Sony PS3 to Become Nintendo Wii with VR/3D Game Controller
May 25, 2007 | Filed under Computers
The Nintendo Wii might not be the best in graphics but it has to be said that it is a great way to exercise.
Sony has come up with an idea to help with the slow selling PS3 against the very popular Wii.
Sony’s plan of attack is to develop a VR/3-D controller which will be a handheld computer interactive device.
The VR/3-D is meant to be able to take the abilities of the Wii controller a step further.
The sensors in the glove can be triggered by your fingers individually which will help you grasp objects or use each finger to do a different function.
We all know that lately that Virtual Reality/3D game control devices have been the rage for example the Wii Remote, but the Wii remote can only track your 3D hand movements the VR gloves can capture a wider array of control movements.
What if you could have a device that was as easy to use as the Wii controller but could capture all of your hand movements including your fingers this would be cool.
Well Sony thinks so too and may have a 3D PS3 game controller to prove it.
Let’s just hope it is as good as it sounds.
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This will be disastrous for them if they rush this. Talk about desperation.
This is nothing but a glorified power glove. Sony screwed themselves with that wanna be computer (PS3) and now they are trying to steal Nintendo’s thunder. So sad…
Is that a box and not a grill in the middle of the diagram. It looks like a PS2 and not the PS$ in the image, so Sony could have been working on it for some time and couldn’t get it to work or thought the audience was limited for it.
It does look to lack the point and click ability that the Wii remote has. So I can’t see this as a direct replacement to what Nintendo is doing. To me, this is gimmicky compared to what Nintendo has accomplished with the Wii controller. Nintendo gabled on their system, just like they did with the DS. Both Sony and Microsoft played it safe, and I think Microsoft was smart by coming out first… maybe they knew something about the Nintendo was going to do based on foresight into what the DS was doing.
Also not everyone is going to want to rush out and buy a set of these and the $50 controller that most PS3 games wll need anyways. Also, since this is not part of the shipping product, we know how the add-ons usually go and that is not very far in the bigger picture of things most of the time.
While the Wii controller is not perfect, these just scream acky joints in the hand and wrst compared to the Wii controller.
I can see someone desperate out there. While Microsoft puts its high ranking executives to berate at the Wii and Sony as usual is trying to come up with derivative products copied from succesful and truly original ideas, Nintendo is actually reinventing the way we see video games.
They might not be perfect, but i like the way the big N makes its bussines and I´m sticking wiht them for another 15 years.
there is nothing sony can do to get back in the market, they lied and screwed the entire gaming community (developers and gamers) so badly that even if this thing was the god of gaming, no one will care and wait for something similar from nintendo because sony has really put a black mark in the wallet.
Good on ya nintendo, firm and solid company
y’all can say all you want about Sony, but this evidence the ease of abilities to add on to powerful technology rather then add technology to temp market buzz. In english, possibility for ps3 is end less while wii is already as good as it can get. Been cute can only get you so far.
First of all the date on this patent is AINCENT!
Second it’s not for games it’s for PCs. It’s their finger mouse for laptops.
what do you mean possibility for ps3 is endless? That’s why developers are way less willing to develop games for ps3 than for the wii? PS3 already lost metal gear solid. Copying nintendo just proves the great idea of Nintendo even more…
This old news that has already been debunked as a viable home console controller. This is a complete BS story. Sony has never intended this for the home market. The patent is several years old. This has great commercial and design potential. Unfortunately(bu t predictably) it is not an original idea of Sony’s. These devices are being used currenly in technological and medical research. And could you imagine the sweat rash after holding these things a couple hours a day? Would it come with lotion? It would have to come in different sizes as well. Does this sound profitable to you? Think then speak people.
Dang Sony, could ya be any more desperate or pathetic? First a $700 system forced on Sony-lovers, now this. With how Sony try to leach money off of everything, this VR/3D Game Controller thing will probably cost as much as the Wii itself.
Haruku.
This is what Sony has been talking about all this time. Ever since the movie Minority Report in I think 2001 Sony has said they’ve always wanted to replicate the motion gloves that Tom Cruise uses. There are inteviews from Phil Harison dated in 2002 with him talking about motion control and patents that have been filed with motion technology all way before Nintendo had the idea to add motion control. Sony copied Nintendo? give me a break. Sony has interviews, article wriiten upon it, patents filed all for motion control and eyetoy with motion control all before Nintendo announced it. Nintendo came up with motion controllers first why becasue they announced it first? no its not who announces it first came up with the idea first. You have motion control for the PS2 so because Nintendo annouced it for the Wii does this mean Sony can’t have motion for the PS3? Bollocks to that, Nintendo copied and they are ruthless business men just like everyone else. You are in a belief that the boses at nintendo are angels.
