playing his 360 due to lack of PS3 games. It would seem more like he does not like PS3 than 360.

Daniel wrote this because his 360 died. How annoying is it to have hardware you know is not made well? 360′s have a hardware defect problem and Microsoft doesn’t care to fix it.

If you want to ignore the problems the 360 hardware have then you are a fanboy. It has awesome games and it’s online is just as awesome but hardware wise the 360 is crap.

To answer your question Daniel. I personally think a recall should have been made but it will never happen as that would spell the end of the 360. Microsoft isn’t bound by law or anything to do a recall since the systems are not injuring anyone so a mandatory recall doesn’t apply to them. Considering the 360 has the worst failure rate of any video game console ever is a problem that will not be fixed until the 65nm chips come out (yes the new 360′s with heat sinks still overheat).

Until 360 owner’s complain the 3 year RROD only warranty is not enough MS will not change anything.

3 year warranty, enough said. If it fails, they will fix it. No recall needed. This is not complicated. Unless perhaps you’re a PS3 fanboy.

So you guys who think paying money for a product (Xbox 360) that dies and they fix it for free is ok, you guys are fanboys.

I love my 360, I hate the fact that it has hardware problems.

I cannot see how your happy to buy a product and then have it break down, it does not matter that they will fix it for free.

It breaks, why sell a product that breaks…again for people that cannot read…I went back to playing the 360 for better games and chat in games, but now the 360 hardware sucks.

I guess people who do not understand, will when their 360 breaks.

Well most everything about the 3shitty is crap anyways, so who the fuck cares if this is sony propaganda!! The 3shitty is a CRAP console, and it is now BEYOND me how all u fanboys can keep praising and defending it after all it does is crash and burn on u. This isn’t a war about sony vs microsoft or America vs Japan, this is about what machine is better, and YES as we all know the PS3 is the better machine. So stop whining all fucking day long and deal with it!!!

I just got a brand spanking new Elite and it died after after 1 week. I didn’t even get to finish Bioshock and now i’m going to miss Halo 3!! A total recall would be a waste of time seeing as their new models are just as unreliable, it would seem that all 360s are destined to die.

I find all these articles regarding the so called Red Ring of Death quite interesting. Everyone knows there is a problem with some Xbox 360′s, but I must disagree with the statment that all 360′s have this problem as I know quite a few 360 owners and only a few have had the problem.

I myself have had a failure, but Microsoft was very good and I was only without my xbox for about a week and have had no problem since.

There was always going to have problems, they produced a very good console quite cheap. Would you have paid an extra $100 for a better built console ( I think not ). Look at Sony they are in a very bad place at the moment because they took the extra time and added the extra money to produce a console, which is not better just made a little better. I also have a PS3 and have not played for more than 20 hours on it as there is no games.

Just let me say one last thing, do we believe that the RRD is a mistake, look on ebay and see how many consoles that have been modified are being sold and have the RRD. I had a PS2 and Xbox 1, both were modified but I will not be doing it to my Xbox 360 …… maybe they are cleaver then we think…

Just to add, John I don’t think you realy own any consoles as what you say is total rubbish. I own PS3, Xbox 360 and a mid range PC. Games are everything to a “Games Machine” and the PC and Xbox are light years ahead of the PS3. I can here you saying “But the PS3 has only been out 10 months”, which again is rubbish. (No Games = No Fun) and thats the point, the PS3 does not have the time, in 2 more years there will be a Wii 2 and Xbox 720. Its a shame because we really need a third stronge console…

@Chris

I agree with most of what you said, apart from the fact that I would be happy to pay another $100 for a console that did not break down.

And I still think that all 360′s will get the RRD. I thought mine would not after my brother’s did, but now it has after just being on for 10 mins.

Christian you are an idiot. The fact is they are selling faulty goods. It doesn’t matter if the warranty is 1 year or 10 years. It should not be going wrong AT ALL but it is doing and its a hell of an inconvenience when it does.

Stop lying to yourself about it not being a problem and that you don’t mind being without it for a few weeks.

If the stat about 30% of 360′s failing is true that means that the PS3 is 150 times more reliable. Only a complete retard would stick up for Microsoft and say it isn’t a problem when it is obviously a massive problem and a massive inconvenience.

@Chris. The PS3 is a more powerful and higher spec console than the 360. In a year or 2 your comments will look utterly inane. Would I pay $100 extra for my console to be more reliable and have a longer life? Of course I would. Only an idiot wouldn’t and to advise people not too is even more idiotic. The 360 was rushed out to get the drop on the PS3 and over the comming years it will look like a piece of tat compared to it. You are also a liar because you do not have a PS3 and the fact that not all of your friends 360′s have failed yet doesn’t mean they don’t have the problem. You and Christian are the biggest pair of dimwits I’ve seen in a long time.

@nik

Just take it back to the place where you purchased it. It only a week old, they have to replace it…

@ Chris

But the ps3 has only been out 10 months, 360 had another year to start making games, ive heard about the 360′s orignal crappy line up of games. In a year from now, PS3 will MGS 4 Tekken 6 and most probably Final Fantasy 13. I dont know about you but i think the games on the ps3 store are very good, like super stardust HD, tekken 5 dark ressurection, warhawk. Those games keep me going for a long time. I think echo chrome is going to be incredible. And yes i would happily pay $100 (£50 here) for a console that looks so much nicer and doesnt break after 10 minutes of turning it on. Oh did i mention home is out next month.

@steve

I know what you are saying, but when the 360 started there was no other. Now the PS3 has to compete with 360 and wii. I am not really a MGS4 or Tekken fan but FF13 is the one I am looked forward to. I am not sure about Home to be honest, I have 2 kids that use the consoles. I need to see some really good child security on home before I let them near it, you never know.

