Sony PS3 to Become Nintendo Wii with VR/3D Game Controller

yo says:

Draken.

With regards to PS2 and xbox we are not talking leaps in difference with the graphics, games like Burnout on PS2 nearly matched xbox. But guess what? many of the later 3rd party PS2 games had been ports from Xbox becasue the devs simply chose to build the codes for the xbox and port in over to PS2. Xbox had the better graphics but the games were all about FPS. If the xbox had all the games that was on PS2, then you would have seen people buy the xbox version over the PS2 version due to the better gfx. Nintendo fans maybe not like that even though you all said that cubes version of RE4 is better than the PS2’s because of the better gfx, Nintendo fans seemed to boast about the better gfx then, just a bunch of hypocrites. Just because you don’t have the next-gen gfx you change your tune. Yourself may seem that gfx aren’t important but you do not speak for the majority out there who do not visit game forums. The first thing casualers say when they see a PS3 game or a 360 game is woah, look at those gfx, its just the way everyones mind works. They expect to see better gfx from new better hardware. I’m just waiting to see where the Wii stands in terms of sales when they’ve gotten through all the fanboys.

I also never said that better gfx make a better game but I think they can. Take Gears for example, without those gfx the game lacks the appeal. The blood effects adds to the gameplay because it gives you a buzz when you buzzsaw the enemy to death. Lesser gfx and that game woould have seen a lower rating score from game sites and thats a fact. What wrong with having a great game and making it look much more prettier? You telling me you wouldn’t have chosen a much more visually appealing HD Zelda over the one thats out now if it still had the same wii-mote gameplay? You’ll probably say no for argument sake? Having realistic surroundings and environments gives the feeling that you are there. Seeing emotions on characters is more realistic and makes you feel your envolved in the story when they tell it which is much better than bland animations and visuals?
I’m defiantly not saying that its gfx first, gameplay second. I’m saying gameplay with added gfx is better than just gameplay as long as the gameplay is good of cause. I would never play a game if it had the best gfx and the worst gameplay.

For you lot it may seem that its a typical Sony fanboy and only Sony fanboys defend their fave console and bash others but its the same for all 3. I never bother defending PS3 unless I see uneccassary attacks at Sony PS3 from Nintendo or xbox fans. So usually I stay away from these arguments becasue every poster thinks they’re right and I do too. You’ll are believing that I am wrong and you are right and its vise-versa, nothing wrong with that, just our opinions. I even don’t bother going in gamespot forums no more becasue the slightest bit of news about Sony turns into a systemwars and you can’t say that Sony fanboys are the worst when you see other fanboys attacking every Sony thread. So I’m not someone that would go out of my way personally to bash a console but may only give it back if received first. I am someone that would most defiantly buy a Wii if I felt there were going to be some awesome games coming out and one or two isn’t good enough for me. I’ve played all the systems from the retro days to the 2d and then 3d and now HD and I was never hooked until I stared playing PS1 games. I liked games before this and my mate had a saturn but still wasn’t there. And then I had the PS1 for a few days with Tomb Raider and then it happened. I just couldn’t stop playing PS1 games, it was the first time I felt that I wanted to play games on a daily basis and the first time I was anticipating future games for that system. Still at that time I didn’t feel the games that my mate had for his Saturn were any good camparing. So it must be the type of games that come to the Playstation platforms that appeal more to me than they would to you and its just down to preference, like a certain type of music or movies.
Maybe we just all have to accept that all 3 platforms have great games that appeal to different people. What I like you may not and vise-versa.

yo says:

I agree about what you said about Sony’s claims before and after the PS3 launch.

With me I’m the opposite of those older games. For RE4 all the effort, cost and development time was well worth it and justifies a higher price tag. I am enjoying games more now than I ever did when I was a kid with those Sega and Nintendo games. Even though I had a Snes, Genesis/Megadrive and even an Amiga 500+, I was very much an active kid and mostly spent my play time outdoors with friends. The games weren’t very appealing for me as I would get bored very quickly and was never anticipating another game. Also generally you tend to joy most things when you were a kid. The cartoons were better than today, so was the movies and other things, it’s not because those things were better, its just that we were kids and everything seems that it was better back then. My mate like the classics much more than today’s games and says that games were good when he was a kid. My response to him is that everything is good when you’re a kid. He like Star Wars and says that the last 3 episodes from years ago are much better than the newer ones. And again I say to him “it’s because you were a kid when you watched them, the chances are that if you had missed out and just recently watched them for the first time, you may not think that they were as good”
It’s the same for games, but for me those classics are not as good as they used to be. I’ve got the Sega collection, Capcom classics and Konami classics for PSP (using firmware custom 3.4) and thought all those classics that I liked as a kid are now crap. So when you compare gameplay in games like RE4 to Mario 3, well for me there is no comparison, RE4 blows Mario away but I guarantee that RE4 would not have the same effect if it didn’t have those 3d graphic. IF it had been in 2d form, then you wouldn’t have seen any interest for it.
Really you only speak for your self when you say ‘do we play them more’ yes some of us do. For many the reasons for not playing as much games is down to people growing up with kids and having a job so they don’t have the time to play them, not down to the games sucking more.