And Sony hasn’t lost Metal Gear, it has to be announced that Metal Gear is going to 360 not rumoured. If you believe in rumours than heres one for ya, Nintendo is leaving the console race. But then you only choose what you want to believe as long as it make you happy and its possitive towards Nintendo. Developers are praising the PS3 more and more and there is going to be more Killer apps this year for PS3 than any other console. You also now getting developers building their codes for PS3 and then going to port them to 360. It was 360 first because they have been making these games for a while now and only had 360 development kit long before PS3 kits, so they’ve had no choice to develop for the 360 first. Now that the PS3 kits are there and Sony providing them with more tools and better support. The developers are slowly getting grips with the PS3’s arcitecture and staring to develop for PS3 first. More developers are coming out saying how powerful the PS3 is. You may say that all because they are with Sony but your wrong on most off that. 2nd party yes they’re bound to say this however Lair, Resistance are 3rd party and are independent, they choose to develop for the PS3 over the rest. Lair guys made the Star Wars games on Gamecube and now they choose the PS3 even though its the most difficult to develop for out of the 3. Ninja Theory seem to only develop for the most powerfullist thats why the went to the xbox from PS2 and now there coming back to the PS3 with rumoured of a next Dead or Alive being exclusive to PS3. I take this with a pick of salt but won’t say it can’t happen if Ninja Theory love the more powerful console. Haze is another where its being built from the ground up for the PS3, this is why its a timed exclusive. Another thing about Metal Gear being exclusive is that Hideo Kojima has already stated that he wants to utilise the blu-ray disc and DVD 9 is just not big enough. He has also dead that everyone of his team is dedicated to developing Metal Gear on PS3 dev kits for the PS3. He says he would never split his team to work on 2 different platform simultanously. If there was to be a metal gear on 360 the PS3 version would have been on the store shelf way before they started on the 360 so it could be like a year or more after the PS3 release before you see a 360 release. Metal Gear 3 never came to xbox.
No matter how good you think the wii-mote is the fact is that it only works for gimmicky party games, those type of games get boring quick and the Wii lacks AAA titles. I’ve read so many posts from people who got bored after 2 weeks, the motion control wears off just like anything else. At the end of the day its all about the quality of the games not how we play them but what we play. The only way to keep playing is to constently have a good line-up of quality games. otherwise you stop playing. PS3 had a better launch line-up than the Wii.If the PS3 had a lower price then every PS fanwould have bought one. The Wii has a low price point and thats a main factor for the Nintendo fans to buy one and don’t forget you nintendo fans have had a gap from console games due to the lack of anything for the cube for the remainder of 2 years of the cubes life, so your bound to jump to the Wii. The Wii hasn’t been bought for the many titles available but rather for the wii-mote, but then the games stop and you end up using the virtual pad more than the wii-mote for the virtual Console games. And the excitement of the motion control fades and its all down to the games again and thats where the fun ends when you find it a constent release of party games all the time and no real killer apps or AAA titles form 3rd publishers. 3rd Publishers are also losing out and getting frustrated with sales as the Majority of software sales is coming from Nintedo and this shouldn’t be the case, its lucy for some that Wii development isn’t constly when they make simple games with no gfx, AI, physics, etc.
My mates has been holding back buying a Wii till Metroid and Mario Galaxy comes. He is a biased Nintendo fan and he honestly said that he’d be lying if he said that he’s looking forward to loads of games, thats the only 2 he wants and Zelda isn’t enough to buy a console for. At the end of the year when more titles come for the holiday season the only ones buying Wii titles will be Nintendo fans and a small minority of kids buying fun games and shrek type games. There isn’t anything to look forward to, the Wii’s out, the buzz is gone for its capabilities and the console won’t evolve and Nintendo say they want to sell 35 million in the US in 5 years. The technology was out of date when they first came up with the specs. 2012 we will all have HD TV’s with HD content all around us and the Wii will be the only ones with out it all. Its like if 1st ipods are still selling now. It gets old and people want the next thing. The PS2 lasted becasue of the amount of quality titles through the years that kept it alive. This isn’t going to happen with the Wii and will end up like the Cube. Wii sales are only slightly better than what the Cube was in the same time period and probably less than what the N64 was. Its always a promissing start then after acceleration a complete halt, very much like the cheetah. Sony products are like a running camel in the desert, not as fast but can keep up the pace longer than anything else.
There is so much more as well about the PS3’s evolvment and soon everyone will be buying Blu-ray players when Blu-ray is the next format and the heavens are saying it will. Nintendo fans will be eating there words in the future and I can’t wait.
Another thing about the Developers speaking out about PS3’s powerand if you still think there bound to say that bollock argument, then here’s one for ya. EA came out and said that developers need cell for FPS. I’ve read cooments on this saying bull Gears looks great and Call of duty 3 and what have you. But EA is thinking way more advanced than those game and there talking not just graphically better but AI, lighting, Physics etc. If there were 50 million PS3’s out there and 50 million 360’s and every developer was 3rd party not and not willing to be exclusive to one platform and I’m talking every developer, even the ones for Nintendo. But all these developers had been given the choice to choose between development for the PS3 haedware or the 360 hardware, lets say for argument sake that it was an international law that they could only choose one. I would say that they would all choose PS3 or nearly all at the least. With 100 % development behind one machine they’ll know that they would get more from the PS3’s power. EA have also said judge the PS3’s graphics in 2 years becasue we all know that thise is the case with Playstation platform, unlike the rest playstations arcitecutre take time to get to grips with and games improve graphically over the years. We saw it with PS1, then PS2 and now we’re begining to see it with PSP. GOW 2 now looks like its on another more powerful hardware when you campare it to PS2 games 7 years ago. All the devs know this is going to happen with PS3. In 2 years time there wil be much a bigger leap in visuals than you will see with 360, and then it will get better then better. In 5 years the PS3 with updated features and improved graphics wil make it seem PS3.5. Microsoft will have to bring out another console to compete. Put it this way, the PS3 has more chance of doing Crysis graphics than 360 has, maybe not right now but I few years, a possibility.