I really hope all three do well so we have good games on all. But I do worry about Sony they don’t really have anything next gen on there console, Wii has the remote, Xbox has XBLM, and PS3 has Blue Ray ( which doen’t make my games any better). Some people say the graphics are better but I don’t see that yet. But we will see

Nobody likes the high failure rates but with a 3 year warranty i’d rather be without my 360 for a few weeks than spend months waiting for games to come out on the PS3 only to find out when they arrive that they don’t have online play, (VF5, Virtua Tennis 3, Tony Hawk’s Project or have frame rate issues (Madden, most EA games, majority of cross-platform ports)

Sony’s promised great things with the PS3 but failed to deliver, then they said wait till the killer games like Heavenly Sword and Lair arrive, well i’m glad i didn’t wait, HS has nice graphics but poor repetitive gameplay and i’m told can be finished in 7 hours play with little reason to replay it, Lair is all but unplayable and Warhawk’s single player mode was so bad that they decided to drop it all together and make it muti-player online only, i’ve played Warhawk and it’s about the best thing on the PS3 but without a single player mode and storyline it’s only half a game.

So what i’m trying to say is that to me, an unreliable console with a warranty and a huge library of great games is better than a reliable one with nothing to play

Lets forget about games and forget about rival consoles.

The fact is Microsoft have produced a piece of hardware that fails at an alarming rate. Not only that, it continues to fail 2 years into it’s production cycle, showing that they have learned nothing. We have never seen a situation like this with a video ganmes console before.

The 3 year warrenty is a step in the right direction, but nit does not help the thousands like me who had a 360 die on them before MS decided to take action.

To suggest the exteneded warrenty is the right action is confusing. The 360 has so many great games that I’m sure people would like to keep it for years to come, like I have been able to with my C64, PS1, PS2, Atari, Gameboy, Sega Gamegear, Megadrive, Amiga, etc, etc.

It these issues continue and Sony up their game it won’t be long before parents start casting their vote at Xmas time.

Not remember DR Errors both from PS2/PSX… and that you HAD 2 Pay for Repair, is just a very short term memory…

aren’t you?

Keep Complaining… don’t fix it. I dare You.

I agree 100% with everything Daniel had to say in his Article. I am personally on my 4th console, all 3 previous ones got the RRD. I know 8 people who also have a 360 and 4 of them already have gotten the RRD.

If you have spent any time doing any research on what actually happens to cause the RRD, then you will know that this WILL/CAN HAPPEN TO ALL 360′s! It is not an isolated problem, it is a design flaw. The 360 uses cheap MotherBoard plastics and has inadequate cooling, which comes together in the fact that the 360 gets too hot, the MB warps and I believe it is the graphics chip that pops off the MB.

I have not only had the RRD issues, but I have then had other issues because of switching my 360 out that MS will not help resolve.

Any other company would be sued over this and lose, but when your Microsoft, you jsut will never lose.

Why does everything have to come down to which console is best they are both good in there own rights. Where we 360 owners have been letdown is with regards to poor testing of the console and poor customer service. I have had 4 360′s die on me and WAS happy to send them off to have them repaired untill now. I called to report the repair on the 3rd of september and still no on the 19th of september after 6 phone calls have my 360 waiting to be picked up, and yes i did try getting lables emailed to me but it wouldnt open the link on the site to download them, so im sat waiting for ups to come bring me a box and labels so it can go off to be fixed and come back for another few mths till it has to go again.

Heres a story. I got a 360 at launch. It died within a month.Rather than get it fixed(no patience) I had the cash so I bought another at Best Buy.Within an hour it had 3 red lights. I took it back and they replaced it. Within a month it had 3 red lights. Best Buy took it back once again and I got my money back. So I wait 4 or 5 months thinking Microsoft has fixed the problem. I bought another 360 in April of 07 and a used 360 for backup just in case. Well last week the newest one got 3 red lights. So I plug in the backup. Everything is fine for about 4 days. Now that one wont read any discs. Microsoft tells me this is also a hardware problem. My patience is about up.

To finish my rant from above. Does Microsoft even give a s#@t? If the product doesnt work recall it or lose customers. I worked at John Deere and we built Skidsteer tractors. There was a problem with the engines but they had us keep building them for over a year because they said customers would use the warranty. Well guess what. The customers stopped buying them. Deeres share of skidsteers slid. Same thing is gonna happen here.

How about this? come back here to this site and tell everyone how you feel when your 360 craps out during your newly bought halo 3!! and then you must wait 3-6 weeks to get it back and maybe, just maybe it wont crap out again? I for one had 2 360`s and after the second crapped out (it was an elite) i went with a ps3, now i`m very sorry right now because i have nothing to play, but at least i`m not worried about it crapping like the 360 does. and in the end i will be with the system that will give games way better than anyother system out there, it was hard to make the switch, but after seeing the graphics to come, i wont be dissapointed. so yes, microsoft lost yet another customer due to lack of poor hardware, here`s the thing- sony is one of the best hardware makers, so they make hardware, M$ should stay at what they are best at–SOFTWARE

hey we x360 owner must do something and make microsoft to solve red ring of death problem.I have write a letter and i’m gonna put it on petitiononline.com go there and sign it.but first you can read it here:

me:hi MICRO$OFT We are tired of red ring of death(are we?).plz put one of those beautiful japanese hand fan in the games pack so we could play halo3 for 5 minute then cool our console for 10 minute then play 5 minute cool it down 10 minute play 5 minute cool it 10 minute play 5 minute Kaboooom!
shit i’m gonna buy another console and another copy of halo3.
unidentified voice:hey but your game is still usable.
me again:i know it but i think i need more than one of “one of those beautiful japanese hand fan” to cool this volcano(does your ps3 has the power of a volcano?)
hey M$ you could even paint it with different picture and charge more money.just think to “one of those beautiful japanese hand fan” with master chief picture on it or master chief head on arnold bare body(just upper part!).and in next E3 instead of saying “games talk” you could say fan&fun
hey M$ it works BELIVE!!!!!!!!!!

As a consumer this is completely unexcuseable. I am glad I didn’t buy an Xbox 360 when they first came out. I was a large xbox fan, owning an Xbox1 and over 80 games. It’s a shame that they didn’t but the effort into quality like they did into the first xbox (man that think was a tank, in a good way). I think Microsoft rushed the 360 just to be the first one out the gate, but it looks like this will be a major setback in they’re efforts on the console wars. I believe that in the long run, the PS3 will have much more sales and that even the Wii will outsell the Xbox360.