About developers flocking to the console with the most power, given the opportunity I think that most would. But this is a market about money and these publishers want to make the games for where the money is for the cheapest cost possible.
Take a very talented 3d animator, do you think that person is fulfilling their needs doing animation in basic 2d or 3d knowing that there are so much more powerful tools that they’d could be using? The same goes for other areas in game development. Some of the most talented people in the business are working with the most powerful hardware with exception of a few others. But not everyone can work with this so for others a job is a job. Not to slag the DS off but a top developer could go to talented members of a development team whose game development has solely been for the DS. And this developer could give them all a job offer for the same salary, to develop a new game for next-gen system and PC. And you’ll see all of them jump aboard quicker than Jack Sparrow. I mean you have ex-Nintendo devs working with much more powerful hardware. Many of the team from the Golden eye game on Cube are now on working on Haze. And if you asked them if they would prefer to work on less powerful equipment on another console they probably say no
Yes I can see all members of development teams around the world happy in their work because there all doing what they love. But I still believe that the majority would love to work with the most powerful tools. Imagine the Crysis developer went to all their team and said after Crysis we’re gonna develop for the PS2. All the team members would leave. This is why that the biggest game for next-gen console, when they port them over to weaker consoles like handheld they get other teams to do it for them. Even Wii as well as PS2 will have different team members from the original team porting it over.

Quote: ‘Having monster graphics means that you need more people, and more time, and more development costs’

And yet despite this Hundreds of developer companies around the world are doing this right now. They’re willing to put in more time, money, effort and resources to create these games because this is what they want to do. They want to be working with powerful hardware like PS3 and 360. Otherwise why are they doing it? There must be a big audience for it and a audience that’s only going to get bigger as time goes by. Having bigger and better games with better gfx is why many developers are in the business creating these games and why many of consumers are buying the hardware. If nobody wanted it then we would only be seeing games coming out for PS2 and Xbox. Why didn’t Nintendo just have the Wii-mote as an add-on for the cube? Do you think that more powerful hardware is no longer the way forward? You got Sony, Microsoft, Nvidia, Ati, intel all saying more power the better and they’ll continue to drive the market forward like this for generations, all the way till the point we all have holo-decs installed in out homes which is some way off I must admit but not impossible. They’ll continue to put in all this money and resources as long there is a market for it.
But all this is on top of good gameplay, these developers are not just making a pretty game but adding those gfx at what they believe on potentially great gameplay. They’re also trying to use the powerful hardware to add more gameplay

I am with you that I would prefer to play a good game over a mediocre game with awesome gfx but how many times do we see a mediocre game with awesome gfx? Good gfx yes but its usually awesome gfx comes with good gameplay. I don’t think I’ve seen a review score that says 9/10 for gfx and 6/10 for gameplay for the same game. You chose the only answer, gameplay with good gfx over just gameplay and that’s my point. Everyone sees it like this; people generally chose the version with the better gfx. There has been a few ports of 360 games to PS3 where the PS3 version has lacked a little in gfx but even with the added content, features or gameplay, gamers with both systems chose to buy the 360 version, it’s just the way people are. That minor difference in visual quality made a huge difference in which version to choose. People all over the world are slowly buying into the HD market and are demanding more content all the time. Black + white TV is a huge difference from a visual experience stand point over a colour TV yet I bet due to cost it took time before people got their first colour TV. Its the same with HD, its not that nobody want it, its just costly and it will take time before they replace their standard TV for a HD one. And in time we all will have HD sets watching HD programs and movies. And it is hard to go back, try setting you monitor resolution to 800×600, you’ll soon go back to your highest again, lol.
So with the PS3 and 360 your going to be seeing good gameplay with awesome gfx just like you said you prefer because everyone does over just gameplay. What the Wii has to do is convince everyone that the gameplay is above anything else out there but I don’t think it has done this. Your seeing many ports to the Wii from 360 that the Wii-mote only adds gimmicky elements and same with ports form PS2 not adding any must have features to it. (Although the control for Scarface on the Wii has it spot on probably making it the better version) The games have to be built from the ground up and utilise the Wii and this is happening but the games are more family fun party games. The big AAA titles for Wii can be done using a standard cube controller.

I must add that Mario Galaxy is the one game that shows the true potential of the Wii’s power although miles from what PS3 and 360 are doing. Mario Galaxy from when it was first seen became the most anticipated title for the Wii for many people and this is before they really know if the gameplay is any good. It was the gfx that did it, seeing that Mario Galaxy had the best gfx for the Wii so far has for many Wii fans become their favourite game. Its funny that RE4 had this same impact and you say gfx don’t make a winner? They surely help though.

yo says:

We are seeing that we’re totally different type of gamers. You say that you may be playing RE4 for some months. I had it over a year ago and I played through to the end once and that was it, back to the store for a trade. I’ve always done it like this never playing a game through twice and I’ve had hundreds of games through the last decade. It’s not like a movie for me where you can watch the movie again; it’s only around 2hrs long. Play a game for the second time and it’s not as good; it’s lost its appeal. I’ve seen it done that and don’t really want to do it again. I’m always after the next game. I’ve recently stopped buying my games and just renting them out using a monthly subscription. So when I’ve completed it or just got bored I send it pack through the post, its great.