You think Sony came up with the idea of motion sensing? Are you joking? Only a Sony fanboy could possibly overlook Kirby’s Tilt and Rumble - released on Gameboy Colour. Don’t even try and claim Phil Harrison came up with Motion sensing, he just jumped on the bandwagon and tried to claim it for Sony. Which is exactly what they did with the original rumble pack on N64. Nintendo announce a rumble pack, and before you know it, Sony sticks a poor rip-off in their controllers.
You are so ignorant if you really think the console race is just about graphics - to use the PS3’s full potential requires insane levels of investment in game development, which no one is going to do unless they can guarantee the game is going to sell. Goodbye innovation, goodbye new titles - you’d better get used to GTA 15, Fifa 2020 etc. Sequel central on PS3.
And as for there being no AAA titles on Wii - there’s Zelda now, Mario Galaxy coming, Metroid, Mario Kart, Smash…sure, the list of top notch titles on Nintendo platforms is smaller than on other consoles, but the quality is out of this world. Nintendo’s first party games put anything you can find on Sony platforms to shame.
And before you jump on the ’slag off the wiimote’ bandwagon, I suggest you read some reviews about other games - ign.com has given its seal of approval to both mario strikers charged and mario galaxy, both of which use the wiimote. So that’s a football game and a platformer.
Seriously, put down your PS3 controller, open the curtains and get a life.
finaly i can give my virtual boy a rest
I think Nintendo is on to something and the rants I have seen from the PS3 crowd only prove the point. Have you noticed the adjectives used by most of the Wii bashers? They are generally rude, foul and remind me of the linguistic style used by groups of teens trying to impress one another by being openly rude to adults and family who pass by (I’m sure you have seen them at the mall or outside the movie theatre). That is the demographic for the PS3. Nintendo has basically left much of that demographic for 360 / PS3 to battle out. Which one will prove to be able to show the most realistic light shading on the side of some hapless character’s head as his brains flow out and his pixilated soul leaves him forever is anyone’s guess. I’m sure that there is quite a bit of technological overhead to such an awesome feat of raw graphical artistry. And don’t get me started on AI. I mean, if you connect me to a community, I’d take another human player over AI any day. Wouldn’t you? That’s where the fun will start (all three console makers need to work on that end of the market). Many of you are correct; PS3 wins on power, on super AI potential, and on super graphics. PS3 made the next generation extreme geek-game machine. Unfortunately, they priced themselves out of the demographic (they should have let blue ray go). Nintendo made a box that can touch at that demographic (albeit barely) and also own (and dominate) a newly opened general home console game market (smart for Nintendo since there are, well, more folks out there that aren’t extreme game-geeks). I mean, if all these super-knowledgeable game-geeks all agree that the Wii is so completely inadequate, how could the Wii continue to sell so well month after month after month? How could software companies move their priorities to the Wii? Could these knowledgeable game-geeks be missing something — I mean they ARE the dominate force in the game market aren’t they? Aren’t they indeed. Wake up, boys - you don’t own the concept of a home console. Perhaps the FPS on the exquisitely shadowed corpse come to life isn’t all that important to a larger market. Perhaps you are the niche of a larger market. The console market is a long game, but this isn’t January where Sony was telling people to wait for the real story. Game makers have shifted to the numbers and game titles are going to shift to the demographic as well. This is just a classic example of Guns VS Butter economics. Game makers are going to make what sells. Perhaps Nintendo has shown them that other things can sell besides bloodlust, horror and raw rendering power. Don’t worry; there will still be a niche for the “extreme player”. It would be stupid for game makers or console manufactures to ignore you completely. Just like the movie market, they will continue to make things that pander to you (and the rest of us will have to continue putting up with your comments as we walk by). Just watch the language around my kids, OK?
Someone mentioned how the PS3 has endless capabilities, which is a load of lies. Think about it this way Sony is using a 8Cell processor while other companies are planning to release 64cell processors, which will basically eclipse the platform.
Developers are already mentioning how Sonys PS3 is handicapped due to its limited 256 memory compared to the 512 memory in the 360’s GPU (graphical processing unit). Lets use Army of two for example which can run easily at 60FPS (frames per seond) on the 360, while Army fo two can only run at 28 FPS on the PS3.
Wii architecture will improve more over the coming years as developers have hardly been harnessing its powers so far. If we use Super Mario Galaxy as an example it looks like an advanced PS3 game. Wii has the ability to mimic any high end graphics shown on the PS3, only it is limited to how much it can display.
Now on to processing, 360 uses 3 3.4GHZ processors which can access a large amount of RAM memory for storing data, while the PS3 uses 8 much smaller processors. This means that it is harder to stream data from the PS3, but easier on the 360. For the sake of arguing the difference between the PS3/360/Wii is minor, even though the processing power is much higher in the first two aformentioned platforms, reason? This is because to get noticable differences in AI or physics much higher processing is needed (alot higher than that shown in the current next gen platforms). This is because due to the amount of characters shown the allocated code is only slightly higher in next gen platforms, but to get a significant difference a much higher amount of coding is difference.
Crysis being an example, which is impossible on PS3 or 360.
“Developers are already mentioning how Sonys PS3 is handicapped due to its limited 256 memory compared to the 512 memory in the 360’s GPU”
Devs have not mentioned anything about the limitation of Sony’s PS3 256ram beause the PS3 has 512ram. 256ram is dedicated to the gpu but it can borrow memory from the other 256ram thats dedicate to the cell. The 360’s gpu and cpu share the 512ram so does the ps3. Did you think that the 360’s gpu used all the 512mb ram? what does the cpu use. And your claims about Army of Two are false.