A 3 year warranty is a good start to own up to their mistake, but when customers that get their systems repaired and return have their unit (sometimes a refurbished on that wasn’t their own) get the same error again, it’s useless.

BELIVE!!!!!!!!!!

me:hi MICRO$OFT We are tired of red ring of death(are we?).plz put one of those beautiful japanese hand fan in the games pack so we could play halo3 for 5 minute then cool our console for 10 minute then play 5 minute cool it down 10 minute play 5 minute cool it 10 minute play 5 minute Kaboooom!

shit i’m gonna buy another console and another copy of halo3.
unidentified voice:hey but your game is still usable.
me again:i know it but i think i need more than one of “one of those beautiful japanese hand fan” to cool this volcano(does your ps3 has the power of a volcano?)

hey M$ you could even paint it with different picture and charge more money.just think to “one of those beautiful japanese hand fan” with master chief picture on it or master chief head on arnold bare body(just upper part!).and in next E3 instead of saying “games talk” you could say fan&fun
hey M$ it works BELIVE!!!!!!!!!!

Nevermind a recall – writing lessons would be a good tip.

Lack of games on PS3? A few months ago, definitely. But now, there are actually plenty of games.

Each system has had a few good exclusives, but most of the big releases of the past few months have been on both 360/PS3.

Well I don’t see why this is a big deal. I went through 4 ps2′s last gen. I am still on my first 360 from launch. So I got quite a few to go and it seems they will get much better with the cooler 65nm chips and better heat sinks on the motherboard.

OH yea christian call him a fanboy for speaking his mind… i suppose if his 360 breaks he shouldnt play the PS3 because its made by Sony? And the fact the he gives sony props you call him a fanboy. Hey Daniel, I applaud you for giving your honest answers on your experience with your Microsoft product. Unfortunately that kid is too blind and maniuplated by Microsoft to realize that you werent giving him props. Just the other day you wrote an article about “Lack of PS3 games make u get your Xbox 360 out”
I read your blog because you are in Googles PS3 news feed. I just dont comment but his comment made me comment.
Anyway have fun with your PS3 kid.

@Pete

“The 3 year warrenty is a step in the right direction, but nit does not help the thousands like me who had a 360 die on them before MS decided to take action.”

If you really had a 360 you would know that the warranty DOES cover 360′s that died before it was issued.

“it continues to fail 2 years into it’s production cycle, showing that they have learned nothing.”

I’ve not seen any evidence that recently manifactured consoles are failing at high rates, the cases we are seeing are generally units purchased early on and in some cases those units have been repaired and failed again but a large number of complaints are bogus and come from fanboys.

“Lets forget about games”

Why? thats what i bought my console for, to play GAMES not to boast about it’s reliability while it collects dust under the T.V

The PS2 had a similar problem called DRE (disc read error) the PS2 i own now is my third unit, Sony never owned up to the problem even after settling a law suit.

http://video-games.elliottback.com/2005/11/11/sony-settles-ps2-lawsuit/

Sony repaired or replaced a limited amount of consoles for free as a so called good will gesture while refusing to publicly admit to the problem (they went on to sell over 120M units) i believe the PS1 had hardware problems also but mine was not an early model and i didn’t have it long before trading it in for PS2 games so i can only go on what i’ve heard.

It’s unlikely that any of the cartridge based consoles you mention would have had hardware problems as they contain no moving parts which greatly reduces the risk of failure.

The fact remains that the undeniable reliability of the orginal Xbox did not make it the most successful console last time round and reliability will not make the PS3 successful this time, only a competetive price and large library of great games will sell systems.

Ok I guess I have to explain the 3 year warranty. It only covers RROD. It does not cover your 360 if anything else happens to it, for example:

The system scratching your disc
Load tray failing to open or close
drive not reading
Outputs not working
Etc, etc, etc

Microsoft has already been sued over the 360 scratching games. If anything other than RROD happens YOU HAVE TO PAY TO FIX YOUR 360.The 3 year warranty is not a peace of mind, it was a quick PR move. If MS wanted to really fix it they would just bring out the 65nm chips and allow you to exchange your 360 for one that works and put 65nm ones in stores.

I don’t understand how anyone can defend MS when they are currently selling systems that have high failure rates. 360 owners should be the most vocal since they are the ones having to be without a system of no fault on their own.

This has nothing to do with the PS3, PS2 or any other systems at all. This only has to do with MS making crappy hardware. People try to make it seem ok that the 360 has the highest failure rate of any video game console ever by dissing another system.

If all the 360 owners that spend there time and typing dissing other systems could transfer that energy is sending emails to MS, FCC or whoever then maybe everyone could get their 360′s replaced with with ones that just won’t break at all and there will be no need for a 3 year warranty.

@pete
you said “only a competetive price and large library of great games will sell systems.”

I agree with what your saying to the point that also many consoles going wrong will also make a games console be outsold by others.

The 360 is still breaking, even after they fix it and on new elite systems, just see teh comments of people that have brought these.

Also look at the video here http://www.product-reviews.net/2007/09/10/xbox-360-elite-cracked-open-video-seems-clone-of-the-original/ on an elite that was taken apart, its 99% the same.
And not the newer better chips rumored to be coming, so things will keep breaking.

Geeez…. Get over it!

Consoles break and MS is fixing it. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. This applies to any company you contact regarding a product.

If people is so upset about the 360, then don’t buy it. The reason MS can continue is because consumers continue to buy the 360. It is as simple as that. No amount of complaining will help. So stop these stupid articles that keep popping up for the exact same things!

Move along people, there is no news here.

I got my Elite on launch day, so it still has the 90nm chips and it is still going strong, even after many 14 hour gaming sessions. The other Elite’s that have experienced RROD may have been manufactured prior to the switch to 65nm. I can say with absolute certainty that not all X360′s fail. How? Mine still works perfectly and I have friends that have launch units that are still going! The above stripdown of the Elite, from this site no less, fails to mention the motherboard has been redone on the Elite when compared to the earlier models. It’s actually careless reporting that implies no change at all.. Check an unbiased source such as llama.com for a thorough breakdown of differences, including images that show a new layout of some components and updated resistors, capaticitors etc… http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/news/inside_the_xbox_360_elite.htm

Honestly I can appreciate the intent of this article – but it came off as a very whiney and childish attack. I do recall the author crying that he couldn’t get his console exchanged when it was not experiencing any issues and now he cries that he needs to get it exchanged. WTF? There was no guarantee that his unit was going to fail, but it sounds he tried to get it to RROD just prove his point. Perhaps inappropriate storage was the culprit? Maybe the good ole towel trick did it in? Who knows……. Anyway, I hope mine continues on with no issues, as it has for many months now. If not I can rest easy knowing hat I have the 3 years of protection from RROD.