Playing the cube version of Zelda over the Wii version and I don’t think you’ll be missing out. You’ll get to see and do all the same things, and see the same story develop in the cube version. The Wii version is just giving you another method to cast your rod and a different aim method. I bet the cube version has better camera controls as the left stick would give you full control over the camera. So in terms of gameplay improvements I don’t see any. Using the Wii-mote on Zelda and you get the same output on screen as with using a cube controller, you’re just using a different input. Give us the games where you see a different output too your actions and then we’re talking.

At the point, judging from the crop of games that are available, the PS3 hasn’t shown us better gfx than the 360. In its early stage the PS3 gfx has matched it with some of its games. Motorstorm probably the only one that’s above the rest. From what I’m seeing coming this year, there is a leap in gfx over the 360 but it’s not huge like you say. It’s going to take some time like with PS2 and PS1 (we’re starting to see it with PSP) give it another 2 years and the games will make this years look crap, well that’s the theory anyway.
Your right it is the hardcore mainly buying the PS3. There will be many more Playstation fans that have yet to pick up a PS3. Many will be waiting for this holidays and the majority I would say are waiting for a price drop of say $100 in US, 100EUR or £75 in UK. The majority of PS2 owners are casualers and didn’t buy into the PS2 until later in the console life. This could have been down to a lower price or much more games. Also the PS2 popularity could have been the main benefactor to encourage more PS2’s or it could have been down to the DVD player. The same thing is possible with the Wii being popular but I don’t think it will ever be on the same scale as PS2.
The PS3 will have a slower start than PS2 to reach the popularity stage. But a price drop is inevitable and a possibility that consumers will see the true value of owning a PS3 with built in blu-ray player. Because blu-ray is favourite to become the next format and it’s only a matter of time that the mainstream will want one and PS3 is a good option over the other players just like PS2 was for a DVD player. And this time round the blu-ray player is a good one rather than the poor DVD player in the PS2 which Phil Harrison finally admitted too. And at that point of the blu-ray generation there would be so much more great games available. The PS3 isn’t there now because it’s been built to be future proof as with the other consoles they have not. The Wii is very much the now, it is hard to predict if its still has the same impact in a few years.
Until a few years have past we can see where all 3 consoles are going, now that we got past the fanbase. 360 got to it 10 million and has completely slowed down, the total hardcore fanbase all must own a 360 now as there is nothing on xbox holding them back. As the casualer bought the PS2’s in the last gen (and I can remember how the Nintendo bashers would bash the PS2 for being a casual console, tune changed again) I would say that the Nintendo faithful was the ones who bought a cube and as the cube reached 20 million, could it possibly mean there are 20 million Nintendo fans out there? Without a doubt the Wii will reach 20 million, it’s once we’ve got the fanbase out of the way and see how far it can go then, same with the others.

Even with the PSP it can eventually reach high numbers. The last I read recently the sale of DS and PSP were at 40 million and 25 million respectfully. So the PSP counts for 38% of the sales, just more than a third isn’t bad considering it had a higher price and had too many ports of PS2 and sequels. There are a few games out now and coming that make the PSP worth buying for and people are still buying it, and the recent price drops has spurred sales some more. The PSP will hit that magic 99 price tag and the PSP will see its best year in sales. The DS will no doubt reach 75 million mark where I think that was the GBA total sales and I think PSP can reach 50 million. There is a good chance that in the end the PSP can have 45% of the market which is a good market share. Nintendo once had 99% of the handheld market. This can possibly be the same numbers for the Wii and PS3 in 4 years (not counting 360 in the total sales) but the PS3 will carry on for another 5.

yo says:

Johnny,

You obviously live in a different Universe?

“they just regurgitate the same old crap year after year”

But that’s where you are wrong, games on a SOny platform are games you would play if there were on a Nintendo platform instead and never made it to a PS. Its just that you got Nintendo shit in your eyes and can’t see behond them. And if there is to be a FIFa 2082 it will be on every console including the one you stick you dick in. And in the year 2082 which you most likely be dead, if we are to see FIFA 2082 what would you think that would be like? most likely feel you are really there inside the stadium with everyone singing you name no doubt.
Its nice to see your belief that a Sony console will be around in 2082.

Proud PS3 Owner says:

Hello everyone, your all so quick to judge its early days for the ps3, go and check out the eye toy for the ps3 there is videos on youtube.com its gonna blow away the wiimote. think too the future people, right bye bye im gonna watch a blue-ray film. mwah