Booya, can you read? Saying Sony came up with an idea to use motion control does not mean Sony invented motion contol. Van Gogh had the idea of a flying contraption, does this mean the Wright brothers copied him? Or did they one day come up with the idea to create an engine airplane? I was stating that Sony and I didn’t say Phil, came up with a idea to use motion control for their playstation consoles. The patents and interviews are there all before Nintendo thought of it. I used think of it in the 16bit era, does this mean everyone is copying me?
Nintendo added the analog, so Sony did. Nintendo added the rumble, so Sony did. This time Sony added motion i.e eyetoy, came up with patents and there are interviews about adding motion, and then Nintendo did. The fact is all Nintendo’s actions with involvment with the wii-mote happened after Sony actions with what they were planning. So Nintendo came publically first, what a difference it would have made if Sony announced motion control a year earlier.
So you think Sony copied Nintendo do you? how long after Nintendo’s first showing of the wii-mote was it when Sony demoed sixaxis control in Warhawk, 5, 6 months? Are you saying that Sony designed, built, tested, patened it and had it working all in 5 months and this was all from scratch. not a chance, it takes longer for the patent to be granted. Sony had it up and running so quick due to the fact they’d been working on it for a few years, at least since 2004.
What is it with you lot? can’t accept the truth and that your faithful Nintendo isn’t all what there cracked to be.
I mention that there are no AAA titles out for the Wii and your respone to name one thats now a yesterday’s game naming Zelda, and 2 titles that are not even out yet. Never liked mario kart, Metroid on n64 are great but not system sellers but Metroid 3 didn’t look that good. Mario Strikers isn’t for me, give me Pro Soccer as I’m a soccer fan and Mario strikers seems to ruin the game of soccer, if you want a soccer game, Mario Strikers isn’t it, but it does look like multiplayer fun for others. Galaxy would be the only game for me to pick up if I owned a Wii, so where’s the games now and where are they for rest of this year?
You talk about no devs wanting to invest in PS3? You obviously don’t check want games are coming for PS3 and read into them. There are a shit load of new IP’s coming and with plenty of investment, this is what devs want to do. If 360 and PS3 died tomorrow so will the majority of the Development companies because they want to produce these sort of games. Its like asking these Hollywood film studios to stop pumping big money into all the specail effects and amazing stunts and go back to making films with less money and older technology. Some studios may accept it and go where the money is but there will be plenty of Directors wanting to make the biggest and best films, its the same with game developers.
So yes Sony will have many sequels allot some bad and some amazing but they don’t have more sequels than Nintendo does. You say GTA15, bring it on if its any good, are we already past Mario 15 and Zelda 15? When GTA15 comes out you’d be on the same number with an added naught. At least every GTA has a different story line. Zelda’s and Marios recycle theirs time and time again. What about the other Wii sequels, all those brain games and Mario Party bollocks? Tell you what, if Sony gets rid of all their sequals Nintendo should get rid of theirs. Oh, dear no more games for Nintendo fans but quirky childish party games, but at least it gets you out of your bedroom and spend more time with your parents.
Another thing about devs ambitions. I do think the Wii’s hardware limits the devs, there making simple games at where they think the money will be. Do you think that a company like Ubisoft will gets all there best programmers, 3d artist, graphic designers, coders etc, and allow them to make the game Rayman Ravin Rabbids 2? No not a chance, the most talented will be working on the big games and the not so good will be on the smaller games. Imagine what the Zelda game would have been like if it was built from the ground up from for the PS3? So much more could have been done, their own imagination would have been their limit and not the limitations of the hardware like the Wii or cube or is that the same thing? I bet the devs wanted to implement things in the game but couldn’t in the end due to limitation in the hardware. Miyamoto is a genius but imagine he was let loose to create games on better hardware, just imagine what he could do, we would get to see what he really is capable of but no, Nintendo have locked in his cage in Nintendo’s basement. To me Miyamoto is like the fast F1 car that is stuck behind the slower F1 car (which is the Wii) and because of this we don’t get to see Miyamoto’s true pace until the slower car gets out of the way and Miyamoto is let free.
Oh yeah, I just been on IGN and there is no review on Mario Galaxy and sign of aproval. But it doesn’t mean squat anyway as Wii games are reviewed by the IGN Nintendo team meaning they’re Nintendo fans like you, so they’re bound to be a little biased.
About the post above, I was in no way saying that the team behind Zelda have no talent if you think thats how it sounds to you, because they have bundles of talent, just to clear that up.
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Better graphics does not automatically make a better game, m’kay? The PS2 was a lot weaker than both the GameCube and the Xbox, yet people loved it, and many many games was made for it, despite more powerful alternatives being available for the developers. Quit pretending that all professional developers somehow all hate the Wii and love the PS3.
I have nothing against an actual debate, but your comments are nothing but one large ramble of stupid arguments. Mostly about how the console with the most horsepower automatically wins no matter what, when this has not been the case EVER within gaming. The trend has just about always been that the cheaper console wins. I’m not saying that this has to be the case this time, but I find it more likely than your theory of how despite that the PS3 has almost no good games, very slow sale, and numerous attacks because of it’s overprice and other quirks, it is somehow the most popular. (just ignore that the Wii, PS2, DS, heck even GBA, still sells more than the PS3 today). The trend may change, but until it does, shut up.