I guess @ everyone

Continuing to bring up the PS3, PS2, whatever other systems does not make the 360 have less of a failure rate or and acceptable failure rate. You can talk about how ps2 had problems back in the day and no one fixed it but that doesn’t help you 360 problems today. Plus MS WILL NOT fix your 360 for any problem, only RROD.

If I buy a car with a 3 year powertrain warranty it does not cover the whole car. Same with the 360, the 3 year warranty does not cover the whole system so please everyone stop acting like it does.

The PS3 does have games, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Dirt, etc and the PS3 has nothing to do with the failure rate of the 360.

As for fanboys making up the failure rate is just the dumbest idea I have ever heard. Does anybody really think that MS would throw out a 3 year RROD warranty because some fanboys lied about there systems breaking on the internet? No. MS knew there system was a problem and coming into this holiday season you don’t want to be known for having the system that breaks 33% of the time with nothing to back you.

@SN

The Elite does not have the 65nm chips. There are supposed to be in the rumored falcon models of the 360s.

I also believe that not all 360′s will fail. Just an alarmingly high rate of them will.

Apple recall the ipods, of course apple is not microsoft, they take care of their costumers.

In my own point of view, there could be 2 reasons why microsoft dont recall the xbox 360:

a) They dont have a good console to gave you for your faulty console, in other words, they know the xbox 360 has problems, but dont know exactly how to solve the problem or prevent it, so they cant recall because they dont have “fixed” consoles that wont break. This idea has support because microsoft other times have recalled or fixed hardware problems (xbox and racing wheel for example)

b) They cant afford 10000000 xbox 360 recalled, microsoft has more than 7 years of money drain in the xbox businnes, they havent make any dime from the xbox, the investors are angry, they dont wanted microsoft maked the xbox in the first place, so a total global recall, could be the last the investors could take, and forze microsoft to drop the xbox (add the problems with vista and you see how even the richest pocket has a limit for wasting money)

@One

If you’re not already getting paid by Sony i think you should drop them a line and get them to bankroll you for all the hard work you’ve put in as i see your PR work all over the net.

Nobody knows what the failure rate is except Microsoft, some sites reported an ANONYMOUS retailer who guesstimated that it could be as high 33% and seeing how people can’t seem to survive without putting numbers and labels of everything that number has stuck.

Whatever the true failure rate is, nobody is suggesting that it isn’t high and yes that’s why MS slapped a 3 year warranty on it but if you expect me to believe for 1 min that fanboys don’t make up RROD stories ontop of the genuine cases reported on game forums then you’re an idiot.

I brought up the PS2′s DRE problems not to justify the 360′s failure rate but in responce to another comment that PS3′s reliability would sell more systems, clearly the PS2 struggled on OK by selling 120 million units, I’m on my third and i bought it because it was a reasonable price and had the best libary of games, the same reason i now own a 360.

Anyway anybody who favours the PS3′s reliability over the 360′s game library and warranty can go and buy the PS3 it make no odds to me but don’t try and make me out to be a mug or a fanboy because while you’re trolling around the net trying to make converts i’ll be playing Bioshock, Forza 2, Saints Row, PGR4 and Halo 3 on my fully working launch model 360 with a so far unused 3 year warranty.

Well actually I still have my premium XBOX 360 from the 2005 launch and it works perfectly. I suppose I am just one of the lucky?

@Sam

Well arent you the perfect Microsoft PR. With all those statistics and percentages, one would think your right. Well guess what the fact that this is 2007, a time where manufacturers should have overcomed the problems of faulty harware. While not ever will you get a 100%rate of good hardware, it should not be more then 3-5%. Now when you have a company like Microsoft, a company who is not acostumed to dealing with customers, a company that forces their cutomers to depend on them, a companiy who will never give you anything for free, a company that loves to monopolize whatever they can, a company who spits in the face of all thier customers, a company that hypes the shit out of a game, a company that loves to “steal”ideas(windows, Playstation,Ipod). Well then how do you expect them to react after your Xbox 360 dies?. If it was up to them they’d make you buy another one. Do “believe” they are out for your money.

@Sam

I don’t work for Sony and I’m not trying to convince you to buy a PS3. I’m not even saying you should drop your PS3. If you read anything I have said I clearly state that bringing up the PS3, PS2 or any other system does not pertain to the 360 failure rate.

Does calling me a Sony PR guy make the 360 failure rate go away?
If you read what I said I said that 360 owners should be more vocal about getting the 360′s to work properly. How about they give you a 3 year warranty on the whole console? Or just a console that works?

MS will not release the failure rate percentage because it could be higher than 33%, they don’t want the 33% confirmed, and also they want there name out of the press for this.

You, Sam, are a fanboy since you keep bringing up other systems and trying to talk trash to me. I support you having a 360……a 360 that does not have high failure rates.

I think MS should treat their customers right by replacing 360′s with the 65nm ones at no charge. Maybe Jaime is right and they haven’t got the 360 with the 65nm chips done.

Hell when the Elite was announced I was like that is BS as MS should offer some type of rebate or trade for the early adopters if they wanted an Elite. All this says is that if you buy a 360 MS might screw year in a year a bring out a different 360.

As for trolling around the net, obviously you do it too if you are watching me so much. there ae a few sites I like so why not post on them?