As for Wii games, they will improve much too. Zelda was a GameCube title, and ported over to the Wii. Are you saying that we should wait several years to judge how good the PS3 will be, yet the Wii is okay to judge over a port that came not far after it’s release?
Draken.
With regards to PS2 and xbox we are not talking leaps in difference with the graphics, games like Burnout on PS2 nearly matched xbox. But guess what? many of the later 3rd party PS2 games had been ports from Xbox becasue the devs simply chose to build the codes for the xbox and port in over to PS2. Xbox had the better graphics but the games were all about FPS. If the xbox had all the games that was on PS2, then you would have seen people buy the xbox version over the PS2 version due to the better gfx. Nintendo fans maybe not like that even though you all said that cubes version of RE4 is better than the PS2’s because of the better gfx, Nintendo fans seemed to boast about the better gfx then, just a bunch of hypocrites. Just because you don’t have the next-gen gfx you change your tune. Yourself may seem that gfx aren’t important but you do not speak for the majority out there who do not visit game forums. The first thing casualers say when they see a PS3 game or a 360 game is woah, look at those gfx, its just the way everyones mind works. They expect to see better gfx from new better hardware. I’m just waiting to see where the Wii stands in terms of sales when they’ve gotten through all the fanboys.
I also never said that better gfx make a better game but I think they can. Take Gears for example, without those gfx the game lacks the appeal. The blood effects adds to the gameplay because it gives you a buzz when you buzzsaw the enemy to death. Lesser gfx and that game woould have seen a lower rating score from game sites and thats a fact. What wrong with having a great game and making it look much more prettier? You telling me you wouldn’t have chosen a much more visually appealing HD Zelda over the one thats out now if it still had the same wii-mote gameplay? You’ll probably say no for argument sake? Having realistic surroundings and environments gives the feeling that you are there. Seeing emotions on characters is more realistic and makes you feel your envolved in the story when they tell it which is much better than bland animations and visuals?
I’m defiantly not saying that its gfx first, gameplay second. I’m saying gameplay with added gfx is better than just gameplay as long as the gameplay is good of cause. I would never play a game if it had the best gfx and the worst gameplay.
For you lot it may seem that its a typical Sony fanboy and only Sony fanboys defend their fave console and bash others but its the same for all 3. I never bother defending PS3 unless I see uneccassary attacks at Sony PS3 from Nintendo or xbox fans. So usually I stay away from these arguments becasue every poster thinks they’re right and I do too. You’ll are believing that I am wrong and you are right and its vise-versa, nothing wrong with that, just our opinions. I even don’t bother going in gamespot forums no more becasue the slightest bit of news about Sony turns into a systemwars and you can’t say that Sony fanboys are the worst when you see other fanboys attacking every Sony thread. So I’m not someone that would go out of my way personally to bash a console but may only give it back if received first. I am someone that would most defiantly buy a Wii if I felt there were going to be some awesome games coming out and one or two isn’t good enough for me. I’ve played all the systems from the retro days to the 2d and then 3d and now HD and I was never hooked until I stared playing PS1 games. I liked games before this and my mate had a saturn but still wasn’t there. And then I had the PS1 for a few days with Tomb Raider and then it happened. I just couldn’t stop playing PS1 games, it was the first time I felt that I wanted to play games on a daily basis and the first time I was anticipating future games for that system. Still at that time I didn’t feel the games that my mate had for his Saturn were any good camparing. So it must be the type of games that come to the Playstation platforms that appeal more to me than they would to you and its just down to preference, like a certain type of music or movies.
Maybe we just all have to accept that all 3 platforms have great games that appeal to different people. What I like you may not and vise-versa.
Well, as for your question. Yes, I would pick a game with good gameplay and good gfx over that of one with just good gameplay. But, that is only because you ask a question that leads to this answer no matter what (unless you want to look like an ass on purpose).
If I had a game with bad grapics and awesome gameplay, I would pick that any day over a game with awesome grapics and moderate gameplay.
As for the GameCube’s power, I never said that it was important. I actualy said quite the opposite. I stated that power does not make the winner. While you on the other hand, said that developers would flock to the console with the most power in the end, which has clearly not been the case. Don’t accuse me of your own claims.
But, the thing is, good gfx isn’t free. Having monster graphics means that you need more people, and more time, and more development costs. This again results in that there will be less games, and those games that do come out will be more mainstream to ensure income.
Games today are much bigger than before. But, do we play them more? I don’t think I put more time into each game now (depends on what kind of game ofcourse), than I did last generation, or the generation before that. I don’t think I get more enjoyment out of RE4 (which took a lot of developers and time) today than I got out of Super Mario Bros 3 (which took a couple of developers and some month) all those years ago. Our standard has risen, but at the cost of having less games? Personaly, I don’t like it.
(before you accuse me of being a nintendo fanboy, I own most systems, including a PS1, PS2, Xbox, Xbox360, N64, GameCube, ect ect)
I have my DS now, but, sometimes I just find my old gameboy and fire up Wario land. God I love that game, despite it only being a few scales of gray, and tone music, I still find it vasty better than many games we have today.
But, anyway, back the to the real topic at hand. The PS3 may very well catch up later on, but right now, in this very moment, they are doing worse than previously estemated. There are unsold consoles everywhere I see, while Wii’s are no where to be found. Just listen to the speaches Sony made when the launched, and after. They did not count on there being a single PS3 on the selves for months. Sony fanboys usualy explain this with that the PS3 will catch up later on, but that is only something that has stated being said now recently. Some year ago, it was all “Nintendo RIP, PS3 will take everybody by storm once it comes out.”. This never happened, at all.
Unless PS3 does catch up, fewer games will come out, and no matter how an awesome console you have, without any games, you run dry pretty fast.
I agree about what you said about Sony’s claims before and after the PS3 launch.
With me I’m the opposite of those older games. For RE4 all the effort, cost and development time was well worth it and justifies a higher price tag. I am enjoying games more now than I ever did when I was a kid with those Sega and Nintendo games. Even though I had a Snes, Genesis/Megadrive and even an Amiga 500+, I was very much an active kid and mostly spent my play time outdoors with friends. The games weren’t very appealing for me as I would get bored very quickly and was never anticipating another game. Also generally you tend to joy most things when you were a kid. The cartoons were better than today, so was the movies and other things, it’s not because those things were better, its just that we were kids and everything seems that it was better back then. My mate like the classics much more than today’s games and says that games were good when he was a kid. My response to him is that everything is good when you’re a kid. He like Star Wars and says that the last 3 episodes from years ago are much better than the newer ones. And again I say to him “it’s because you were a kid when you watched them, the chances are that if you had missed out and just recently watched them for the first time, you may not think that they were as good”
It’s the same for games, but for me those classics are not as good as they used to be. I’ve got the Sega collection, Capcom classics and Konami classics for PSP (using firmware custom 3.4) and thought all those classics that I liked as a kid are now crap. So when you compare gameplay in games like RE4 to Mario 3, well for me there is no comparison, RE4 blows Mario away but I guarantee that RE4 would not have the same effect if it didn’t have those 3d graphic. IF it had been in 2d form, then you wouldn’t have seen any interest for it.
Really you only speak for your self when you say ‘do we play them more’ yes some of us do. For many the reasons for not playing as much games is down to people growing up with kids and having a job so they don’t have the time to play them, not down to the games sucking more.
About developers flocking to the console with the most power, given the opportunity I think that most would. But this is a market about money and these publishers want to make the games for where the money is for the cheapest cost possible.
Take a very talented 3d animator, do you think that person is fulfilling their needs doing animation in basic 2d or 3d knowing that there are so much more powerful tools that they’d could be using? The same goes for other areas in game development. Some of the most talented people in the business are working with the most powerful hardware with exception of a few others. But not everyone can work with this so for others a job is a job. Not to slag the DS off but a top developer could go to talented members of a development team whose game development has solely been for the DS. And this developer could give them all a job offer for the same salary, to develop a new game for next-gen system and PC. And you’ll see all of them jump aboard quicker than Jack Sparrow. I mean you have ex-Nintendo devs working with much more powerful hardware. Many of the team from the Golden eye game on Cube are now on working on Haze. And if you asked them if they would prefer to work on less powerful equipment on another console they probably say no
Yes I can see all members of development teams around the world happy in their work because there all doing what they love. But I still believe that the majority would love to work with the most powerful tools. Imagine the Crysis developer went to all their team and said after Crysis we’re gonna develop for the PS2. All the team members would leave. This is why that the biggest game for next-gen console, when they port them over to weaker consoles like handheld they get other teams to do it for them. Even Wii as well as PS2 will have different team members from the original team porting it over.
Quote: ‘Having monster graphics means that you need more people, and more time, and more development costs’
And yet despite this Hundreds of developer companies around the world are doing this right now. They’re willing to put in more time, money, effort and resources to create these games because this is what they want to do. They want to be working with powerful hardware like PS3 and 360. Otherwise why are they doing it? There must be a big audience for it and a audience that’s only going to get bigger as time goes by. Having bigger and better games with better gfx is why many developers are in the business creating these games and why many of consumers are buying the hardware. If nobody wanted it then we would only be seeing games coming out for PS2 and Xbox. Why didn’t Nintendo just have the Wii-mote as an add-on for the cube? Do you think that more powerful hardware is no longer the way forward? You got Sony, Microsoft, Nvidia, Ati, intel all saying more power the better and they’ll continue to drive the market forward like this for generations, all the way till the point we all have holo-decs installed in out homes which is some way off I must admit but not impossible. They’ll continue to put in all this money and resources as long there is a market for it.
But all this is on top of good gameplay, these developers are not just making a pretty game but adding those gfx at what they believe on potentially great gameplay. They’re also trying to use the powerful hardware to add more gameplay
I am with you that I would prefer to play a good game over a mediocre game with awesome gfx but how many times do we see a mediocre game with awesome gfx? Good gfx yes but its usually awesome gfx comes with good gameplay. I don’t think I’ve seen a review score that says 9/10 for gfx and 6/10 for gameplay for the same game. You chose the only answer, gameplay with good gfx over just gameplay and that’s my point. Everyone sees it like this; people generally chose the version with the better gfx. There has been a few ports of 360 games to PS3 where the PS3 version has lacked a little in gfx but even with the added content, features or gameplay, gamers with both systems chose to buy the 360 version, it’s just the way people are. That minor difference in visual quality made a huge difference in which version to choose. People all over the world are slowly buying into the HD market and are demanding more content all the time. Black + white TV is a huge difference from a visual experience stand point over a colour TV yet I bet due to cost it took time before people got their first colour TV. Its the same with HD, its not that nobody want it, its just costly and it will take time before they replace their standard TV for a HD one. And in time we all will have HD sets watching HD programs and movies. And it is hard to go back, try setting you monitor resolution to 800×600, you’ll soon go back to your highest again, lol.