Anyway enjoy your 360. I will be playing Bioshock, Gears, Halo 2,etc………on my pc.

bah, console war is in fact FRUSTRATION-War.
blabla this, blabla that.
Facti is, the xbox360 is a hardware catastrophe. A fiasco.
and you really have to be a frustrat.. sorry, a xbox360 fanboy to react like some of the comment.
but I know, sony fanboy are quite the same.
the solution? own both, like the writter of this article, and many, many of what I call Hardcore gamer.
I own all, got my xbox360 dead like all. and if I had to own only one console for 2008 and the following years, it would be the PS3. Period.
Shut up you frustrated people. can’t you just play your games and stop trying to convince YOURSELF you’re Right… well.. the console war is the negative side of the positive site, which is competition. (and NIntendo’s wii is the worst thing concerning competition and evolution)

Hey all I can say is that there is more people that like the xbox 360 than the ps3 even know of faulty system I have had my xbox 360 since launch and it has been the best console I have ever had I have xbox live tons of games and loads of fun on it the ps3 has nothing really but two games would like to play, and warhawk is not a good game it got a rating of 7 so when they say motorstorm resistence and warhawk well I can say is the first two are the only good games for the ps3. Well while I am playing the cod 4 beta and you ps3 people are not you will be saying oh I wish i had a xbox 360 so I could get the cod4 beta it s so awsome to bad its not on the ps3. I am playin cod 4 so time will go faster and funner until the greatest game made Halo 3 comes out. And also the new chips doesnt come out until November but they are right now putting the new heat sink in the systems that get sent back. And also MS didnt not know they were sending faulty systems you knw what when the ps2 came out, it had to come out first. Sony didnt know they were sending faulty ps2 to the world. Oh and MS thinks of money and everything else before the consumer you got to be kidding me I mean come on they spnt over a billion dollars for us so that we can have a 3year warranty if that isnt consumer before money than I dont know what is. Ms must be caring about people with faulty systems when they are finding ways to make the console better like getting the new chips put in them and putting a brand new kind of heat sink, so I say you better correct your self who ever wrote this misleading crap.

@Devil Dawg42

MS spent that money so their name would not be dragged in mud. Maybe they didn’t know the 360 could potenially overheat but they do know after almost two years and they are still overheating. The 3 year RROD ONLY warranty was a PR move they had to do.

“Ms must be caring about people with faulty systems when they are finding ways to make the console better like getting the new chips put in them and putting a brand new kind of heat sink, so I say you better correct your self who ever wrote this misleading crap.”

MS does not care about people with faulty systems because those new systems with HDMI (which still overheat) are not being sent to you. You have to go out and buy one for $280(Core),$350(Premium),$450 (Elite). All the changes in the system does not benefit current 360 owners as if your system breaks they will send you a refurbished model with a heat sink added or a new 360 but without he HDMI with a heat sink added. You want a 360 with a HDMI you have to go out and buy one, you want one with 65nm chips when they come out? You have to buy it.

You can;t get a new model system as they will only replace your 360 sku with the sku it is associated with. If you want a 360 that will not have overheating problems you have to go buy another one.

That doesn’t sound like caring. Plus 1.5 billion dollars is a lot less money they would have to spend if they recalled the 360′s or replaced them all with the new 65nm 360s. You shouldn’t hold your breath on MS doing you any favors, they are a major corporation and they are about profits and that foes the same for Sony, Nintendo, Walmart,etc etc

@One

“If you read anything I have said I clearly state that bringing up the PS3, PS2 or any other system does not pertain to the 360 failure rate.”

And if you had read my comment you would know

“I brought up the PS2’s DRE problems not to justify the 360’s failure rate but in responce to another comment that PS3’s reliability would sell more systems”

I call you a Sony fanboy\troll because i see your comments all over the net on Xbox 360 topics promoting the PS3 and denouncing MS, I don’t get the urge to look for PS3
threads because i don’t have 1, you’ve made it clear on many occasions that you dislike the 360 in favour the PS3 yet you keep turning up at 360 topics doing the same thing.

You have no interest in whether 360 owners are getting treated fairly or not, you’re only here to stir things up, i’ve seen enough of your comments around the net to know that paid or not you’re still a troll.

@Sam

Really where am I all over the net? I really only post here and on wired. Neither sites are exclusive to either format. I use to have a 360 and got rid of it due to RROD. I do prefer PS3 over 360 but I don’t think the 360 software sucks. I think the hardware is flawed. I am critically of Sony as well. I stick of for things I think are unfair as you are doing but the difference is I’m not some fanboy as you are.

I never once here said the PS3 is better than the 360 in this here. I don’t think MS is some company that cares about its customers so when you and other people are saying they are doing us right by offering a 3 year warranty I say:

A) It only covers RROD not the whole console

B) If they really cared the warranty would cover the whole console or they would replace everyone’s console with the 65nm chips or at least the ones with HDMi but they don’t.

Since I see you are bringing this off topic is because you have nothing to say to back up the RROD and the 3 year warranty I assume you know this to be true about MS then.

If you feel better bashing me calling me a troll, fanboy, whatever but it doesn’t make the failure rate of the 360 any less or go away.

“September 19th, 2007 | 12:21 pm
Sam
Nobody likes the high failure rates but with a 3 year warranty i’d rather be without my 360 for a few weeks than spend months waiting for games to come out on the PS3 only to find out when they arrive that they don’t have online play, (VF5, Virtua Tennis 3, Tony Hawk’s Project or have frame rate issues (Madden, most EA games, majority of cross-platform ports)

Sony’s promised great things with the PS3 but failed to deliver, then they said wait till the killer games like Heavenly Sword and Lair arrive, well i’m glad i didn’t wait, HS has nice graphics but poor repetitive gameplay and i’m told can be finished in 7 hours play with little reason to replay it, Lair is all but unplayable and Warhawk’s single player mode was so bad that they decided to drop it all together and make it muti-player online only, i’ve played Warhawk and it’s about the best thing on the PS3 but without a single player mode and storyline it’s only half a game.

So what i’m trying to say is that to me, an unreliable console with a warranty and a huge library of great games is better than a reliable one with nothing to play”

This was your first post. You just came out and bashed the PS3. Does bashing the PS3 make the failure rate any less? Do you really believe any of these corporations care about how you feel if its not going to effect their profit?

Personally I do care that the 360 has crappy hardware as it shows that you can make crappy hardware and people will bow down before it blindly.

I like great games and I would own another 360 if MS fixed the problem. They didn’t fix the problem so they will not have my money. I’m happy with my Wii, PS3, PC and other systems.