So with the PS3 and 360 your going to be seeing good gameplay with awesome gfx just like you said you prefer because everyone does over just gameplay. What the Wii has to do is convince everyone that the gameplay is above anything else out there but I don’t think it has done this. Your seeing many ports to the Wii from 360 that the Wii-mote only adds gimmicky elements and same with ports form PS2 not adding any must have features to it. (Although the control for Scarface on the Wii has it spot on probably making it the better version) The games have to be built from the ground up and utilise the Wii and this is happening but the games are more family fun party games. The big AAA titles for Wii can be done using a standard cube controller.
I must add that Mario Galaxy is the one game that shows the true potential of the Wii’s power although miles from what PS3 and 360 are doing. Mario Galaxy from when it was first seen became the most anticipated title for the Wii for many people and this is before they really know if the gameplay is any good. It was the gfx that did it, seeing that Mario Galaxy had the best gfx for the Wii so far has for many Wii fans become their favourite game. Its funny that RE4 had this same impact and you say gfx don’t make a winner? They surely help though.
Well, I was going to point out the Wii mote, but you noted it towards the end of your post. Developers dont flock to the console with the most horsepower. They flock to the console which has the most possibilities (and money making abilities), and possibilities are more than just graphics. For example, motion sensors, rumble, online play, cameras, the fact that the console must be popular enough to sell the game (genesis anyone?), controls, price, ect. The list is very long. I do realize that graphics can be important in some aspects, such as horror games which wouldn’t be scary if things looked cartoonish all the time. But, I think it is a much smaller part that what you make it out to be. The GameCube version of Zelda could perhaps have been made better on the PS3, but the Wii could not, since the PS3 doesn’t have a Wii mote. You’d be giving up playability for graphics, which we both seem to agree won’t work.
The PS3 is the strongest console in terms of graphics, but it really isn’t such a big leap from the Xbox 360. Had they both had the exact same games, and same price, I would have gotten a PS3, but this is clearly not the case, and doubtfully it ever will be. PS3 aims for more hardcore gamers who are willing to pay more, and won’t sell as many consoles as it’s rivals, which usually ends up with fewer games (not that it won’t get any, but, like the N64 and PS, popularity does decide in the end).
It usually isn’t the developers who pick the console that the public will have to buy, I’d say it was the other way around, with the public forcing the developers to develop to the console of their choice.
Anyways, as for old games and they playability, I’ll agree that you won’t spend as much time on old games, but, for a different reason. Old games tend to be shorter, not less fun. I may be playing RE4 for some months, and rockman 2 for some days, but, if we take the snapshot of me playing in one exact minute, then I think I’d be having equally fun.
We are seeing that we’re totally different type of gamers. You say that you may be playing RE4 for some months. I had it over a year ago and I played through to the end once and that was it, back to the store for a trade. I’ve always done it like this never playing a game through twice and I’ve had hundreds of games through the last decade. It’s not like a movie for me where you can watch the movie again; it’s only around 2hrs long. Play a game for the second time and it’s not as good; it’s lost its appeal. I’ve seen it done that and don’t really want to do it again. I’m always after the next game. I’ve recently stopped buying my games and just renting them out using a monthly subscription. So when I’ve completed it or just got bored I send it pack through the post, its great.
Playing the cube version of Zelda over the Wii version and I don’t think you’ll be missing out. You’ll get to see and do all the same things, and see the same story develop in the cube version. The Wii version is just giving you another method to cast your rod and a different aim method. I bet the cube version has better camera controls as the left stick would give you full control over the camera. So in terms of gameplay improvements I don’t see any. Using the Wii-mote on Zelda and you get the same output on screen as with using a cube controller, you’re just using a different input. Give us the games where you see a different output too your actions and then we’re talking.
At the point, judging from the crop of games that are available, the PS3 hasn’t shown us better gfx than the 360. In its early stage the PS3 gfx has matched it with some of its games. Motorstorm probably the only one that’s above the rest. From what I’m seeing coming this year, there is a leap in gfx over the 360 but it’s not huge like you say. It’s going to take some time like with PS2 and PS1 (we’re starting to see it with PSP) give it another 2 years and the games will make this years look crap, well that’s the theory anyway.
Your right it is the hardcore mainly buying the PS3. There will be many more Playstation fans that have yet to pick up a PS3. Many will be waiting for this holidays and the majority I would say are waiting for a price drop of say $100 in US, 100EUR or £75 in UK. The majority of PS2 owners are casualers and didn’t buy into the PS2 until later in the console life. This could have been down to a lower price or much more games. Also the PS2 popularity could have been the main benefactor to encourage more PS2’s or it could have been down to the DVD player. The same thing is possible with the Wii being popular but I don’t think it will ever be on the same scale as PS2.
The PS3 will have a slower start than PS2 to reach the popularity stage. But a price drop is inevitable and a possibility that consumers will see the true value of owning a PS3 with built in blu-ray player. Because blu-ray is favourite to become the next format and it’s only a matter of time that the mainstream will want one and PS3 is a good option over the other players just like PS2 was for a DVD player. And this time round the blu-ray player is a good one rather than the poor DVD player in the PS2 which Phil Harrison finally admitted too. And at that point of the blu-ray generation there would be so much more great games available. The PS3 isn’t there now because it’s been built to be future proof as with the other consoles they have not. The Wii is very much the now, it is hard to predict if its still has the same impact in a few years.
Until a few years have past we can see where all 3 consoles are going, now that we got past the fanbase. 360 got to it 10 million and has completely slowed down, the total hardcore fanbase all must own a 360 now as there is nothing on xbox holding them back. As the casualer bought the PS2’s in the last gen (and I can remember how the Nintendo bashers would bash the PS2 for being a casual console, tune changed again) I would say that the Nintendo faithful was the ones who bought a cube and as the cube reached 20 million, could it possibly mean there are 20 million Nintendo fans out there? Without a doubt the Wii will reach 20 million, it’s once we’ve got the fanbase out of the way and see how far it can go then, same with the others.
Even with the PSP it can eventually reach high numbers. The last I read recently the sale of DS and PSP were at 40 million and 25 million respectfully. So the PSP counts for 38% of the sales, just more than a third isn’t bad considering it had a higher price and had too many ports of PS2 and sequels. There are a few games out now and coming that make the PSP worth buying for and people are still buying it, and the recent price drops has spurred sales some more. The PSP will hit that magic 99 price tag and the PSP will see its best year in sales. The DS will no doubt reach 75 million mark where I think that was the GBA total sales and I think PSP can reach 50 million. There is a good chance that in the end the PSP can have 45% of the market which is a good market share. Nintendo once had 99% of the handheld market. This can possibly be the same numbers for the Wii and PS3 in 4 years (not counting 360 in the total sales) but the PS3 will carry on for another 5.
i cant *believe* how much time you guys are spending on this debate. the wii wins because it has a magic controller. end of story.
sony are evil rip-off merchants. if they made the new zelda (not that i finished your geeky rant, yo) then it would just have ended up turning into GTA 16 somehow. or fifa 2082. no imagination.
i dont trust sony, and most people dont. they dont make real games, they just regurgitate the same old crap year after year.
i dont care about graphics and realism. i want to have fun. therefore, if it plays well AND looks nice, then its a bonus. if i wanted amazing graphics then i would go watch a dvd.
between mariogalaxy, metroid, smash bros AND halo 3, theres no more room for sony. they should stick to making car stereos.
Johnny,
You obviously live in a different Universe?
“they just regurgitate the same old crap year after year”
But that’s where you are wrong, games on a SOny platform are games you would play if there were on a Nintendo platform instead and never made it to a PS. Its just that you got Nintendo shit in your eyes and can’t see behond them. And if there is to be a FIFa 2082 it will be on every console including the one you stick you dick in. And in the year 2082 which you most likely be dead, if we are to see FIFA 2082 what would you think that would be like? most likely feel you are really there inside the stadium with everyone singing you name no doubt.
Its nice to see your belief that a Sony console will be around in 2082.
first and foremost, fifa is an awful game. i thought everyone realised this. maybe they should keep coming out with sequels. they are bound to get it right at one point. anyone who knows whats what plays pro evo.
secondly, i cant think of any ps3 games worth getting excited about? in MY universe, sony have been outstripped by both nintendo AND microsoft in terms of sales since launch. ppl dont want to spend $599 on a trumped up PC with crappy repitative games and no original ideas, butthead!
Hello everyone, your all so quick to judge its early days for the ps3, go and check out the eye toy for the ps3 there is videos on youtube.com its gonna blow away the wiimote. think too the future people, right bye bye im gonna watch a blue-ray film. mwah
PS3 is not for the poor massess. It’s for the aging gamers (25-35) that have awesome jobs and can pay for their gadgets. Like me.
Wii is great for the lil’ kids who still have to nag their parents.
I must admit there was one in this afterparty and we had a ball bowling. We made asses out of ourselves and all was good.
But understand who is the audience, kids and teens -> Wii. Adult gamers, PS3. No taste smacktards, 360. There it is, unbiased and true journalism.
EVERYONE WHO SAYS THEY LIKE SONY IS A *LIAR* AND I HATE CHOO.
i dont think my age comes into it. what is it about ps3 that makes it exclusively for middle-aged guys? the price? the amount of 1st person shooters? i agree nintendo is probably more suitable for kids, but that doesn’t mean its exclusive… resi 4 is definately not a kids game (its an amazing game, actually)
so ;p
Anyone that beleives the PS3 is clearly the best and only console for them is clearly following Sony and is a fan boy. I would have never thought I would have wanted another console outside of my Wii, but Microsoft is supplying some of the best games that I wouldn’t see on my Wii. With all the talk about costs and multiplatform, I don’t see any exclusives on the PS3 that won’t make it to another console in some form.
Sure I won’t see Lair or Heavenly Sword, but I can’t see spending $500+ just for two games either. There is talk once again from Konami about MGS going multiplatform due to development costs. Personally, I think Sony bit off more than they can handle this generation but there is still a ways to go before a winner is declared and one may not be.
For now, I will stick with my Wii60 (Wii and 360) as it offers the best gaming experience right now. Also, Wii is not a kiddy machine considering the releases of Godfather, Scareface, Resident Evil 4, Manhunt 2 on its way, and many other great games that do not fall into the kiddy realm.