I think you only diss me, Sam, because you have nothing esle to make you feel better.

@one

Why are you reading this article. Sam is right I have seen your Comments and a few 360 articles.

I have both PS3 and 360, and yes I have had a RRD and it was sorted well by Microsoft. I also have a car that keeps giving me problems but I am not onto Ford with silly comments I take it to the dealer and they fix it for me. I don’t scan the net for GM articles and comment on there car’s problems.

We all know the PS3 is having problems and to say I think the PS3 will be the one to have in 2009 is just silly. I bought it for 2006. I wouldn’t by a TV and leave it in the box for two years and so it will be great in 2050 . Whats the point, there will be better by then…

And just to add I have had problems with the PS3 too, it keeps freezing, which is something Sony will NOT do anything about.

But I understand why you keep reading 360 articles, I would if I only had a PS3 not really much to do on it is there , maybe you could do what other PS3 owners do mess around with the streaming stuff that shoudl keep you busy for a year or two till games come out…

@Chris

I can’t read or post on an article since I have a PS3? So only if you own a 360 can you post on 360 related articles?

I read all topics and post on all different type of topics. I think you guys have a problem with me posting since I am not slamming he PS3. If you read my first post or any I never say get a PS3 or any fanboy type of rants. I say that the 360 has bad hardware and the people who suffer are 360 owners so they should be the most vocal about getting…..a better 360.

You guys always want to bash me a mislead facts because I own a PS3? Because I’m not like 360 is the best made hardware ever?

If you notice I say things when one side is bashing another side or not using correct facts. The 360 hardware is crap but it doesn’t have to be.

Rather than act like it’s the greatest and bash anybody who says it’s not why don’t you two email people for help. Do I think the PS3 is perfect? No, but this particular article has nothing to do with it.

Also as someone who use to own a 360 and just a person in general I think I can post anywhere I please and both you guys just to get over the fact that someone doesn’t support your opinion.

I read articles while at work by the way. I’m sorry that your PS3 keeps freezing as well. I don’t scan the net like I said Wired and here basically.

I hope you two both feel better now. Bashing me will help the 360 failure rate get lower for sure

@One

“I hope you two both feel better now. Bashing me will help the 360 failure rate get lower for sure ”

Will constantly attacking 360 failure rates make PS3 games any better?

“I can’t read or post on an article since I have a PS3? So only if you own a 360 can you post on 360 related articles?”

You can read or comment on any article you want and I can call fanboy\troll on you if i see fit, this isn’t nazi Germany yet, we are all allowed our opinions and my opinion is based on the many comments of your’s i’ve read denouncing a console you don’t own.

I think you have an unhealthy obsession for trolling round Microsoft related threads and trying to stir things up but you have the right to do it and i have the right to call it.

@ Sam

You can attack me all you want, call me a fanboy, a troll whatever. Once you must be a troll to if you a searching the net looking for my posts as you say.

“You can read or comment on any article you want and I can call fanboy\troll on you if i see fit, this isn’t nazi Germany yet, we are all allowed our opinions and my opinion is based on the many comments of your’s i’ve read denouncing a console you don’t own.”

You don’t own a PS3 yet all you do is bash it. It seems like the pot calling the kettle black. So you can bash PS3 but I can’t say anything about the 360? Very fanboyish to me.

“Will constantly attacking 360 failure rates make PS3 games any better?”

I’m not even making this into a PS3 vs 360 argument because I have a PS3 and I have games to play that are damn awesome. I don’t have to attack the failure rates of the 360 I’m asking you how does attacking me help the 360 failure rates? All you do is turn it around. I answered you but you can’t answer anything.

You said you didn’t bash the PS3 but your first post that is all you did.
I only wrote this because people, like you if someone writes or says something bad about the 360 they must be a Sony fanboy or paid by Sony. If you read Daniel’s articles he has alays been pro Microsoft until his 360 died. It’s funny though as soon as he is like I don’t like the 360 I’m going PS3 and Wii he is a paid Sony guy. lol

What threads have I gone around and stirred things up? You think new consoles don’t fail as bad and the failure is made up by a bunch of fanboys. I bet you believe than MS is going to send you a Falcon 360 with 65nm chips with a sorry note attached to it for free.

I have games to play for my console once again. If you don’t like it or don’t like the games for PS3 that is your personal opinion. The fact hat the 360 has a high failure rate is not personal opinion is just fact. Sorry get over but I’m pretty sure you will post something about me, some other systems are something factual incorrect and just ignore the 360′s problem.

ffs both of you shut up, one has clearly won this argument, im bored of getting emails from you two

@One

“Once you must be a troll to if you a searching the net looking for my posts as you say.”

What makes you think your so important that i’d be searching for your comments? I google Xbox 360 news (not so strange for someone who actually owns a 360) and regularly see your anti Microsoft comments.

“I’m pretty sure you will post something about me, some other systems are something factual incorrect”

Show me something in my comment that is factually incorrect my opinions may differ from yours but there’s no miss truths.

@Steve

If you don’t like my comments skip them, you don’t have to read them and i’m certainly not going to shut up just because you said so.

I got my Xbox 360 in December 2006. My Xbox 360 died two days ago. Just in time for the Halo 3 release. It was oriented horizontally and was in a stable, dust free environment. I had it plugged directly into the wall outlet. The system displayed the three red flashing lights as soon as I turned it on. I had never had any problem with my system before this happened. I am often busy at work and only play about 5 or 6 hours a week. I know three other people who have an xbox 360 and all of theirs have broken in the last two months.
Take from this coment what you will, but remember it is only a matter of time before your 360 dies on you. By the way I don’t work for sony or nintendo.

@ Sam

“I’ve not seen any evidence that recently manifactured consoles are failing at high rates, the cases we are seeing are generally units purchased early on and in some cases those units have been repaired and failed again but a large number of complaints are bogus and come from fanboys.”

Incorrect. Elites also RROD as well as the new 360′s with HDMI and refurb units with the heatsinks added.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/wolf-in-sheep.s-clothes/hey-elites-crap-out-too-294451.php
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25917363

“Nobody knows what the failure rate is except Microsoft, some sites reported an ANONYMOUS retailer who guesstimated that it could be as high 33% and seeing how people can’t seem to survive without putting numbers and labels of everything that number has stuck.”

Well in this article they list people from Best buy, Gamestop, EB. Also it states that MS said the 360 was in the acceptable failure rate of 3-5% which was incorrect.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=119888
http://www.ripten.com/2007/07/03/failure-rate-xbox-360-high-as-33-sony-ps3-less-than-1/

Like I said I post on Wired and here. I don’t know what your talking about I’m all over the net pushing the PS3 brand. As I said before I have nothing against the 360 but it does have crappy hardware. When they sort that problem out I will pick one up again. Until they will not get my money. Any of these companies only start fixing problems when it hurts their pocket books but when people continue to praise an unrealiable system and quote a limited warranty incorrectly like its a full warranty.

Ok So you posted something about me and something incorrect. You didn’t post something about another system so I guess I got 2 out of 3.

keep making the japanese rich you fucking retards.

@One
I said,
“I’ve not seen any evidence that recently manifactured consoles are failing at high rates”

in responce to pete, who said this,

““it continues to fail 2 years into it’s production cycle, showing that they have learned nothing.”

Microsoft sold 276,700 units in the U.S. just in august, if just 1% of that batch failed that would mean 2,767 consoles, so with 360 failure rates under close scrutiny you don’t expect to see any newer consoles fail? I said I’ve not seen any evidence that recently manifactured consoles are failing at HIGH rates so nice try but what i said was not unfactual.

“Well in this article they list people from Best buy, Gamestop, EB. Also it states that MS said the 360 was in the acceptable failure rate of 3-5% which was incorrect.”

I didn’t say the 360′s failure was 3-5% and even Microsoft excepts that since originally saying that more failures came to their attention hence the 3 year RRD warranty!

I said,

“Nobody knows what the failure rate is except Microsoft, some sites reported an ANONYMOUS retailer who guesstimated that it could be as high 33% and seeing how people can’t seem to survive without putting numbers and labels of everything that number has stuck.”

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/06/26/30__failure_rate_for_the_360/1

Again nothing i said was a lie, only Microsoft know what the actual failure rate is, your link that sources former and anonymous gamestore employees may have some truth in it but it’s hardly a proven fact that 33% is the exact failure rate and it does’nt distinguish what the failure rate is for consoles produced recently.

So next time you try and dig my comments as factually incorrect try to make a valid point.

Red Ring of Death Update:
Just before I sent the 360 off to be fixed by Microsoft it started working again (get that).

Maybe it was not a RRD, there are other reasons like the TV cable could be lose and stuff. The lights are just a message system to help with faults and setup problems

But good to here all is well again.

Also on the Failure of new 360′s I think that they are very different. I have a mate that has a Elite and it is different in quite a few ways. Not just physicaly but the running of the system. It does not get as hot or make as much noise. There will always be problems with any hardware, but the new ones are definatly different.

Also i am starting to think my PS3 is a waste of maney (£500) which is over $1000. Just got HS and I finnished it in 9 hours. It cost me £40……

But the is life….

@ Sam

Well I didn’t know you meant only consoles built in August. Maybe you should have said I don’t think the failure rate is a high for consoles built in August 2007 instead of just saying newer consoles. Considering the newer consoles still have the same 90nm chips and same build as the Elite I supposed they might overheat too.

Well If you are going to backtrack or say you meant to say this or that I guess nothing you say can be incorrect since you can change it.

Doesn’t matter. Still what is the point? Oh yeah…

360′s are crappy hardware, a flaw that will not be corrected probably until the 65nm chips come out which run cooler.

The 3 year warranty covers only RROD not anything else. Your drive goes out, scratches discs, power sources goes bad, Bricks due to an update,etc you are on your own for the bill

The reason why Microsoft can get away with this is because people like you say we will support Microsoft and give them money to give us broken systems. The software is great but it doesn’t matter when the system is in a box getting shipped out to get fixed.

I think you should focus more of your energy getting the things that make you happy fixed than bashing something or someone to make yourself feel better about a system with a high failure rate.

@one

You really must be bored of you PS3 , if I was you I would buy a 360 (new this months) then you will have something in your life worth doing…

And to be honest I am happy with my 360, alot more than my PS3. In the long run the RROD may be a good thing as it will stop people modding there 360′s as you can not send them back if you have modded it. That maybe why there are so many software sales…

Also HS is very slow, don’t you think…

As usual you’re completely missing the point either deliberately or out of stupidity.

I Said,

“Microsoft sold 276,700 units in the U.S. just in august, if just 1% of that batch failed that would mean 2,767 consoles”

The month of august is irrelevant, i only used it to show that even with 1% failure rate there would still be 2,767 consoles in 1 month alone breaking and that some of them are going to be turning on the net.

Unless MS become the first company to achieve a zero failure rate, you’re still going to see some new consoles breaking.

HAVE I MADE THIS CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND YET

@Sam

You said new consoles. How am I supposed to know you meant the ones only with the HDMI? Considering nothing is different between the refurb models w/heatsink (that are still RROD) and the ones in the stores with HDMI who is to say that the failure rate is any lower? The design flaw of the 360 that casues overheating has not changed and will not be corrected until the 65nm are installed.

Microsoft sold 276,700 units in the U.S. just in august, if just 30% of that batch failed that would mean 193,690 consoles work.

That would mean that there are enough fanboys to come on the net and say my 360 works and so does my friends so there is no RROD and other fanboys are lying. The RROD people will always be in the minority and people like you will always call them bs or fanboys until it happens to you. The thing is it may never happen to you as its not a 100% failure rate. You won’t be happy until I bring you 83,010 consoles with HDMI and RROD lol.

My point is that you said things that are not true.

Pete says that its been two years since making the console and they have learned nothing. He is saying that even after two years these consoles are still failing for the same reason they have been since day one not including consoles returned due to discs scratching (which is another big problem not as big as RROD though), freezing, power supply over heating, connection issues and just other normal console stuff.

Is the 360 a badly designed bit of hardware? Yes. Can it be fiexed? Yes when the 65nm chips come out that do not produce as much heat. Until then People should yell, whine,scream, email about the console to get it completely fixed since the heatsinks are not doing it.

@Chris

“In the long run the RROD may be a good thing as it will stop people modding there 360’s as you can not send them back if you have modded it. That maybe why there are so many software sales”

So you are saying its better that RROD happens in the long run? Are you for real?. It will not stop people from modding their 360′s. All is does is stop people from playing games. Period. Leave the 360 defense to Sam please.

Hey daniel hope your system gets back pronto.

@One

“My point is that you said things that are not true”

F~*king name one then you idiot.

What is wrong with you and why are you going on about HDMI now, are you hearing voices?

Every single comment i have to try to simplify to a level you might understand and then you come up with some new crazy interpretation of what i said and where the hell did i mention HDMI for christ sake, are you really this stupid or are you trying to wind me up.

When someone blogs that their Elite or brand new or 65nm falcon or 45nm pigeon… RRDs on them it doesn’t prove that Microsoft has not fixed their hardware problems, it only proves they don’t have zero failure rate, RRD is not in it’s self a fault, it’s an indicator that there is a general hardware fault, most electrical products that have LCD dislays show a little error message when there is a fault somewhere in the unit, some have different error codes that tell the manifacturer which component is broken, the 360 red rings just indicate there is a problem somewhere in the console, so if Microsoft brings out a 22nm Parrot model with 0.001% failure rate some people are still gonna be getting RRD and you’ll probablly be there saying “look they still havent fixed the problem”

Please don’t expect any more replies from me as i’m tired of trying to dumb down my posts to a level you may understand only to find you still don’t get the point.

@Sam

“I’ve not seen any evidence that recently manifactured consoles are failing at high rates, the cases we are seeing are generally units purchased early on and in some cases those units have been repaired and failed again but a large number of complaints are bogus and come from fanboys.”

‘The cases are units generally purchased early on that are failing. A large number of those complaints are fanboys.’
If this so I why is the Elite failing at the same rate? Where are all these fanboys making up these bogus claims? Is Microsoft setting aside all that money because fanboys are talking about them on the net?

“Every single comment i have to try to simplify to a level you might understand and then you come up with some new crazy interpretation of what i said and where the hell did i mention HDMI for christ sake, are you really this stupid or are you trying to wind me up.”

Because you said the new 360′s so I assumed the ones with the HDMI.You said:
“I said I’ve not seen any evidence that recently manifactured consoles are failing at HIGH rates so nice try but what i said was not unfactual.”

Ok if you are not talking about Elites or are you talking about the 360′s in the store with HDMI, What 360′s are you talking about?????? You said the new ones so assume you know they have HDMI ports now right?
Since no changes to the hardware has been made to new units until the ones with the HDMI and the Elite model what sku of 360 are you reffering to????

Do you understand that the hardware for the 360 has no major changes to it until the new ones in stores came out an that is they added HDMI and heat sinks? The 360′s that are failing from launch day share the same problem that the 360′s in the store now. added the heat sink helps but they are still failing at a high rate. Where have they fixed the problem Sam? It doesn’t show on the hardware side so is there a magical software called ‘Cool Down’ the game that cools your 360 off?

“If you’re not already getting paid by Sony i think you should drop them a line and get them to bankroll you for all the hard work you’ve put in as i see your PR work all over the net.”

Still wonder where you see me all over the net. I told you I post here and Wired so if those two sites consist of the then you are telling the truth if not then quit the lies.

“because while you’re trolling around the net trying to make converts.”

Have I once said go buy a PS3? Or a Wii? What am I trying to convert you to? I guess I’m trying to convince you to fight for a more reliable 360 but you don’t want that.

I noticed I asked you why do you bash the PS3 when it has nothing to do with the failure rate of the system and you said:

“And if you had read my comment you would know

“I brought up the PS2’s DRE problems not to justify the 360’s failure rate but in responce to another comment that PS3’s reliability would sell more systems””

But yet I asked why your first post @ September 19th, 2007 | 12:21 pm was just bashing the PS3? You still act like you only responded with the PS2′s DRE problems. Your first post bashed the PS3 and I asked what does that have to do with the 360 failure rates? Go ahead scroll up look at your first post. I’ll wait.

Sorry new rules, i don’t do conversations with 9 year old fanboys, have a good life cya.

Ok nuff said. You say things Sam and can’t back it up. Just like a fanboy. Talk trash about things and people. Sell you 360 please and leave the whole video game stuff to people who care about games. Thank you.

everyone if you wont to stop this scandal that microsoft did with the xbox 360 and try and get a global recall thaen sign this petition http://www.xbox-petition.com/EN/ and all of you that have not had the red ring of death sign any way because odds are your xbox 360 will have the same problem. It doesn’t matter if you have an xbox 360 acard to xbox 360 elite

not to worry, theres a simple fix. take four pieces of an eraser and some double sided tape, then it runs smoother than before. if you have any other problems, feel free to contact me at zephyrthedragon@hotmail.com or visit my DA profile at http://www.mephilesthedark-44.deviantart.com ( a common mistake made is mistaking four red lights as the ring of death, but it meens the audio and vidio cords are not plugged in right )

im going to buy xbox 360 with gta 4 for £159.99 and i dont know if i shoudl becouse of the “ring of death” please write to me at cracovia2004@interia.pl and tell me what i shoudl do!

nah dude thats not the real red ring of death that just means your shit is over heating i had that same sequence of red lights and i read this other sites crap and then i put my xbox on that retangle power thing that connects to the xbox and it works now

I, sadly. though that my 360 wouldn’t breakdown like all the others but, it did.
It really unfair for Microsoft to make a faulty product and do nothing about it I bought a new 360 and that, too, got the RROD.

HI THERE YOU RIGHT I HAVE COLLECTED LOTS OF CONSOLES OVER THE YEARS I NOTICE THAT FLASH SYSTEMS WILL NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF PROBLEM SOO I HAVE PUT IN REQWEST FOR A 128 GB SSD SOLID STATE FLASH DRIVE FOR THE X-BOX 720 THEY HAVE TIME TOO UPGRADE TOO A SSD SOLID STATE FLASH DRIVE

You shouldn’t for that much i can sell you a fixed xbox 360 and GTA IV for $150